The importance of checking your sources.

joshua 1 9 said:

Bottom line: Even with the most iron clad rock solid evidence there are still people that will dispute the results. Or they will do as your attempting to do and claim there is no evidence when tons of evidence exists. So I do not know if this is ignorance or fraud to claim that there is no evidence.

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What to do when caught using fake dino prints? Distract them with a fake Jesus relic.

Loudmouth said:

What to do when caught using fake dino prints? Distract them with a fake Jesus relic.

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What transpired between their initial "discovery," to the time they were exposed as fake?

I'll take a guess and say they made the covers of Scientific American, Popular Science, and into the textbooks of academia.

Ditto for Pluto and Haeckel's drawings.

AV1611VET said:

What transpired between their initial "discovery," to the time they were exposed as fake?

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You mean their initial forgery?

I'll take a guess and say they made the covers of Scientific American, Popular Science, and into the textbooks of academia.

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Why don't you actually look up some facts?

Ditto for Pluto.

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Huh?

AV1611VET said:

What transpired between their initial "discovery," to the time they were exposed as fake?

I'll take a guess and say they made the covers of Scientific American, Popular Science, and into the textbooks of academia.

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I doubt the dino footprints made to any of those unless they were reporting the fraud. You can show different?

RickG said:

I doubt the dino footprints made to any of those ...

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Well Pluto and Haeckel certainly made splashes somewhere.

Maybe not in those publications; but they interfaced with the general public somewhere.

So if, as you guys like to claim, the past is the key to the present, then I would say it made it -- somewhere.

AV1611VET said:

Well Pluto and Haeckel certainly made splashes somewhere.

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You don't even understand the science behind astronomy or embryology. Don't pretend to speak authoritatively on subjects you are ignorant of.

Maybe not in those publications; but they interfaced with the general public somewhere.

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Yes, on creationist websites where the creationist forgers tried to pass off their forgeries.

AV1611VET said:

Well Pluto and Haeckel certainly made splashes somewhere.

Maybe not in those publications; but they interfaced with the general public somewhere.

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Neither one of those are frauds. Haeckel made a mistake. Most of what he used was correct and it was scientists who found the problem and corrected it, not your ilk. As for Pluto, science corrects itself. The best educated people at one time believed the planets were gods. You want to go back that far and worship the planets?

RickG said:

Neither one of those are frauds. Haeckel made a mistake.

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Most have concluded that Haeckel purposefully exaggerated certain features.

What I find the most entertaining is that creationists usually aren't able to describe what is actually wrong with Haeckel's drawings.

Loudmouth said:

Most have concluded that Haeckel purposefully exaggerated certain features.

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And what's the difference between purposefully exaggerating certain features, and purposefully setting aside general relativity to say the Bible teaches geocentrism?

AV1611VET said:

And what's the difference between purposefully exaggerating certain features, and purposefully setting aside general relativity to say the Bible teaches geocentrism?

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Huh?

RickG said:

Neither one of those are frauds. Haeckel made a mistake.

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In other words, none of them were frauds, were they?

RickG said:

Most of what he used was correct and it was scientists who found the problem and corrected it,

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After the damage had been done, and [mis]information had been propagated to the general public to strengthen evolution.

RickG said:

As for Pluto, science corrects itself.

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After the damage had been done and Thal...

Oops! You said Pluto ... sorry.

RickG said:

The best educated people at one time believed the planets were gods.

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Not Moses.

Remember him?

He's that guy scientists say didn't live in that country that was founded before Noah ever had children?

"Egypt," I think it's called?

What God calls the "Iron Furnace" and placed off-limits to Old Testament saints?

AV1611VET said:

And what's the difference between purposefully exaggerating certain features,

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To point out specific things about them so they are more obvious to the observer.

AV1611VET said:

In other words, none of them were frauds, were they?After the damage had been done, and [mis]information had been propagated to the general public to strengthen evolution.After the damage had been done and Thal...

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You don't even understand what Haeckel was wrong about. Evolution is equally supported by the accurate drawings and photographs of those same embryos.

Oops! You said Pluto ... sorry.

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What does that have to do with anything?

Not Moses.

Remember him?

He's that guy scientists say didn't live in that country that was founded before Noah ever had children?

"Egypt," I think it's called?

What God calls the "Iron Furnace" and placed off-limits to Old Testament saints?

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Do you have evidence for any of this? Are you confusing a book with a deity again?

AV1611VET said:

In other words, none of them were frauds, were they?After the damage had been done, and [mis]information had been propagated to the general public to strengthen evolution.

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Science corrects it problems. You would prefer it didn't?

AV1611VET said:

It's awful coincidental then that you guys seem to be absent when someone gets on us about the Bible teaching geocentrism, but seem to be around when we say something against science.

For the record ... and I'm entitled to my opinion ... but for the record, I don't think you would chime in with one word against your comrades if they got on us about the Bible teaching geocentrism.

It's usually left up to me ... a Fundamental Independent Baptist who doesn't know diddly about science ... to defend such false accusations by invoking general relativity to show the accuser that it is he, not the Bible, that is in error.

Something, in my opinion, you guys should be doing for us.

And ditto for flat earth, witch hunts, the Inquisition, the Crusades, and ten other things your comrades think we're hypocrites for not doing.

If I was a real, Spirit filled, professional scientist, I would ask my comrades to please stop throwing the scientific method around, if they don't know how to apply it properly to the Bible.

And using words like "magic" and "poofed" would irritate me.

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You sure do love to tap dance around and shift-ball-change the scope of the discussion.

You've been a member of this forum since I was in elementary school and have written more than three million posts here. You could have utilized your time more productively over the past nine years to remedy yourself of your profound ignorance about science. You choose to proudly "know diddy" about it, which to me is an impoverished choice, and one that is incredibly counterproductive to the self-appointed mission you've embarked on here. You could at least try to set an example of moral character as an elder and a Christian rather than making inaccurate statements and accusations against others, which you manipulatively frame as merely being opinions. I'm a college student and a Christian, and I act independently here and in my personal life. I'm not responsible for what anyone else has written or failed to write, and I'm not a part of any allegiance other than to God. I have and I will continue to dispute inaccurate statements about science or the Bible that I encounter, regardless of the religious beliefs of the person making them. I do not devote massive amounts to this forum, though, because I have too many obligations to prioritize.

Loudmouth said:

You don't even understand what Haeckel was wrong about.

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I shouldn't have to.

That's your department.

I'm just a commoner ... a plebeian ... a koine ... laity.

AV1611VET said:

.Not Moses.

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Then why did God give Moses a tablet that said "Thou shalt have no other gods before me"?

AV1611VET said:

I shouldn't have to.

That's your department.

I'm just a commoner ... a plebeian ... a Koine ... laity.

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You shouldn't have to back up your own accusations?

"In other words, none of them were frauds, were they?After the damage had been done, and [mis]information had been propagated to the general public to strengthen evolution."--AV1611VET

If you can't stand by your own words, don't write them.

RickG said:

Science corrects it problems. You would prefer it didn't?

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Science puts out its own fires.

Almost everything they disseminate to us has been obsoleted, modified, or exposed as fra ... er ... "mistakes."

Stanfordella said:

I have and I will continue to dispute inaccurate statements about science or the Bible that I encounter, regardless of the religious beliefs of the person making them.

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Good!

Let's see you walk your talk.

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