Should wealthy nations end world hunger?

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I think first of all we should get rid of those who want to make a buck out of literally everything. And I mean those from our countries.
I don't think there is anything wrong with wanting to make a buck. It's called ambition, and it's a nice trait. The problem arises when ambition has no moral limits and makes a buck at the expense of other people's rights. I think we both agree on that, eh?
 
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I don't think there is anything wrong with wanting to make a buck.
Well, your moral valuation and your ideology are one thing.
Another thing is whether following them allows for a solution of the problem at hand.
There´s a conflict of interest, and we all know who of the parties involved is more powerful.
It's called ambition, and it's a nice trait. The problem arises when ambition has no moral limits and makes a buck at the expense of other people's rights. I think we both agree on that, eh?
Yep. Of course, another question is "Who gets to define what is whose 'right'?"
 
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wasn't part of Ethiopa somewhat of a breadbasket at one point? Bad government, green revolution, hello starvation? Propping up horrible governments with aid and exporting destructive agriculture techniques is pretty much what wealthy countries have been doing and it is the road to hell.
 
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Minor things, I don't know. Perhaps some NASA programs. I guess what I'm asking is, "should ending world hunger be a priority for wealthy nations?".

To eradicate it would cost something like 50% of one month's defence spending in the U.S.

That's not pointing the finger at the U.S. at all, but it's a good example for perspective. The global community could stop it very easily.
 
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To eradicate it would cost something like 50% of one month's defence spending in the U.S.

That's not pointing the finger at the U.S. at all, but it's a good example for perspective. The global community could stop it very easily.
The food would not get to the hungry. It ends up on the black market. It doesn't matter how much money you throw at it. It doesn't overcome the problem of the corruption of the governments where these folks live.
 
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You don't know that. Obesity doesn't mean a person isn't starving. In third world countries, people DIE of starvation while obese, when their bodies literally eat their vital organs before burning off their fat.

What in the heck are you talking about??? Please give some proof of that.
 
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What in the heck are you talking about??? Please give some proof of that.
It was a video I watched on metabolic syndrome caused by western diets. I wish that I could find it again for you, but although I looked for it, I was not able to. I can only tell you that I watched it because metabolic syndrome led to the diabetes that almost cost me my life. I couldn't figure out how it was that I was constantly on a 1500 calorie diet and still fat, nor could I understand how I could be fat and my doctor was telling me that the bloodtests were showing I was malnourished. Anyhow, this video talked about a study with obese rats that literally had their organs being eaten up before their fat was utilized. It talked about people in third world countries who struggled to get enough to eat who were still overweight. Anyhow, I can't find the video so if you don't want to believe it I can understand.

FWIW my doctor has me on a high protein low carb (no a not carb) diet (stay away from all processed sugars especially fructose). I have to eat a LOT to get a proper nutritional level including taking vitamins and iron. I ended up having Roux n Y surgery to cure the Diabetes as it was killing me along with other metabolic syndrome stuff like kidney problems, liver problems, apnea, heart stuff, etc. I'm now in really good health, praise God. I'm soooooo lucky to live in this country.
 
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One of the best things that the West could do to help developing nations is to stop the anti-GMO propaganda. Golden rice could save many people's lives and sight.


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One of the best things that the West could do to help developing nations is to stop the anti-GMO propaganda. Golden rice could save many people's lives and sight.
There are arguments on both sides. The flip side is that when you alter something genetically you never know what side effects it may have on the human body. You might not know for centuries.
 
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There are arguments on both sides. The flip side is that when you alter something genetically you never know what side effects it may have on the human body. You might not know for centuries.

The flip side is merely pseudo-scientific fear-mongering. Adding genes for vitamin-A production, such as in golden rice, isn't going to have unknown side-effects. All it does is increase vitamin-A production. That's it. Vitamin-A is good for you.

Do you know what might have unknown side-effects? Old-fashioned hybridizing of plant species, the kind of technique that made so many of our modern fruits, grains, and vegetables. That mixes many genes together in potentially unpredictable ways. Still, it was worth it, wasn't it?

Unfortunately, this fear-mongering allows deaths and malnutrition to continue.


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The flip side is merely pseudo-scientific fear-mongering. Adding genes for vitamin-A production, such as in golden rice, isn't going to have unknown side-effects. All it does is increase vitamin-A production. That's it. Vitamin-A is good for you.
It's more complicted than that.
 
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Minor things, I don't know. Perhaps some NASA programs. I guess what I'm asking is, "should ending world hunger be a priority for wealthy nations?".
To eradicate it would cost something like 50% of one month's defence spending in the U.S.
That's not pointing the finger at the U.S. at all, but it's a good example for perspective. The global community could stop it very easily.
It is impossible for that to work. EVER. Even if you threw the entire GDPs of the Gang of 8 nations at it for decades, it would not work.

As Our Lord said:

John 12:8 For the poor you have with you always, but Me you do not have always.”

He was referring to this:

Deuteronomy 15:11 For the poor will never cease from the land; therefore I command you, saying, ‘You shall open your hand wide to your brother, to your poor and your needy, in your land.’

God intentionally created rich and poor (like so many other distinctions) for mutual blessing. He will not allow that distinction to go away. The rich are blessed in giving, "it is more blessed to give than receive;" and poor are blessed in receiving.
 
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John 12:8 For the poor you have with you always, but Me you do not have always.”
You will always have poor, because you will always have people who are disabled, mentally ill, unintelligent, etc., plus a few with character disorders who don't want to work even though it means being poor (character disorders are complex as there is together a biological component, environmental component, and SIN component). Such people should still be given the basic necessities of life, food, shelter, and clothing, for themselves and their families.
 
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It is impossible for that to work. EVER. Even if you threw the entire GDPs of the Gang of 8 nations at it for decades, it would not work.

As Our Lord said:

John 12:8 For the poor you have with you always, but Me you do not have always.”

He was referring to this:

Deuteronomy 15:11 For the poor will never cease from the land; therefore I command you, saying, ‘You shall open your hand wide to your brother, to your poor and your needy, in your land.’

God intentionally created rich and poor (like so many other distinctions) for mutual blessing. He will not allow that distinction to go away. The rich are blessed in giving, "it is more blessed to give than receive;" and poor are blessed in receiving.

I'm not talking about eradicating poverty.

I'm saying that even if those people were perpetually destitute, we could at least feed and water them.
 
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I'm saying that even if those people were perpetually destitute, we could at least feed and water them.
Right. And that is WHY they are there - so we can be generous and help them.
 
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Right. And that is WHY they are there - so we can be generous and help them.

Either way. I think in the hurry to drop bombs on the 'enemy' and munitions for proxy forces, we've forgotten how much good we can do with the same money.

I'm not sure how many die per year due to inaccessibility to clean water and food. Most likely millions. I'd much rather my tax dollars contribute towards life instead of death.
 
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I'm not sure how many die per year due to inaccessibility to clean water and food. Most likely millions. I'd much rather my tax dollars contribute towards life instead of death.
"Some 795 million people in the world do not have enough food to lead a healthy active life. That's about one in nine people on earth. The vast majority of the world's hungry people live in developing countries, where 12.9 percent of the population is undernourished."
www.wfp.org/hunger/stats
 
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"Some 795 million people in the world do not have enough food to lead a healthy active life. That's about one in nine people on earth. The vast majority of the world's hungry people live in developing countries, where 12.9 percent of the population is undernourished."
www.wfp.org/hunger/stats

In that case, the US currently grows enough grain to feed its own population, all of world's 795 million malnourished and could still feed another 205 million on top of that.
 
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