The law of non contradiction proves the Bible to be true.

SkyWriting said:

Not a good idea. WHO is supposed to get all that?

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Hi,

What is not a good idea, using begets and begats as tools to date events Biblically. If so, yes. That is what I found out.

What do you mean, Who is supposed to get all that? Do you mean who is supposed to understand all of that? Do you mean I am asking to much? Please what do you mean?

LOVE,

joshua 1 9 said:

Yes more then one author in the Bible talks about the Eyes of the Lord: "For the eyes of the LORD range throughout the earth to strengthen those whose hearts are fully committed to him."

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Any strong conviction can make a person "stronger" that is, more committed to their actions. A good example of this is a conviction about Civil Rights, which made individuals such as Martin Luther King Jr. and his followers willing to lay down their lives for the sake of equality. In case you wanted to bring your religion into Mr. King's conviction, Malcolm X is another example, and if I recall correctly, he was Muslim.

PsychoSarah said:

Any strong conviction can make a person "stronger" that is, more committed to their actions. A good example of this is a conviction about Civil Rights, which made individuals such as Martin Luther King Jr. and his followers willing to lay down their lives for the sake of equality. In case you wanted to bring your religion into Mr. King's conviction, Malcolm X is another example, and if I recall correctly, he was Muslim.

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Hi,

Yes, but would you not like to know if you could, if God really did those things or not?

I did. I looked. I did not have a clue, even after looking. One day one of them, Jews for Christ, at least that is what he called himself, says to me after I picked apart a miracle or two of his, showing him how that could be explained by natural phenomenon also, he said: "I hope someday something happens to you, to make you certain."

He said it nicely. I had a research project a private one going on the subject of God's reality or not, and actually one on if I could find one true atheist by my definition of atheism.

Well something did happen in about the year 2000. I was certain.

LOVE,

katerinah1947 said:

Hi,

Yes, but would you not like to know if you could, if God really did those things or not?

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Does the 7 years I have spent as a seeker of faith (which is ongoing) answer that question? I am more curious as to if deities exist than specific actions on their part.

katerinah1947 said:

I did. I looked. I did not have a clue, even after looking. One day one of them, Jews for Christ, at least that is what he called himself, says to me after I picked apart a miracle or two of his, showing him how that could be explained by natural phenomenon also, he said: "I hope someday something happens to you, to make you certain."

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I bet he was really hoping you would also stop poking holes in what he called miracles. There are miracles I would buy into, but none that I have been exposed to thus far qualify. I have heard extraordinary claims by people on this site that would have swayed me, had they actually presented evidence that the events they described were not works of fiction.

katerinah1947 said:

He said it nicely. I had a research project a private one going on the subject of God's reality or not, and actually one on if I could find one true atheist by my definition of atheism.

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I would have to know how you define atheist, but personal definitions are prone to error. I don't believe deities exist. I am an atheist. I don't feel that I know that for sure or have conclusive evidence on that, thus I am an agnostic atheist. I desire faith and make an effort to acquire it, hence I am an agnostic atheist seeker.

katerinah1947 said:

Well something did happen in about the year 2000. I was certain.

LOVE,

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I bet you are hoping I will ask what that is. I won't. Unless you have pictures, I honestly do not care about any personal miracles you have experienced.

joshua 1 9 said:

I had a little spot of skin cancer once and the doctor burned it off. Then he told me to keep an eye on it and if it comes back let him know. But there was an 85% chance that it was gone. I believe that one third of the people will be saved. So we have to get ourselves into a category that a third of the people are able to get into. So to pray my way into a group of people that 85% of the people are in, seems easy by comparison.

