BLM protester disrupts Trump rally, gets roughed up and thrown out

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Chances are the story of Jesus overturning the tables in the Temple wasn't a literal historical event in the first place. He would have been beaten and arrested right then. The Gospels don't even agree on when the event took place (unless maybe he did it twice). John has him do it earlier on in his ministry, on the first of three passover mentioned in the Gospels, whereas the synoptics have him doing it days before his crucifixion.

People would often include non historical events in hagiographical writtings. The purpose being to edify, encode allegorical or spiritual teachings, etc.. Early church Fathers like Origen explained that this was the case with the Bible (ie not all stories are literal historical.)
 
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No, it's because he's represents to the establishment.

The networks are beholden to their respective financial backers. MSNBC aligns quite closely with the establishment Democrats and Fox aligns quite closely with the establishment Republicans. CNN leans Democrat and is pro-establishment.

Bernie draws large crowds in person, and would get ratings if he was given air time, but none of the major media networks support non-establishment candidates.

I am not sure Trump is an establishment candidate and he certainly gets a lot of coverage.
 
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They interrupt racists like Trump who falsely spread misinformation like 81% of the whites being murdered by blacks.

...and Trump's supporters interrupted them back. Seems fair to me.
 
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I am not sure Trump is an establishment candidate and he certainly gets a lot of coverage.

I don't think Trump represent a dramatic shift from the establishment in the same way Bernie does. I don't believe for a minute that he's trying to get the money out of politics/campaign reform which has been a major plank in Bernie's campaign.

Bernie speaks the truth about some of our political problems. The Republican "non-establishment" candidates tow the line when it comes to talking about those problems. They support the military-industrial complex, they support Wall Street, etc. They support big money interests, whereas Bernie opposes them.
 
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Our Lord would have some choice words for both sides... but this idea that He'd support the abortion party is absurd. And slightly offensive. The Christian Left really needs to get off the high horse.

Your mind's wandering Gilbert. First, there is no such thing as the Abortion Party in American politics. Second, you have no idea if God would support particular abortions. The bible says sometimes he is pro abortion.
 
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You called Trump and, by extension, racists. People have been saying that about him from the get-go. It hasn't fazed his campaign. It's a shame term that has lost all stigma because everything and everyone is apparently racist and Trump has tapped into the widespread aggravation people have. .

Wrong. Trump has a history of racism. His leadership of the birther movement clearly demonstrates that. There are other incidents as well.

You can keep denying facts, but you will still be wrong.
 
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First off. In the Matthew verse, where it suggests he DROVE them off, it does not indicate he fashioned a whip. He fashioned a whip ONLY in the John verse where he clearly indicates that he used it on animals. Read the verse again "all... both sheep and cattle". Also, it CLEARLY states what he did do to the money lenders.
Question: "How many times did Jesus cleanse the temple? Why did He cleanse the temple?"

Answer:
Jesus cleansed the temple of the money-changers and sellers of merchandise because of His disgust at what they had made of God’s house of prayer and His zeal to purify it from the abuse of ungodly men. Judea was under the rule of the Romans, and the money in current use was Roman coin. However, the Jewish law required that every man should pay a tribute to the service of the sanctuary of “half a shekel” (Exodus 30:11–16), a Jewish coin. It became, therefore, a matter of convenience to have a place where the Roman coin could be exchanged for the Jewish half shekel. The money-changers provided this convenience but would demand a small sum for the exchange. Because so many thousands of people came up to the great feasts, changing money was a very profitable business and one that resulted in fraud and oppression of the poor.

Also, according to the Law, two doves or pigeons were required to be offered in sacrifice (Leviticus 14:22; Luke 2:24). Yet it was difficult to bring them from the distant parts of Judea, so a lucrative business selling the birds sprang up, with the sellers gouging the faithful by charging exorbitant prices. There were other merchants selling cattle and sheep for the temple sacrifices as well. Because of these sellers who preyed on the poor and because of His passion for the purity of His Father’s house, Jesus was filled with righteous indignation. As He overturned the tables of the money-changers, He condemned them for having turned God’s house of prayer into “a den of thieves” (Matthew 21:13). As He did so, His disciples remembered Psalm 69:9, “Zeal for your house consumes me, and the insults of those who insult you fall on me.”

Jesus’ first cleansing of the temple is described in John 2:11–12 as having occurred just after Jesus’ first miracle, the turning of water into wine at the wedding in Cana. John makes it clear that it was “after this” that He went to Capernaum, where He “stayed for a few days.” Then in the next verse (verse 13), John tells us that the “Passover of the Jews was at hand” (NKJV). These verses trace Jesus’ movements over a short period of time from Cana in Galilee to Capernaum and eventually to Jerusalem for the Passover. This is the first of the two times Jesus cleansed the temple. The Synoptic Gospels do not record the temple cleansing mentioned in John 2, instead only recording the temple cleansing that occurred during Passion Week.

