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Albert pike the 33rd degree mason presented illuminati agenda for world war 3
http://www.libertyforlife.com/nwo/albert_pike.htm
http://www.masonicinfo.com/pike.htm
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The third world war is to be played out by stirring up hatred of the Muslim world for the purposes of playing the Islamic world and the political zionists off against one another.
Whilst this is going on, the remaining nations would be forced to fight themselves into a state of mental, physical, spiritual and economic exhaustion.
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No wonder the situation in the middle east and then next in others.
 
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From etymonline.com

Zionism (n.)
"movement for forming (later supporting) a Jewish national state in Palestine," 1896, from German Zionismus (from Zion + Latin-derived suffix -ismus; see -ism); first recorded 1886 in "Selbstemancipation," by "Matthias Acher" (pseudonym of Nathan Birnbaum (1864-1937)).

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Albert Pike (December 29, 1809 – April 2, 1891) was an attorney, soldier, writer, and Freemason. Albert Pike is the only Confederate military officer or figure to be honored with a statue in Washington, D.C

Albert Pike died in 1891. "Zionism" as a word did not exist prior to 1886.

That means the purported quote would have to have been said within a five year window between 1886 and 1891. What are the chances that Albert Pike was, between his 77th and 81st year a frequent reader of German language Jewish nationalist literature? At a time when "Zionism" was chiefly an ideology adhered to by only a handful of the secular European Jewish intelligentsia; that did not exist in the Middle East, and when there did not exist a problematic religio-political climate in the middle east like there is today (the Ottomans were still in full swing, the Qajar Dynasty ruled Persia, India and Pakistan were under British colonial rule, and Afghanistan after two wars with the British were effectively under British influence). That is to say, at the end of Pike's life the Middle East was relatively stable, and in Palestine under Ottomon control Jews, Christians, and Muslims got along just fine.

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Albert Pike died in 1891. "Zionism" as a word did not exist prior to 1886.

That means the purported quote would have to have been said within a five year window between 1886 and 1891. What are the chances that Albert Pike was, between his 77th and 81st year a frequent reader of German language Jewish nationalist literature? At a time when "Zionism" was chiefly an ideology adhered to by only a handful of the secular European Jewish intelligentsia; that did not exist in the Middle East,

Albert Pike was one of the architects of the New World Order based on a vision revealed to him,

http://www.threeworldwars.com/albert-pike.htm
 
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Albert Pike was one of the architects of the New World Order based on a vision revealed to him,

http://www.threeworldwars.com/albert-pike.htm

Except not.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Guy_Carr#The_three_world_wars

And this breaks everything down quite nicely:

http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/2015/01/10/albert-pike-to-mazzini-august-15-1871-three-world-wars/

Here's a snippet:

"Exactly what William Guy Carr was trying to pull, I’ll never know. If you’ve bared it until the end, perhaps you’re disappointed to have found nothing about a prediction of three world wars, Communism, Nazism and Zionist Illuminati – or anything of the sort. A search through the entire book, utilizing relevant word combinations, turns up nothing either. Instead, what it truly represents is the scurrilous fantasies, and militant anti-Catholicism of its author: the impostor Leo Taxil aka Dr. Bataille, who profited handsomely while having a million laughs at the expense of both Christians and Masons; who confessed that his entire corpus of anti-Masonic works – spanning twelve years and representing thousands of pages (including the translated excerpt above) – were a complete and utter fraud; a colossal yet ridiculously farcical hoax.

It is enough having shown that the so-called Pike/Mazzini letter came from the Taxil hoax and to have provided a full translation of it. However, if the reader is so inclined, there are plenty of resources to become familiar with all facets of the Leo Taxil case in the above embedded links.
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TL;DR version: William Guy Carr said some things which modern conspiracy theorists look to, Carr's claims are--through a game of telephone--ultimately derived from a letter that Pike never wrote but a hoax; and said hoax letter doesn't even include Carr's claims.

What we have here is a load of BS several layers of turds deep.

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The easiest way to explain what is going on in the Middle East:

1). Satan currently rules the world. This is proven in the Bible; Satan offers Jesus the whole world and all the kingdoms thereof, and Jesus does not argue against Satan's ownership of it and Jesus also says "Greater is He that is in you, than he who is in the world" which also implies that Satan currently has ownership over the peoples of the world (except for those who are born again).

2). God has made promises to Israel and has a plan and a destiny in mind for Israel. He promised the entire area would be Israel's.

3). Satan hates God, and everything He created, and therefore is always trying to undermine and disrupt His plans. Therefore, Satan is trying everything he can to thwart what God is doing. Therefore, Satan is trying to get the entire world to dispute Israel's right to the land that God promised to Israel.

That's what this whole thing boils down to.