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Christianity accounts for about a third of the population, not 85%. Additionally, that is fallacy, it is more than possible for a majority to be incorrect. Hence why your doctor said to keep an eye on that spot, rather than assume you were in the safe 85%. 15% might not seem very high, but statistically that would make remission very much a possibility that isn't an outlier.

joshua 1 9 said:

When you look at miracles you look at percentages. What about when Peter walked on the water. Peter is the only person other then Jesus that I know of that has walked on water. So the odds of someone that is able to repeat that miracles is very small. Peter clearly had to have something going on that other people do not have. Perhaps that is why God used Him on the day of Pentecost when the Holy Spirit was poured out and the Church age began.

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Actually, I think some magicians, such as Criss Angel, have done walking on water tricks, and didn't one guy convince a crowd that the Statue of Liberty disappeared? That is way more impressive than walking on water, and we know that was an illusion. Even if Jesus did legitimately walk on water, it wouldn't prove he was divine. In fact, it could have just as well been an indication that he was a witch. Malevolent magic is also in the bible. A true miracle wouldn't prove that deities exist; they would be evidence for magic though.

joshua 1 9 said:

Doctors have a theory that they call spontaneous remission. It usually only happens about 3% of the time. If you have a situation where most people die still every now and then someone makes it and lives and recovers. It is very rare but it happens. Look at Steven Hawkings for example. He really should not be alive but he is. He says it is his work that keeps him going. Still he is in a category that very few people are in.

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Stephen Hawking has the form of ALS that begins early but progresses slowly. It is the rarer form of the disease, but he is hardly an exception or a miracle. Plus, it would be more miraculous for him to never get sick to begin with, rather than not get as sick as most associated with ALS. Yes, there is more than one variant of the disease, many diseases are like that.

Noticing the one survivor and calling it a miracle results in ignoring the tragedy that apparently made it possible for there to only be one survivor. Tons of people dying while one lives is no more a miracle than all except one person surviving.

joshua 1 9 said:

I have seen angels but not in the physical they are in the spiritual. The best I could explain it would be like the steam from a radiator. Only it is an energy I see and I can see about how big they are. One girl her angel was pretty big. At least 12 feet tall. Bigger then the room we were in. That is what she needed because of the work she was doing.

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Hi,

Can you concur? One day, I worried. A boy was traumatized. Something I said traumatized him. Worried and afraid I prayed. My prayers came back in my direction. I saw them drop. Shards white shards. They fell on the East Coast. The Boy was from over seas. I am out West.

Surprised and a bit upset by something I was to learn about, this was my feelings and emotions: "Who can I, not pray for." I was also terribly frightened for this boy. He had been told lies all of his life about something. So, I went over there without even thinking. I expected to see his Guardian Angel. I could see the angel from here, in that spirit form and more. His heart leads to God. I expected to see that.

As I arrived, I only saw a heart in the shape of a Pomegranate. I talked to the heart. I went around that heart. I told the boy what I thought. The heart was closed to the world. I had no idea if it listened or not.

I was stumped, but it worked. The boy felt better and told me of a flash-back. That is all that happened.

As the months passed, slowly the PTSD was handled. The mystical part was also handled by the boy, then one day it was time for me to learn. I learned.

Angels can appear like people, and they can appear like spirits. I have to my knowledge never encountered on that looked like a human.

Z******, Michael, and others I have dealt with. They are all in Spirit mode as you call it. Each has a shape and a personality, but. But, I am told by a boy, the shape is for the circumstance at hand.

The first time I encountered Michael, well maybe you don't need or want to hear that.

Do you see with your eyes or in some other way. It is with your eyes. What you feel, is what you see. I answered my own question from my experiences similar to yours.

I also say that you probably have a high brain speed.

LOVE,

katerinah1947 said:

Hi,

Can you concur? One day, I worried. A boy was traumatized. Something I said traumatized him. Worried and afraid I prayed. My prayers came back in my direction. I saw them drop. Shards white shards. They fell on the East Coast. The Boy was from over seas. I am out West.

Surprised and a bit upset by something I was to learn about, this was my feelings and emotions: "Who can I, not pray for." I was also terribly frightened for this boy. He had been told lies all of his life about something. So, I went over there without even thinking. I expected to see his Guardian Angel. I could see the angel from here, in that spirit form and more. His heart leads to God. I expected to see that.