The second cleansing of the temple occurred just after Jesus’ triumphal entry into Jerusalem the last week of His life. This second cleansing is recorded in Matthew, Mark, and Luke but not in John. There are differences in the two events, aside from their being nearly three years apart. In the first cleansing, temple officials confronted Jesus immediately (John 2:18), whereas in the second cleansing, the chief priests and scribes confronted Him the following day (Matthew 21:17–23). In the first event, Jesus made a whip of cords with which to drive out the sellers, but there is no mention of a whip in the second cleansing. So there are two recorded occasions when Jesus cleansed the temple—the first time at the beginning of His public ministry, and the second time just after His triumphal entry into Jerusalem shortly before He was crucified.
 
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The second cleansing of the temple occurred just after Jesus’ triumphal entry into Jerusalem the last week of His life. This second cleansing is recorded in Matthew, Mark, and Luke but not in John. There are differences in the two events, aside from their being nearly three years apart. In the first cleansing, temple officials confronted Jesus immediately (John 2:18), whereas in the second cleansing, the chief priests and scribes confronted Him the following day (Matthew 21:17–23). In the first event, Jesus made a whip of cords with which to drive out the sellers, but there is no mention of a whip in the second cleansing. So there are two recorded occasions when Jesus cleansed the temple—the first time at the beginning of His public ministry, and the second time just after His triumphal entry into Jerusalem shortly before He was crucified.
Again, in the John verse, it indicates that the whip was used to drive them out; "both sheep and cattle".
The term drive does not, in itself, imply violence upon a person.
 
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Again, in the John verse, it indicates that the whip was used to drive them out; "both sheep and cattle".
The term drive does not, in itself, imply violence upon a person.
You can choose to ignore that Jesus drove ALL out with the whip.
Jesus was God. It amazes me how many people refuse to recognize that.
 
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Well, he did invade us and burn down our homes, colleges, libraries, etc.

Stopped that "secession" nonsense pretty darn quick, though.
 
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There is no such thing as an "abortion party." In fact abortions go down when other forms of birth control are encouraged and social services are adequate to allow women to keep their babies.

There certainly isn't. The fact is both the GOP and the Democrats have both people who are against abortion and those who are for it. If all Republicans were against abortion, then they could pass a law against it when they have a majority. The fact is, they can't get that majority necessary because they can't get enough support within their own party. I remember that in the 70's and 80's, there was usually a fight at the Republican Convention about whether there should even be a pro-life plank in the party platform. By the same token, the Democrats have a pro-life wing (Democrats for Life) and managed to get several candidates elected on state and national level last year (I don't know what happened in this year's election).

I have to admit that I love to think about what would happen if the Democrats for Life got control of the Democratic Party and the pro-choice wing of the GOP got control of the Republican Party and the Democrats were then the pro-life party. I wonder if all the pro-life Conservatives would then have to vote for the Democrats.
 
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Chances are the story of Jesus overturning the tables in the Temple wasn't a literal historical event in the first place. He would have been beaten and arrested right then. The Gospels don't even agree on when the event took place (unless maybe he did it twice). John has him do it earlier on in his ministry, on the first of three passover mentioned in the Gospels, whereas the synoptics have him doing it days before his crucifixion.0/QUOTE]

People would often include non historical events in hagiographical writtings. The purpose being to edify, encode allegorical or spiritual teachings, etc.. Early church Fathers like Origen explained that this was the case with the Bible (ie not all stories are literal historical.)

But don't you think the fact this story is found in all four gospels lends something to its credibility. As for John's Gospel placing it at a different time, I'm sure you realize that the this gospel is the least reliable when it comes to chronology. Besides, Jesus' being arrested soon after this incident makes a lot of sense.
 
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I have to admit that I love to think about what would happen if the Democrats for Life got control of the Democratic Party and the pro-choice wing of the GOP got control of the Republican Party and the Democrats were then the pro-life party. I wonder if all the pro-life Conservatives would then have to vote for the Democrats.

Yet the fact remains that there are far fewer abortions when the Democrats are in power because people have more choices. Abortions peaked during the Reagan Administration. It went down a bit under Clinton, stalled out under the Bush Administration. There have been 13% fewer abortions under the Obama Administration. What too few Republicans understand is that no one wants to have an abortion. Given better options, they will take them.
 
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You called Trump and, by extension, racists. People have been saying that about him from the get-go.

And he proved it when he tweeted that Neo-Nazi chart falsely stating that 81% of murders of white people in this country were done by African-Americans.

It hasn't fazed his campaign.

Which certainly indicates how many racists there still are in this country.
 
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Then the Army moved on to conquer the West. (Progressives don't exult in that though).

Except the Mexican-American War proceeded the Civil War. Southerners mostly participated in that war because they wanted to extend slavery there. They felt betrayed when that didn't happen and it was one of the major causes which led to the Civil War.
 
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