Spotlight, the movie.

RaylightI · Nov 10, 2015

Hi all

I'm sure some of you have heard about the movie Spotlight, which is about the Sex Abuse Scandal in the local Catholic Church in Boston.

The movie seems to be very interesting, and received a great deal of support from critics. In a nutshell, the movie might end up on the Oscar list.

I recognize the awful sin that was committed by many clergy members, a crime that destroyed the lives of many many people, a crime that I can't even begin to imagine. And I thank God that finally the people found out about it, I actually believe it is God's will to use the Spotlight team to find what was happening behind the closed doors. Now, here comes the thing I need your help with; Is the movie anti-Catholic one-by that I mean a movie that tries to manipulate the tragedy for the sake of certain agenda- or is it authentic movie that betrays the events as they happened, without blaming the whole Church for crimes committed by few? I really want to watch the movie, but I would be very disappointed if it turns out to be just another anti-Catholic movie that aims to attack the Church, especially when it means that a tragedy like the sex abuse scandal is used for certain agenda other than telling the truth and informing the public about what really happened, and honoring the victims.

What do you think?

Michie · Nov 10, 2015

I'm sure it will be on the Oscar list right along with Stonewall. Agenda driven movies shown in a certain light are always shoeins. I'll watch the movie but when it is out on disc. Can't really say much otherwise but Hollywood always adds and subtracts for entertainment value. That's a given.

thecolorsblend · Nov 10, 2015

I'll be shocked if this is an accurate presentation of the issue. The media keep throwing around the term "pedophilia" but that only applies to people 12 years of age or younger. At least half the victims were older than that, which means "pedophile" isn't even the right word to use.

Call it being judgmental but I doubt I'll even bother with the movie.

Michie · Nov 10, 2015

Well regardless of the age of those teens, it was still wrong and even more so given that these priests were supposed to be shepherds. And it was wrong for the Church to cover it up. It was ugly. No way around that. But to expect a fair representation in a movie regardless of the subject is next to impossible. It's not that Hollywood particularly cares about these subjects even with Hollywoods anti-Christian bent. Hollywood pretty much defines debauchery and all that entails. They care about money, awards, and accolades. It's about the returns.

Rhamiel · Nov 10, 2015

movies that are agenda driven.... any agenda, is off putting

AvilaSurfer · Nov 11, 2015

Enough already.

sylverpiano · Nov 11, 2015

The way the scandal was handled in Boston was one of the huge stumbling block I had to resolve as I converted. It still hurts my soul a bit, and I pray about this often.

RaylightI · Nov 12, 2015

So should I watch it or not?

sylverpiano · Nov 12, 2015

I plan to see it

Michie · Nov 12, 2015

It's up to you. But don't expect edification. Right now I feel like I need to avoid it. So if I watch it it will be much later.

RaylightI said:
So should I watch it or not?

Michie · Nov 12, 2015

thecolorsblend · Nov 13, 2015

I'd be more tempted (slightly) if it was a documentary. Even then you'd probably have some kind of bias there... but maybe not. But since this "based on a true story", I expect there to be very little truth there.

The other thing is I just can't shake the hypocrisy of it all. If the police were to arrest every single pedophile and molester in Hollywood today, the entire movie industry would shut down tomorrow. Molesting is pretty much the norm among a lot of child actors. If their agents aren't doing it to them, some sick movie executives probably are. And yet a bunch of Hollyweirdos are going to put on moral airs as if they're somehow superior. It's just sickening.

What amazes me is how long it's taken for this movie to finally get made.

Sword of the Lord · Nov 13, 2015

thecolorsblend said:
I'll be shocked if this is an accurate presentation of the issue. The media keep throwing around the term "pedophilia" but that only applies to people 12 years of age or younger. At least half the victims were older than that, which means "pedophile" isn't even the right word to use.

Call it being judgmental but I doubt I'll even bother with the movie.

Pedophilia is the right word if even ONE was under 12, which nearly half of them were. But hey, let's nitpick because like 50% of them were totally 13 and being raped and not 11.

thecolorsblend · Nov 13, 2015

Mikhael Disciple of Christ said:
Pedophilia is the right word if even ONE was under 12, which nearly half of them were. But hey, let's nitpick because like 50% of them were totally 13 and being raped and not 11.

Originally I had a slightly longer post typed that illustrated the vast differences between the slant given by the news media vs. what in fact actually happened. But then I realized no response from me is possible under the circumstances. Or even desirable, really. It looks to me like you don't seem willing to recognize or accept nuances and definitions that every single psychologist and psychiatrist in this country (you know, the people who know more about this than you do) all accept in order to do their work.

If you want to believe the, to be polite, abject lack of reality which you've just described, please do. Facts, truth, reason and I shall not stand in your way.

Sword of the Lord · Nov 13, 2015

thecolorsblend said:
Originally I had a slightly longer post typed that illustrated the vast differences between the slant given by the news media vs. what in fact actually happened. But then I realized no response from me is possible under the circumstances. Or even desirable, really. It looks to me like you don't seem willing to recognize or accept nuances and definitions that every single psychologist and psychiatrist in this country (you know, the people who know more about this than you do) all accept in order to do their work.

If you want to believe the, to be polite, abject lack of reality which you've just described, please do. Facts, truth, reason and I shall not stand in your way.

You're completely missing the fact that, whatever the age, kids were still being raped. Who gives a rat's behind what word is used because of a number? Even with the number provided - 12 - and according to your own words, half of the kids were under it. When my brother was being raped by my step dad from 4 to 14, I'm pretty damn sure it was all the same to him and he would spit in the face of any idiot that wanted to downplay his rape after the age of 12.

Rhamiel · Nov 14, 2015

thecolorsblend makes a lot of good points

RaylightI · Nov 24, 2015

Here I will give my review of the movie. Please remember that this is only my opinion, which you may agree or disagree with.

The film was boring for me. And it was biased against the Church; It showed the Church as an institution that controls every corner of Boston, as if every human being live in the city of Boston was under the control of the Church. That the Cardinals try to manipulate the system. That those "lapsed catholics" are so innocent and couldn't handle the "corruption" of the Church (They might as well leave America all together, if every time there is corruption, they can't stay). In one of the scene, a person said that when it comes to sex abuse, the Church doesn't discriminate between male and female (Referring to the fact that girls and boys are victims of the sex abuse). Cause apparently for Hollywood, the Church does discriminate against women. The whole film DIDN'T mention a thing about how the Church tried to stop the abuse, how there are good people who fought against the sex abuse. NOTHING at all was mentioned. The Catholic Church represented as a scary, evil, and creepy institution.

I don't deny that the film based on a true story, and many of what was represented is true, but that doesn't justify the lack of mention of the clergy who fought against the sex abuse.

I was very disappointed, and once again, Hollywood proved its bias.

Michie · Nov 24, 2015

I'm not surprised. Spotlight, Stonewall, and The Danish girl are going to be on the Oscar roster imo.

Gnarwhal · Nov 24, 2015

I was worried about that. I really like the cast, but I also know Mark Ruffalo is pretty anti-religion. I read something recently, written by a Catholic, who said that despite the discomfort all Catholics should go see it. However, I don't know anything about the writer so I can't speak to whether that exhortation is something that is actually not.

tadoflamb · Nov 24, 2015

sylverpiano said:
The way the scandal was handled in Boston was one of the huge stumbling block I had to resolve as I converted. It still hurts my soul a bit, and I pray about this often.

Me too. I converted during the height of the scandal and my own diocese declared bankruptcy because of priest sexual abuse the year I was confirmed. The arrogance displayed by the clergy in Boston is almost enough to make me say 'forget it'.

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