As I arrived, I only saw a heart in the shape of a Pomegranate. I talked to the heart. I went around that heart. I told the boy what I thought. The heart was closed to the world. I had no idea if it listened or not.

I was stumped, but it worked. The boy felt better and told me of a flash-back. That is all that happened.

As the months passed, slowly the PTSD was handled. The mystical part was also handled by the boy, then one day it was time for me to learn. I learned.

Angels can appear like people, and they can appear like spirits. I have to my knowledge never encountered on that looked like a human.

Z******, Michael, and others I have dealt with. They are all in Spirit mode as you call it. Each has a shape and a personality, but. But, I am told by a boy, the shape is for the circumstance at hand.

The first time I encountered Michael, well maybe you don't need or want to hear that.

Do you see with your eyes or in some other way. It is with your eyes. What you feel, is what you see. I answered my own question from my experiences similar to yours.

I also say that you probably have a high brain speed.

LOVE,

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-_- people can recover from PTSD, whatever you saw is hardly going to be convincing to someone that isn't already a believer. Also, weird writing pattern makes it sound more like a dream than something that actually happened.

I think the time he really needed that angel was before he was traumatized, to protect him from the mental anguish, don't you think?

joshua 1 9 said:

I do not know about mystics, that is not a term we commonly use. It is rare that I am wrong about something, esp when it is in the future. I think that is my gift. What really surprises me is when I do not see something coming. Obama and Trump are an example of people I never would have predicted. I never would have predicted that Bush jr was going to turn out to be as much of a war hawk as he turned out to be.

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Hi,

I knew of mystics. I was never one. I always said that. I always did. One day I was told by a Professional Psychologist finally what all those types have been saying, that I can no longer say that. She said, it is her business to know, and in my case it is real.

Only, the type of mysticism I have, she says is Medical, whatever that means. For me, other than feeling like I am crazy at times, I don't care.

The mysticism became real heavy after the mystic in my family started her final journey to God. I never ever expected to get upped, and to be one. Before she died, with me all unaware, I am asked to go to a foreign country of all things, with a faith plus call. I didn't go the first time. I asked if I should have, and I wanted the answer in no uncertain terms. The answer in short, came to me exactly that way, and I knew who was asking me to go, but not why yet.

On the second calling, yes. Yes, by my reasoning, it should not have happened. On the second calling I was told why I was to go there. A GIFT, however those letters all white and all energy appeared below my skin, in my chest area, and they were vertical, not horizontal like they are here.

Eventually, I got there, mostly "kicking and screaming" that this is all too much to do. But I did go there and come back. I was a major mystic after that. And it matches what is written about other people like me, with one time episodes with God. Mine lasted for two years, and it is still going on.

I was a major mystic, in January, the second week, after getting my A GIFT. And later I found out, I was in a light ecstatic state for all of those 10 to 12 days there. Everyone noticed but me.

It sounds to me like you are both a mystic, and have high brain speed. Some of your comments are typical in both areas.

Mystics come in two groups in my world, and I could at one time tell always who was who, in the beginning. There are mystics of God, and there are all the other types. You to me sound like a mystic of God, and no other type.

High brain speed, mixed with mysticism is confusing. People with high brain speed actually know things ahead of time, compared to normals. And, oh yes, you are treated like a freak some of the time for that. All of those types are. Usually, if I or others or life, can get those type through college, even though it is extremely harder for them than normals, always they contribute significantly. Professors with that, just the high brain speed, are amazing.

Having mysticism, of the mysticism of God type, will have other effects, more in line with what God always does to those types. Thus all things are done to you, in life, to make you humble and the least in the world views of things. That though is God training you, if that is occurring.

LOVE,

PsychoSarah said:

-_- people can recover from PTSD, whatever you saw is hardly going to be convincing to someone that isn't already a believer. Also, weird writing pattern makes it sound more like a dream than something that actually happened.

