Messianic Rabbi Blesses Trump

Aryeh Jay said:

No, that was all I know!

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Albion said:

It's at least interesting that people from other nations spend so much time slandering political figures in the USA, whereas Americans overwhelmingly think that who is chosen to govern in those countries is the business of the voters who live there.

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Probably because American politics tends to land quite heavily on other nations. What happens in the USA actually costs other nations money and lives. What would be a rather nice change would be to see Americans interested in the politics of other friendly and allied nations. Instead I think Americans tend to focus and comment just as much about politics in nations deemed by the media as "enemies" like Russia, China, Cuba and Venezuela. Rather resembles a propaganda situation if you ask me.

ContraMundum said:

Probably because American politics tends to land quite heavily on other nations. .

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I figured that would be the answer, but I still think that 1) those who are not voters on our elections should draw back from talking like they are directly involved, and 2) those whose information comes only from long distance ought to recognize the limitations of their information.

It's actually somewhat embarrassing for us to read the belligerent posts of people living nowhere near the USA who spout off on something they know little about. I guess we expect somewhat better manners, if nothing else.

Albion said:

I figured that would be the answer, but I still think that 1) those who are not voters on our elections should draw back from talking like they are directly involved, and 2) those whose information comes only from long distance ought to recognize the limitations of their information.

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Yeah...not gonna happen.

The World is bombarded by US-driven media, so if it's on the news it's in the mind.

Anyway- long distance information is becoming less and less of an issue in our globalized world.

I'm hoping I get a chance to vote for Bernie Sanders, btw.

It's actually somewhat embarrassing for us to read the belligerent posts of people living nowhere near the USA who spout off on something they know little about. I guess we expect somewhat better manners, if nothing else.

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Try being on the other end as well. There's a joke about Americans down here- they are always right when it comes to politics and religion- just ask them.

ContraMundum said:

Yeah...not gonna happen.

The World is bombarded by US-driven media, so if it's on the news it's in the mind..

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I feel so sorry for you to have to endure that. When the day comes that the Australian Broadcasting System is the leading provider of news for the whole world, just imagine the fun we Americans will have finding ourselves to have become instant experts on all things relating to Australian politics.

Albion said:

I feel so sorry for you to have to endure that. When the day comes that the Australian Broadcasting System is the leading provider of news for the whole world, just imagine the fun we Americans will have finding ourselves to have become instant experts on all things relating to Australian politics.

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..but Americans are already experts on all things political.

..and international scrutiny could be a good thing.

ContraMundum said:

..but Americans are already experts on all things political. .

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Let's test out that theory. When is the last time you read any post on CF from an American that commented in any way on the outcome of national elections in Australia?

Albion said:

Let's test out that theory. When is the last time you read any post on CF from an American that commented in any way on the outcome of national elections in Australia?

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It's happened, but that's the contradiction of Americanism- be prepared to pontificate on everything political and religious while not actually knowing much beyond what FoxNews tells you is important to know about. If Fox covered Aust elections and Aust politics was in the face of US viewers as much as US politics is in the face of everyone on the planet then I'm sure we'd have plenty of commentary. For example, how often do you hear in the US about how Cuba, Russia, Europe and China have it "wrong" and how they need to embrace US styled democracy? All the time. Why? They make the news.

Interesting. Last night I put my feet up to watch a bit of the Late Show for light entertainment. US politics was all over it. The other Late shows also had US politics. You put it on TV- people will have an opinion.

ContraMundum said:

Yeah...not gonna happen.

The World is bombarded by US-driven media, so if it's on the news it's in the mind.

Anyway- long distance information is becoming less and less of an issue in our globalized world.

I'm hoping I get a chance to vote for Bernie Sanders, btw.



Try being on the other end as well. There's a joke about Americans down here- they are always right when it comes to politics and religion- just ask them.

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Apparently dual citizenship.

I am interested in what Bernie Sanders will prresent. Never have been a Hillary(ditz brain) fan, seems like mad cow disease.

