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Physically this is a birth defect.

I didn't want assumptions made about my position.

Mentally male and female has a lot to do with culture. For example pink is for girls and blue for boys. Men wears a suit and a lady a dress. This is why God gave Israel laws pertaining to the differences between males and females. Boys are supposed to be trained to be men and girls are supposed to be trained to be ladies. You don't let a child try to raise themselves.

I was raised to be a man. Didn't work. Just like David Reimer couldn't be raised to be a lady.

The only impact that cultural expectations (such as colors, clothing, etc.) have is on gender expression, not identity.

There is more brain difference between age groups than between sexes.

A point which has no impact on our discussion.
 
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Cutetink, the reason they are "baseless" concerns is because we've never allowed men into women's bathrooms and lockers. Do we need to allow for something to happen even when we see the writing on the wall in order to know something is a bad idea?
 
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I didn't want assumptions made about my position.



I was raised to be a man. Didn't work. Just like David Reimer couldn't be raised to be a lady.

The only impact that cultural expectations (such as colors, clothing, etc.) have is on gender expression, not identity.


Culture has a huge impact including identity but of course is not the only fact like our sin nature. There is nothing biological that makes a man want to dress like a woman no more than someone putting those disc in their lip.
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A point which has no impact on our discussion.
I totally disagree because just as it teaches in scripture what you think and what in your heart has a impact on who you become as a person. Our minds has a lot of plasticity. One choice leads to other choices. Lust leads to sin and sin leads to death.
We have many examples of people overcoming their handicaps and illness instead of being subjected to them.
 
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Cutetink, the reason they are "baseless" concerns is because we've never allowed men into women's bathrooms and lockers. Do we need to allow for something to happen even when we see the writing on the wall in order to know something is a bad idea?


Read up on this more. It is interesting. Google: "areas that allow men into women's restrooms" https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#newwindow=1&q=areas+that+allow+men+into+women's+restrooms or "Transgender Bathroom Bill" https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#newwindow=1&q=Transgender+Bathroom+Bill+

San Antonio for about two years now
Houston for over a year between May 2014 to July 2015
Dallas, TX just passed this bill
California passed over two years ago
I read here on CF that one area has allowed this for over 10 years, but do not recall where that is
etc......

So far as I have read, no increase in sexual assaults as related to restroom facilities has been reported.
 
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Physically this is a birth defect. Mentally male and female has a lot to do with culture. For example pink is for girls and blue for boys. Men wears a suit and a lady a dress. This is why God gave Israel laws pertaining to the differences between males and females. Boys are supposed to be trained to be men and girls are supposed to be trained to be ladies. You don't let a child try to raise themselves.

There is more brain difference between age groups than between sexes.
Letting a child act like themselves. Isn't allowing them to raise themselves. I personally don't see transgender as a behavioral problem. So I wouldn't see the need to discipline them for dressing how they feel. I know a person that was forced to wear boy clothes. Growing up. When he would sneak and wear a dress. They still made this person were boy pants. It never changed her from wanting to wear a dress.
 
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What claim have I been asked to back up? Feel free to quote the statement or question making such a request.



As noted, there are options other than just male with penis and female with vagina, which you stated "there are males and females, not both", yet you are demonstrably wrong.
every single thing you said in response to me were claims you made but refused to back up. For example, your whole idea that there are multiple definitions for male and female....you claim there are, but didn't provide any dictionary entry that showed what those definitions might be. Your entire response to me was like that, yet you feel justified to attack others who converse like that.
 
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Cutetink, the reason they are "baseless" concerns is because we've never allowed men into women's bathrooms and lockers. Do we need to allow for something to happen even when we see the writing on the wall in order to know something is a bad idea?

Men are not being allowed into women's bathrooms.

These laws have been in place for over 10 years in some places. Read the link I posted to you. These concerns you have of behavior (all of which is still illegal) have yet to materialize. Sorry, these concerns are "baseless" based on actual circumstances.
 
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Culture has a huge impact including identity but of course is not the only fact like our sin nature. There is nothing biological that makes a man want to dress like a woman no more than someone putting those disc in their lip.

There is evidence that having a gender identity that disagrees with your birth sex is biological, despite your attempt to classify it as "dressing like a woman".

I totally disagree because just as it teaches in scripture what you think and what in your heart has a impact on who you become as a person. Our minds has a lot of plasticity. One choice leads to other choices. Lust leads to sin and sin leads to death.
We have many examples of people overcoming their handicaps and illness instead of being subjected to them.

Gender Dysphoria is neither a handicap or illness.
 
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every single thing you said in response to me were claims you made but refused to back up. For example, your whole idea that there are multiple definitions for male and female....you claim there are, but didn't provide any dictionary entry that showed what those definitions might be. Your entire response to me was like that, yet you feel justified to attack others who converse like that.

I did actually. Phenotype, genotype and gender.

In other words: physical sex, chromosomal sex and gender.

Multiple definitions of male and female.
 
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I did actually. Phenotype, genotype and gender.

In other words: physical sex, chromosomal sex and gender.