Satan is merely trying to stop Israel from fulfilling her destiny that is God-Ordained. Even the USA, who was once one of Israel's biggest allies, is starting to turn on her. It isn't that surprising, given the levels of corruption, greed, and sin in our government, and in our nation in general that even the USA has turned away from God for the most part (there are good Christians in the US, but they were nowhere near as large a percentage as they once were).
 
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At which point I said "...Okay..." and stopped reading.

Don't believe me?

Go to the Bible and read these verses:

Matthew 4:9-10 (Satan offers Jesus the Kingdoms of the World. If Satan did not rule the world, Satan could not have offered it, because Jesus would know that Satan didn't own those Kingdoms and therefore it would not have been a temptation)

1 John 4:4-5 (John here says that "Greater is He [Holy Spirit] that is in you than he [Satan] who is in the world" and in the next verse, he clearly alludes to the fact that "The World" = Satan and his system.

Matthew 6:24 (The word here that is used in the KJV is "mammon" which is usually used for "riches" or "money", however this word can also imply the evil sort of love of money/greed/material things and is oftentimes used as a synonym for Satan himself, as Satan is the source of all sin)

So these verses heavily imply that Satan has (temporary!) ownership of the kingdoms of the world.

The fact that Satan has temporary ownership of the world is the whole point of Revelation Ch4+. Jesus needs to come down, conquer the usurpers and its leader (and his sidekick) and the Bible makes it pretty clear that this leader is none other than Satan himself.
 
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Don't believe me?

Go to the Bible and read these verses:

Matthew 4:9-10 (Satan offers Jesus the Kingdoms of the World. If Satan did not rule the world, Satan could not have offered it, because Jesus would know that Satan didn't own those Kingdoms and therefore it would not have been a temptation)

1 John 4:4-5 (John here says that "Greater is He [Holy Spirit] that is in you than he [Satan] who is in the world" and in the next verse, he clearly alludes to the fact that "The World" = Satan and his system.

Matthew 6:24 (The word here that is used in the KJV is "mammon" which is usually used for "riches" or "money", however this word can also imply the evil sort of love of money/greed/material things and is oftentimes used as a synonym for Satan himself, as Satan is the source of all sin)

So these verses heavily imply that Satan has (temporary!) ownership of the kingdoms of the world.

The fact that Satan has temporary ownership of the world is the whole point of Revelation Ch4+. Jesus needs to come down, conquer the usurpers and its leader (and his sidekick) and the Bible makes it pretty clear that this leader is none other than Satan himself.
OK, so let's assume, for the sake of argument, that Satan literally rules the world currently. Does that summation help explain what's going on in the Middle East in any practical way?
 
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OK, so let's assume, for the sake of argument, that Satan literally rules the world currently. Does that summation help explain what's going on in the Middle East in any practical way?

YES!

Did you not go over the post you said you stopped reading?

What's Satan's #1 Goal?

To destroy everything God has created, and to stop everything God is trying to do.

What is God trying to do? Redeem His creation.

What is Israel? God's chosen nation, His chosen people. What did God do in the days of Abraham? Promise that whole section of Canaan to Abraham's descendants, which later became the Nation of Israel. The whole point of the book of Exodus was that they went into Egypt as a family and emerged as a Nation. In fact, we can conclude that the entire Old Testament is the account of a Nation, Israel.

All through the Bible, in nearly every book, you will find Satan's attempts of killing off the Jews (Israel) or otherwise trying to hinder God's plans.

What's the conflicts in the Middle East over? Right, the land that Israel was promised by God Himself. Why would most of the entire world get in on this huge conflict? Because Satan doesn't want God to succeed in His plans. Satan knows God promised that entire area to Israel, and Satan knows that he can't Really defeat God (he surely has to know this) but yet Satan also knows that he can cause a lot of people go to to Hell and that's his primary goal is to cause God as much grief as he possibly can and/or destroy as many people as he can.

That's why more and more, the entire world is turning against Israel. The majority of the UN Decisions involving Israel are against Israel, the whole Islamist thing going on is against Israel, and even the USA isn't very warm towards Israel these days. Don't you find it a little funny that the vast majority of the conflict in the world today is over Israel and that section of land in the Middle East?
 
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YES!

Did you not go over the post you said you stopped reading?

What's Satan's #1 Goal?

To destroy everything God has created, and to stop everything God is trying to do.

What is God trying to do? Redeem His creation.

What is Israel? God's chosen nation, His chosen people. What did God do in the days of Abraham? Promise that whole section of Canaan to Abraham's descendants, which later became the Nation of Israel. The whole point of the book of Exodus was that they went into Egypt as a family and emerged as a Nation. In fact, we can conclude that the entire Old Testament is the account of a Nation, Israel.

All through the Bible, in nearly every book, you will find Satan's attempts of killing off the Jews (Israel) or otherwise trying to hinder God's plans.