Being 1/2 out of a depression era/WW II Jewish family, functioning community was very important. At the very same time period and even to present, community for the Lakota side of my family has remained vital for our survival, though the gov't. has sought to eradicate us.There is a g-d, now we have casinos.

Sane democratic socialism wouldn't bother me. Problem will be the financing.

Open Heart said:

Albion, I get my News coverage from Al Jazeera and from Google.

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I thought you were kidding me when I first read that. But OK.

It doesn't really change or affect anything I wrote, though.

aniello said:

Apparently dual citizenship.

I am interested in what Bernie Sanders will prresent. Never have been a Hillary(ditz brain) fan, seems like mad cow disease.

Being 1/2 out of a depression era/WW II Jewish family, functioning community was very important. At the very same time period and even to present, community for the Lakota side of my family has remained vital for our survival, though the gov't. has sought to eradicate us.There is a g-d, now we have casinos.

Sane democratic socialism wouldn't bother me. Problem will be the financing.

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Yep on all points.

pat34lee said:

I dealt with the pronunciation. It is meaningless.
Do you think he is limited by our understanding?
Do you think any Hebrew scholar could understand Moses if he appeared today?
We do the best we can and he honors that. What he does not honor is compromise with the world.

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"I dealt with the pronunciation. It is meaningless. "

I have no idea what that means.

Like I said, I don't mind the use of the name, in a few appropriate situations, but I acknowledge we don't actually know how to pronounce it. That is fact and meaningful, not meaningless.

"We do the best we can"

I agree, why are you arguing ?

"Do you think any Hebrew scholar could understand Moses if he appeared today?"

I think I asked you the exact same question, several times, and you just ignored it, so this is hilarious.
In fact I suggested that David might have a very different dialect / accent than Moses, even, and you just ignored it every time I brought it up !

Hoshiyya said:

I think I asked you the exact same question, several times, and you just ignored it, so this is hilarious.
In fact I suggested that David might have a very different dialect / accent than Moses, even, and you just ignored it every time I brought it up !

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Meaningless.
In twelve tribes over a thousand years, how many different pronunciations do you think they had for YHWH?

If you brought up anything like this to me, it must have been over something other than pronunciation.
I have a preferred pronunciation, but I have never said it was the only one, or the only correct one.
If even today, we can't all agree on the pronunciation of pecan, tomato, etc. how will we agree on something that many
have an aversion to speaking in the first place?

How can we condemn these blessings on a man?

Yeshuas_My_Freedom said:

How can we condemn these blessings on a man?

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The Messianic Rabbi said here:
"The only two nations that have ever been in a relationship with God is Israel and the United States" !

Sure this person is not a Latter Day Saint ?

I disagree with the manner in which he pronounced YHWH, but I do not mind the name being spoken in and of itself.
But the problem here is the CONTEXT in which this holy name and blessing is spoken, and the person over whom it is spoken.

pat34lee said:

Meaningless.
In twelve tribes over a thousand years, how many different pronunciations do you think they had for YHWH?

If you brought up anything like this to me, it must have been over something other than pronunciation.
I have a preferred pronunciation, but I have never said it was the only one, or the only correct one.
If even today, we can't all agree on the pronunciation of pecan, tomato, etc. how will we agree on something that many
have an aversion to speaking in the first place?

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Again, I have made these EXACT points to you, again and again. For all I know, you could be quoting my own words right now.

Hoshiyya said:

The Messianic Rabbi said here:
"The only two nations that have ever been in a relationship with God is Israel and the United States" !

Sure this person is not a Latter Day Saint ?

I disagree with the manner in which he pronounced YHWH, but I do not mind the name being spoken in and of itself.
But the problem here is the CONTEXT in which this holy name and blessing is spoken, and the person over whom it is spoken.

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Being he's a Rabbi I would say the problem isn't his.

Yeshuas_My_Freedom said:

Being he's a Rabbi I would say the problem isn't his.

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Whatever you're trying to say, it is not coming across.

Here's what I said:
"the problem here is the CONTEXT in which this holy name and blessing is spoken, and the person over whom it is spoken."

The whole scenario was the problem. If you don't see anything wrong with the scene in the video you posted, then you need to level up your discernment.