I think the time he really needed that angel was before he was traumatized, to protect him from the mental anguish, don't you think?

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Hi,

I work with PTSD types, that the system misses. Most of what I know and use now, I am told is used by and taught by Harvard. Some of what I use, comes from Psychologists and Psychiatrists. Other stuff comes from soldiers of every kind, and women of domestic violence or even verbal abuse, are Soldiers. They have everything in common with all of the military and police and guard types that I have worked with, who have been in active situations. So do by the way, some in support roles, like nurses. You can be traumatized by what you see, not what you are trained to do, or have to do.

PTSD, per se, is manageable. No one gets over what they know is real. None, of those I work with, and neither do I get over PTSD, instead, one old PTSN, Post Traumatic Stress Normalcy person, shares details of what gave them that PTSN, with a younger person in trauma, not a younger person in years.

I have never seen yet, anyone who ever got over PTSD, in my life. If you have fine.

As a theory on having an angel to talk to in trauma, yes that is possible. Yet, that is what the mental guys and even I have to separate some of the time. It is not, always a stress reliever as it typically is found in some people. Some of the time it is real.

LOVE,

katerinah1947 said:

Hi,

I work with PTSD types, that the system misses. Most of what I know and use now, I am told is used by and taught by Harvard. Some of what I use, comes from Psychologists and Psychiatrists. Other stuff comes from soldiers of every kind, and women of domestic violence or even verbal abuse, are Soldiers. They have everything in common with all of the military and police and guard types that I have worked with, who have been in active situations. So do by the way, some in support roles, like nurses. You can be traumatized by what you see, not what you are trained to do, or have to do.

PTSD, per se, is manageable. No one gets over what they know is real. None, of those I work with, and neither do I get over PTSD, instead, one old PTSN, Post Traumatic Stress Normalcy person, shares details of what gave them that PTSN, with a younger person in trauma, not a younger person in years.

I have never seen yet, anyone who ever got over PTSD, in my life. If you have fine.

As a theory on having an angel to talk to in trauma, yes that is possible. Yet, that is what the mental guys and even I have to separate some of the time. It is not, always a stress reliever as it typically is found in some people. Some of the time it is real.

LOVE,

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So the kid didn't recover then, he just managed to deal with the issue and not have it ruin his life? Hardly sounds miraculous to me.

PsychoSarah said:

Does the 7 years I have spent as a seeker of faith (which is ongoing) answer that question? I am more curious as to if deities exist than specific actions on their part.

I bet he was really hoping you would also stop poking holes in what he called miracles. There are miracles I would buy into, but none that I have been exposed to thus far qualify. I have heard extraordinary claims by people on this site that would have swayed me, had they actually presented evidence that the events they described were not works of fiction.

I would have to know how you define atheist, but personal definitions are prone to error. I don't believe deities exist. I am an atheist. I don't feel that I know that for sure or have conclusive evidence on that, thus I am an agnostic atheist. I desire faith and make an effort to acquire it, hence I am an agnostic atheist seeker.

I bet you are hoping I will ask what that is. I won't. Unless you have pictures, I honestly do not care about any personal miracles you have experienced.

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Seven years as a seeker of faith, to me is wonderful. It took me fourty before I got any answer, and I think some people are never given the answers in this life time.

So yes to me, you are wonderful. I love that you would like to know. I do.

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On another thread, in Science something or another, he completely explained his position. I have changed to match that position of his. I am moving to him, in understanding rather than forcing him to come to my position, because of his explanation and therefore my mistake in not knowing something.

I am a mystic, I am called a medical mystic. I have the paperwork to put me outside of legal reach of those who do not understand and wish to call it mental illness, chicanery, or anything else. Yes, I needed that, but I didn't know it. I was given it anyway based on my way of living, which is totally open in all ways.

