Animal rights come before religion

Oafman said:

Denmark bans kosher and halal slaughter as minister says ‘animal rights come before religion’

Personally, I'm very much undecided on this. I would rather animals were stunned before being killed, but I do think that what happens in the last ten seconds of an animal's life is almost irrelevant in comparison to how it is treated throughout the rest of its life.

So how do people feel about this? Is this Danish doctrine discerning, or is something rotten in the state of Denmark?!

Do you stand with PETA or with the MUSLIMS?!

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PETA.

Oafman said:

Denmark bans kosher and halal slaughter as minister says ‘animal rights come before religion’

Personally, I'm very much undecided on this. I would rather animals were stunned before being killed, but I do think that what happens in the last ten seconds of an animal's life is almost irrelevant in comparison to how it is treated throughout the rest of its life.

So how do people feel about this? Is this Danish doctrine discerning, or is something rotten in the state of Denmark?!

Do you stand with PETA or with the MUSLIMS?!

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Animals have RIGHTS! They have the RIGHT to be shot in the head with a bolt gun before having their throats slit! The quote should have been “animal welfare comes before religion”. "Animal rights" is supposed to refer to the idea that animals have the right to not be exploited or treated like property. Killing something for its flesh is exploiting it whether it is stunned first or not. I just wanted to point that out because those terms are commonly used interchangeably and it is kind of irritating.

To answer the OP: PETA - I’m ALL FOR banning religious slaughter. Animal welfare is more important than religion. It is time to leave behind these barbaric rituals.

Halal and Kosher are empty rituals. However, they have every right to practice their religion. Animals have no inherent rights, only humans have rights.

Tallguy88 said:

Halal and Kosher are empty rituals.

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Not really. Kosher is just a certification.

Halal OTOH involves invoking "alah" which is the Arabic moon god - not the God of the bible. Therefore it renders the food as being "sacrificed to idols;" which is never a good thing.

Revelation 2:14 But I have a few things against you, because you have there some who hold the teaching of Balaam, who kept teaching Balak to put a stumbling block before the sons of Israel, to eat things sacrificed to idols and to commit acts of immorality.

Oafman said:

Denmark bans kosher and halal slaughter as minister says ‘animal rights come before religion’

Personally, I'm very much undecided on this. I would rather animals were stunned before being killed, but I do think that what happens in the last ten seconds of an animal's life is almost irrelevant in comparison to how it is treated throughout the rest of its life.

So how do people feel about this? Is this Danish doctrine discerning, or is something rotten in the state of Denmark?!

Do you stand with PETA or with the MUSLIMS?!

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"Yes, my dear. You can lay down here, now that you have rights!"

jjchris said:

Also, i think that the animal rights groups are very anti religious. Not only because they totally ignore the biblical statements about animal slaughter. But also because of their aggressive anti farming tactics. And because they value the meat (animals) more than humans, (also very unbiblical)

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I wonder how many animal rights activists are Farmers, and herders of animals, and yes, some of which they slaughter for food... I guess most of them are probably vegetarians but some are not, and how do they justify eating meat, and put animal rights before people, is that like some kind of worship, or Idolize of the animals? Like Hindu Cows...

God Bless!

Oafman said:

That is surely photo shopped!

Unless there's a confused lioness somewhere raising a fawn..

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Whether it's photo-shopped or not isn't my main point, but here's a bit of interesting explication about the 'incident' at Animal Rights Savannah. (Yes, I made up that last little bit. ):

http://www.livescience.com/34279-lioness-baby-antelope-kob.html

Have a great day, Oafman!
2PhiloVoid

There are quite a few videos of this. Some..

2PhiloVoid said:

Whether it's photo-shopped or not isn't my main point, but here's a bit of interesting explication about the 'incident' at Animal Rights Savannah. (Yes, I made up that last little bit. ):

http://www.livescience.com/34279-lioness-baby-antelope-kob.html

Have a great day, Oafman!
2PhiloVoid

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Somewhere I have a picture of our Stewie the dog, Lucky the cat and Ishmael the squirrel all out by the pool. Not too long ago I had a pair of dogs who each raised their own kitten. Strange things sometimes happen regarding different species of animal.

Neogaia777 said:

I wonder how many animal rights activists are Farmers, and herders of animals, and yes, some of which they slaughter for food... I guess most of them are probably vegetarians but some are not, and how do they justify eating meat, and put animal rights before people, is that like some kind of worship, or Idolize of the animals? Like Hindu Cows...

God Bless!

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I would imagine there are plenty of animal welfarists who eat meat, but I think it would be inconsistent for an animal rights supporter to eat animals.
As a vegan myself, I don't idolize them. I just recognize that it is not necessary for me to consume animal products and that animal consumption causes suffering. I don't see any reason therefore to cause unnecessary suffering.

I'm not sure what I believe regarding animal 'rights'. I suppose I should be "for" but I'm not sure how human beings see it. Animals kill other animals for sustenance, and being an animal, why shouldn't I eat meat? Though that's not saying people can choose not to eat meat, as well. It's really on your conscience, I suppose. If you can get by without eating meat, that's fine. But I don't view it as morally superior in any way; I tend to applaud vegetarian or vegan practices when it's a decision made for health or something similar. For instance, my sister's husband is vegan simply because of his Crohn's disease. My sister is healthy, but she has also chosen to share in his diet, perhaps to support him. They both have no issue with me having a burger, however, if I so choose.

Regardless, however, I cannot support PETA due to its sexist ads, even if I did agree with them on other things.

keith99 said:

Somewhere I have a picture of our Stewie the dog, Lucky the cat and Ishmael the squirrel all out by the pool. Not too long ago I had a pair of dogs who each raised their won kitten. Strange things sometimes happen regarding different species of animal.

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It does so much more than that, it shows how love can conquer even the most primitive, base and powerful instincts...

God Bless!

Tallguy88 said:

Halal and Kosher are empty rituals. However, they have every right to practice their religion. Animals have no inherent rights, only humans have rights.

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There are a lot of empty rituals that are practiced by millions of people of many different faiths every week.

Aryeh Jay said:

There are a lot of empty rituals that are practiced by millions of people of many different faiths every week.

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Yeah I used to call that "Church".

Aryeh Jay said:

There are a lot of empty rituals that are practiced by millions of people of many different faiths every week.

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You notice that I did support them though.

Tallguy88 said:

You notice that I did support them though.

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Yes, I did notice that.


I was just pointing out that there a lot of other rituals that may seem meaningless or bizarre to the followers of other faiths.


And prior to “stunning” the cutting of the throat, with or without the religious mumbo jumbo, was the way slaughter houses operated.

Aryeh Jay said:

Yes, I did notice that.


I was just pointing out that there a lot of other rituals that may seem meaningless or bizarre to the followers of other faiths.


And prior to “stunning” the cutting of the throat, with or without the religious mumbo jumbo, was the way slaughter houses operated.

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I agree.

People think they are so much more civilized than their ancestors. Visit a factory farm, then a family farm and tell me which animal had the better life.

grasping the after wind said:

I would prosecute them. Not because cats have rights but because it is a crime to torture cats. Vandalism is also a crime not because buildings have rights though.

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Buildings don't have rights, but the owners of the buildings do.

Are you saying that torturing cats is only a problem when they are the pet of another human?

How about torturing wild cats? Why should that be considered a crime, seeing as how "cats don't have rights"?

Neogaia777 said:

It does so much more than that, it shows how love can conquer even the most primitive, base and powerful instincts...

God Bless!

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Which can give us some hope about how love can help us overcome the strongest sinful impulse, if it can happen in nature...?

God Bless!