Music in the Temples of Solomon and Herod.

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Praise God on this day of Thanksgiving. My faith community is Eastern Orthodoxy, but I wanted to ask you all, because I thought you might have resources in the traditional Liturgy of the Jews. Question: does anyone have any positive (solidly ascertainable) information concerning the music appropriated to the Psalms and contingent liturgical worship? Please advise as to what i can consult with reference to the oldest music of the Great Temples of Solomon and Herod. Be blessed! Robb
 

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Suzanne Haïk-Vantoura was a music theorist and studied the cantillation marks in the Hebrew Bible. Her hypothesis of deciphering that system made for some very impressive interpretation of what the music sounded like originally.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzanne_Haïk-Vantoura

I now believe recordings of that music may not only be copyrighted but also hard to find.
 
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I appreciate your comments. I might speculate that the secretive Jewish masters know a bit, concerning the music, but as you suggest, it remains unrevealed to such as are not properly prepared in the tradition. Considering the dominance of anti-semitism in many places, secrecy is probably justified. If anything is uncovered and crosses your path, I should like to see it. Kindest regards! Robb
 
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I appreciate your comments. I might speculate that the secretive Jewish masters know a bit, concerning the music, but as you suggest, it remains unrevealed to such as are not properly prepared in the tradition. Considering the dominance of anti-semitism in many places, secrecy is probably justified. If anything is uncovered and crosses your path, I should like to see it. Kindest regards! Robb
I had a friend who was an accomplished musician, in order to get the sheet music he wanted, it was required of him to buy it. Absolutely zero speculation about that.

You'll find information about her work on Amazon, search for "The Music of the Bible Revealed: The Deciphering of a Millenary Notation" It has some helpful reviews about her work.
 
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I had a friend who was an accomplished musician, in order to get the sheet music he wanted, it was required of him to buy it. Absolutely zero speculation about that.

You'll find information about her work on Amazon, search for "The Music of the Bible Revealed: The Deciphering of a Millenary Notation" It has some helpful reviews about her work.

<<>>. This information is extremely kindly received, and I thank you so very much. My family has some musical talent, and we have Christian clergy is many generations. Howbeit the Bible remains a vast mystery. I like to see what the Bible approves of, in every realm, such as art and science. The Bible standards are the foundation of health of spirit, mind, body, society etc. The law of the Lord is sweeter than honeycomb. My very kindest regards! Please send anything you feel inclined to send, this is very important!! Robb
 
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Praise God on this day of Thanksgiving. My faith community is Eastern Orthodoxy, but I wanted to ask you all, because I thought you might have resources in the traditional Liturgy of the Jews. Question: does anyone have any positive (solidly ascertainable) information concerning the music appropriated to the Psalms and contingent liturgical worship? Please advise as to what i can consult with reference to the oldest music of the Great Temples of Solomon and Herod. Be blessed! Robb

Sergeiyes,

I might comment here- the liturgy of the Church to which you belong has some rather striking similarities to traditional Jewish liturgy especially in regards to chant and instruments. When I became a Christian years ago I noticed after a visit that the Orthodox Church had a similar approach to hymnody, prayer and chant to the Orthodox Jewish liturgy. I personally believe that the Oriental Orthodox are very close to the ancient Jewish practices, and I know there is some interesting historical and archaeological links between the two that would suggest the origin of the similarities.

I would also suggest that there are very clear traces of Jewish chant also in the Western Church's liturgy.

As an aside, I have only been to a Reform Jewish liturgy once in my life- and it reminded me of a Western "low church" setting- even in the use of an organ!
 
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I heard, once upon a time, some hymns from the Samaritans. By accident, I heard Psalm 114 <<
was listening around this time of year, long ago, on the radio, and someone commented that the ancient Latin Rite hymn , "Veni, Veni, Emmanuel" contained Jewish elements in the tune employed: <<http://www.hymnary.org/tune/veni_emmanuel_chant>>. The essential movement of the Psalm 114, as I present it here, is recognizably related to the Veni Veni chant. Where there is smoke, possibly some warm coals remain. The first Apostles were Jews, and before the political distress of Israel, such as revolts and oppression, and diaspora, and under the leadership of Apostle James the Great, it is natural that much Jewish Liturgy was utilized--and why not? Christianity is not some foreign sect like Taoism, it retains vast strata of Jewish material, which is reformed by each of the great branches such as Eastern Orthodox Greek Catholic, Latin Roman Catholic, Luther et al Protestants, etc. So they all read the Old Testament, the Eastern Orthodox retain the Jewish Septuagint, and read the Greek New Testament which is intertextual with the Septuagint. Jerome's Vulgate is based on a deeply learned Jerome , who delved into the Septuagint and the Old Latin Translation. It may be that a lot osmosed through from the Jews.
 
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