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Archaeopteryx

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I am a Christian apologist and that is one of my roles here.

Is that a bad thing? If so, why?
First, as you already know, apologetics is not permitted here, as per the forum's Statement of Purpose. Second, the thread title should be changed to reflect your participation as an apologist.
 
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First, as you already know, apologetics is not permitted here, as per the forum's Statement of Purpose. Second, the thread title should be changed to reflect your participation as an apologist.

First, if you think I have broken any rule, notify the proper person and let them make a decision.

Second, do not accuse me of ignoring you or being evasive if you ask me a question which the rules do not allow for me to answer.

Fair enough?
 
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First, if you think I have broken any rule, notify the proper person and let them make a decision.

Second, do not accuse me of ignoring you or being evasive if you ask me a question which the rules do not allow for me to answer.

Fair enough?
To the best of my understanding, the rules allow you to answer the questions I have posed, so you cannot rely on that as an excuse.

Strict enforcement of the rules would severely limit your apologetic activities, which would certainly be inconvenient for you.
 
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To the best of my understanding, the rules allow you to answer the questions I have posed, so you cannot rely on that as an excuse.

Strict adherence to the rules would indeed limit your apologetic activities, which would certainly be inconvenient for an apologist.

Then I want to adhere to the rules strictly. Please inform me when I fail to do so.
 
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I don't know that eyewitness accounts are deeply flawed.

Well modern research has consistently shown this over and over again. The reasons why are various...but well documented. The science is there if you're interested...if it's too much work for you, I'll even link you some materials.

It's unfortunate that a lot of the time, in researching history, eyewitness accounts are all we have. It's even less fortunate when we don't even have eyewitness accounts...such as in the case of Jesus. That's why I was asking if there was anything else you'd consider "good evidence"?
 
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Well modern research has consistently shown this over and over again. The reasons why are various...but well documented. The science is there if you're interested...if it's too much work for you, I'll even link you some materials.

It's unfortunate that a lot of the time, in researching history, eyewitness accounts are all we have. It's even less fortunate when we don't even have eyewitness accounts...such as in the case of Jesus. That's why I was asking if there was anything else you'd consider "good evidence"?
Archaeopteryx our forum monitor will have to approve that this post is not apologetic in nature before I respond to it. Then i will have to submit my response to him for review before he authorizes me to post it. I do not want to break any rules.

So maybe one day you will receive my reply.
 
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Archaeopteryx our forum monitor will have to approve that this post is not apologetic in nature before I respond to it. Then i will have to submit my response to him for review before he authorizes me to post it. I do not want to break any rules.

So maybe one day you will receive my reply.
Is that your new excuse for evading questions?
 
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I think we all set our own standard when it comes down to it.

What is generally accepted in practices where discovering truth is priority is a standard that happens to be generally accepted and it definitely is not your standard or criteria for as I said, it would eliminate much of what is considered historical by historians.

Cool.
 
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Because He accepts us when we do what we know is right, so The Word of God does not condemn us.

I don't see how that is proof of anything, except that is what you believe.

The word "proof", is a pretty strong word, which requires a good deal of support, not just subjective interpretions.
 
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You didn't answer this question:

Is this effectively saying that you will make no effort to objectively verify the truth of statements found in the bible, because they are found in the bible?

If you use "yes" and "no" when it is appropriate, then it is easy for me to understand and I will accept it. This question requires only yes or no, and I did ask for some explanation why. Again though, you aren't answering for the purpose of me gaining the information I am asking for, you are answering to make your own point and ignoring my request for information. That really is rude.

I have made great effort to analyze the veracity of the claims in the NT specifically, as I have explained many times on these threads. In fact, this effort, is one of the reasons I am no longer a Christian.

So, it is clear, you either have not paid attention to my posts or you are asking the wrong question, because I have addressed the question numerous times, with explaining how I went about determining the credibility of NT claims.
 
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You say legal procedures are designed to find the truth, but that the procedure prevents the consideration of a written testimony from a person if they are not available for cross-examination. Yet, if a person has deceased since their written testimony was made, and their testimony is useful for finding the truth, and especially if that testimony is crucial for finding the truth, then the procedure has actually prevented the truth from being considered and it is then not true to say that the procedure is designed to find the truth.

An affidavit would be considered by a court of law, but would not carry the same weight as an eye witness appearing in person and being subjected to cross examination.

You do realize, some eye witnesses are simply wrong in what they claim they saw and some simply lie. Or, is this not a possibility to you?
 
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Clearly, you have not followed along in this thread, and seen what Chrillman has posted.

He essentially said, no one could teach him anything about logic, so I made an obvious statement based on Chrillman's posts, that anyone trying to help him with logical thinking, had the chips stacked against them.
 
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