Multiple definitions of male and female.
no you did not, but proving you lied about what you offered as evidence isn't that big a deal. The problem here is that all the definitions are scientific that boil down to the dictionary definition I offered, thus you have failed to defend your claim...shame on you for attacking others for what you yourself do so easily and willingly.

let's look Websters definition of male is here (too long to cut and paste in that it gives all possible meanings, but notice that it always refers to the male who is able to produces gametes, you know, in humans the man as counter to the woman just as scripture defines men and woman. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/male '

Same dictionary, female...notice again how specific it is and how limiting in it's meaning http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/female

Now, here is the real thing, none of the definitions supports what you keep trying to assert and all of them support my claim and I was the one who presented evidence, evidence you refused to present to back up your claims...is that because you can't back up your claim?
 
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no you did not, but proving you lied about what you offered as evidence isn't that big a deal. The problem here is that all the definitions are scientific that boil down to the dictionary definition I offered, thus you have failed to defend your claim...shame on you for attacking others for what you yourself do so easily and willingly.

You haven't even established you have ever asked me. I've spoken of phenotype, genotype and gender several times here.

Post 1. Post 2. Post 3. Post 4. Post 5.

let's look Websters definition of male is here (too long to cut and paste in that it gives all possible meanings, but notice that it always refers to the male who is able to produces gametes, you know, in humans the man as counter to the woman just as scripture defines men and woman. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/male '

Same dictionary, female...notice again how specific it is and how limiting in it's meaning http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/female

Now, here is the real thing, none of the definitions supports what you keep trying to assert and all of them support my claim and I was the one who presented evidence, evidence you refused to present to back up your claims...is that because you can't back up your claim?

You have yet to back up your accusation that you have ever asked me to back it up with dictionary definitions.

However, regardless of your accusation lacking any support at this time:

Phenotype: the set of observable characteristics of an individual resulting from the interaction of its genotype with the environment.
Genotype: the genetic constitution of an individual organism.
Gender: the behavioral, cultural, or psychological traits typically associated with one sex

A phenotypical male would be someone with the physical sex of male.
A genotypical male would be one with XY chromosomes.
A gendered male would be one with the behavioral, cultural or psychological traits typical of a male.

You've provided definitions and so have I. Given that I have referenced there being a phenotype, genotype and gender involved 5 times outside of this topic, you cannot say I've never provided those before. Since there are clearly more than one way to define male and female, my point is satisfied.

Interestingly, the definition you cite about males producing gametes means that children cannot be males and sterile men are not males. Clearly that cannot be the only definition of male.

I asked for a link to where you have ever asked me for these definitions and .... nothing?
 
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God also says that in Him there is no male or female...which really puts a kink in the whole mental male/female issue
That's a double edged sword. If in God there is no male or female, why should He care what's in your pants?
 
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That's a double edged sword. If in God there is no male or female, why should He care what's in your pants?

You're referring to a passage in Galatians 3:28
“There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.”
What is being talked about in this passage is that those who come to Christ come in the same way--through faith, and that no matter whether you are Jew or Greek or any of the other distinctions, we all come to Christ through faith. It has nothing to do with what you're talking about.
 
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That's a double edged sword. If in God there is no male or female, why should He care what's in your pants?
Because God is the God of law and order. God doesn't like hypocrisy ... pretending to be something you are not.


Gender Dysphoria is neither a handicap or illness.
Gender Dysphoria is just a make-up word to avoid calling it sin... rebellion against God. It's same when people tries to justify murdering babies (shedding innocent blood) in the womb by called it a fetus which means child in Latin.

We live in a society that totally deny man is a sinner and will call man's sin everything in the book but sin.
 
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Because God is the God of law and order. God doesn't like hypocrisy ... pretending to be something you are not.



Gender Dysphoria is just a make-up word to avoid calling it sin... rebellion against God. It's same when people tries to justify murdering babies (shedding innocent blood) in the womb by called it a fetus which means child in Latin.

We live in a society that totally deny man is a sinner and will call man's sin everything in the book but sin.

Daniel 8:12 fits in nicely with this:
"And a host will be given over to it together with the regular burnt offering because of transgression, and it will throw truth to the ground, and it will act and prosper." These days, truth means nothing. Definitions are changed to fit whatever the majority want something to mean. A baby isn't a baby until someone wants it to be. Meanwhile, it's fair game to be disposed of. Now, people want to redefine what a man or woman is.
 
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Because God is the God of law and order. God doesn't like hypocrisy ... pretending to be something you are not.
We've been over this, and your assertion is doesn't address the verse in question. It's ridiculously circular.
 
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Gender Dysphoria is just a make-up word to avoid calling it sin... rebellion against God. It's same when people tries to justify murdering babies (shedding innocent blood) in the womb by called it a fetus which means child in Latin.

We live in a society that totally deny man is a sinner and will call man's sin everything in the book but sin.
Always a good stand by. Can't refute something directly? Try to refute something else and link them; gender dysphoria and abortion, practically the same thing. *SMH*
 
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