Anything a person recieves from God comes with a few other things simultaneously, that make what happens to them, only knowable by others by asking that person what it meant. Everyone else, is wrong, even a mystic like me, has to listen to what it meant.

Some time, I get to feel and see what they see. Usually though that is reserved for people really beaten up by others. In one case it was so light, but it matched totally what happened, so the other person was calmed in knowing someone out there, actually knows what happened, in the mystical realm, to them, and with them.

So, evidence to you, is really hard to give you. Normally no one but another mystic, can understand another mystic, as feelings with content are given, my definitions of the words are used, visions with content are given, and there can be material changes such as the lights going out, in full day light, or seeing things in full daylight with everyone looking on. Again, though in those cases, and with a total clearance for me of no Pathologies, it is only the one seeing that knows what is meant by what is seen, as that is normally given also.

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Without being burdened by words defined by others which need explanations to find out just what you said, and that is how someone other than you means those words, I understand your definition for yourself. I hope.
I used a research definition. I get to do that. I was a resercher then. In research much of the time, I am working further out than science is at.

In that particular piece of work, I was trying to find if anyone could tell me that they could say that a god did not exist out there, that is responsible for all of this. And I wanted them to say if they could that to them, there is no possibility that a god exists out there who is responsible for all of this. I finished data collecting on that, in about 10 years. It was that hard for me to find enough people, who could call themselves atheists, the common definition, and were committed and vocal about it, enough for me to talk to.

In those days, I was in a journey to find if a diety existed, just like you are now. I was not then 68, like I am now, nor had I hit 60 yet, when I finally had my answer. It took awhile from start to finish, for that question to be answered.

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No. I was just hoping I would not have to type anymore, and took a short cut. I was not and am not hoping you ask. If you do, I will answer, but no, I was not hoping you would ask.

If that sounds harsh to you like it does to me, then it was the result of 5 controlled experiments, all which gave one unambiguous answer.

LOVE,

PsychoSarah said:

So the kid didn't recover then, he just managed to deal with the issue and not have it ruin his life? Hardly sounds miraculous to me.

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Hi,

My PTSD work, my PTSN work, per se is not miraculous. Seeing the Essence of God, that was Miraculous. Having Jesus Pop inside of me, that was Miraculous, Having all of that submited to a test, with an unknown outcome, and that outcome happening precisely ontime, and precise in content that was Miraculous. Having God, yes God; Having God The Father come, that was Miraculous. Having Him come the next day. That was Miraculous. Having Him come the third day, and then accepting my answer to Him that was miraculous.

The PTSD stuff is normal everyday life. It is just something I do for others. I have had major PTSD, since I was age 11 1/2. Soldiers of every sort, got me through life, as though I had no problems at all. I now give back what those soldiers of every sort gave me.

One of the things I mention to all people with PTSD, is it does not affect really your career, if it is managed well.

I have a long career, only terminated by Idiopathic Hypersomnia, but when I hit 61 1/2 years old, and......

The government pretty quickly figured out, no one gives up my salary, to go on disability after working steadily for 44 years or so, in ever more complex environments. Thus, that PTSD from early youth did not get in my way, and I know lots of others just like me. In fact, one of the most brilliant research minds I have ever met, has PTSD.

LOVE,

PsychoSarah said:

So the kid didn't recover then, he just managed to deal with the issue and not have it ruin his life? Hardly sounds miraculous to me.

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Hi,

No that kid never recovered from all the things that happened to him. I am still working with that boy of 24 or so. His PTSD, is managed, so that is no longer a problem.

It's an ongoing project, with progress.

LOVE,

katerinah1947 said:

Hi,

All the phrases about a subject in The Bible are to be put together, to understand what is being said in total.

LOVE,

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I know that. What makes you think I not know that?

joshua 1 9 said:

There is no contradiction in the Bible. The contradiction is in what you believe because what you believe about the Bible is not true.

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That's not true. What you believe about what I believe about the Bible is untrue.