What's the conflicts in the Middle East over? Right, the land that Israel was promised by God Himself. Why would most of the entire world get in on this huge conflict? Because Satan doesn't want God to succeed in His plans. Satan knows God promised that entire area to Israel, and Satan knows that he can't Really defeat God (he surely has to know this) but yet Satan also knows that he can cause a lot of people go to to Hell and that's his primary goal is to cause God as much grief as he possibly can and/or destroy as many people as he can.

That's why more and more, the entire world is turning against Israel. The majority of the UN Decisions involving Israel are against Israel, the whole Islamist thing going on is against Israel, and even the USA isn't very warm towards Israel these days. Don't you find it a little funny that the vast majority of the conflict in the world today is over Israel and that section of land in the Middle East?
Riiiiight. Thanks for sharing your impressions on this.
 
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Riiiiight. Thanks for sharing your impressions on this.

Well, if you've got anything to the contrary, feel free to say it. The stuff that's happening these days is pretty much spot-on with what the Bible has been saying this whole time. Once Jesus gathers His saints from the world, the Bible makes it very clear that nobody is going to be on Israel's side and that Israel is going to once again be beset on all sides by enemies and they'll cry out to God for help and that's when they accept Jesus and He comes down and lays down the hammer on Israel's enemies. It's laid out quite well in the Bible, afterall.

But like I said, if you've got anything contrary to these views, well feel free to express em.

EDIT: I'd also like to point out that by common sense logic that any man who supports taking land away from Israel, or keeping promised land away from Israel is acting against God regardless of whether or not he realizes it. God promised that land and that promise was unconditional. He promised wars, hardships, and captivity if Israel did not follow His laws (which has happened all throughout Israel's history), but He never once made any requirements for ownership of the land. We have no right, no authority to dispute Israel's rights to these lands because God Himself said that land was Israel's. Who are we to argue against God?
 
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Well, if you've got anything to the contrary, feel free to say it. The stuff that's happening these days is pretty much spot-on with what the Bible has been saying this whole time. Once Jesus gathers His saints from the world, the Bible makes it very clear that nobody is going to be on Israel's side and that Israel is going to once again be beset on all sides by enemies and they'll cry out to God for help and that's when they accept Jesus and He comes down and lays down the hammer on Israel's enemies. It's laid out quite well in the Bible, afterall.

But like I said, if you've got anything contrary to these views, well feel free to express em.

EDIT: I'd also like to point out that by common sense logic that any man who supports taking land away from Israel, or keeping promised land away from Israel is acting against God regardless of whether or not he realizes it. God promised that land and that promise was unconditional. He promised wars, hardships, and captivity if Israel did not follow His laws (which has happened all throughout Israel's history), but He never once made any requirements for ownership of the land. We have no right, no authority to dispute Israel's rights to these lands because God Himself said that land was Israel's. Who are we to argue against God?
See, I'm looking at the situation through the lens of history, practicality and with a view to improving things. Just saying "Satan wants to destroy Israel" doesn't really strike me as the most constructive starting point from which to address the issue.
 
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See, I'm looking at the situation through the lens of history, practicality and with a view to improving things.

I'm sure every Good-Natured Christian should want to "improve things", but yet we have a Book that was penned by none other than the very Deity we worship that says we will never succeed at doing that. The Book of Revelation is pretty much God saying "I know you'd love to make the world Good and Pure, but it is impossible. This is how it is REALLY going to happen." and Revelation tells us that none other than Jesus Himself (with the Father's help) is the One that is going to "make it all better".

Just saying "Satan wants to destroy Israel" doesn't really strike me as the most constructive starting point from which to address the issue.

Maybe not "constructive", but yet at the same time... you must ask yourself -- who are you to presume that you have any power to fight against Satan? Remember who Satan was, by reading Scripture. Satan was THE Cherub that was captain over all of the other Cherubim, God's 2nd-in-Command before he got jealous of God and wound up getting thrown out of Heaven and cast down to the Earth.

Do you think any nation on Earth could possibly fight Satan and succeed? If we could, then we'd be pretty much making God a liar, because God has told us in the Bible that it will never happen, and that the only One who can defeat Satan ultimately is none other than Jesus. In fact, Jesus merely defeats him in the world and God binds him in chains underneath the world for 1,000 years before finally throwing him in the lake of fire to end sin for good.

So, I applaud your wishes to "improve things", but the Bible says you can't, no matter how much you'd love to. All of those nations over there want to grab land away from Israel, land God promised Israel. Our own government doesn't seem to recognize or care about Israel's divine right to that land. What do you think the average citizenry can do about this? There is nothing we can do but pray that His will be done, and His will is already outlined for us in the Book of Revelation.
 
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Someone with Jesus as his ally.

Really?

You do realize that Michael the Archangel wouldn't even fight Satan on his own?

Jude 1:9 tells us that Michael asked God Himself to rebuke Satan.

It isn't up to us to fight Satan. Jesus gives us the power to overcome Satan's temptations and his attacks, but He never once told us to take Satan himself on or attempt to directly oppose Satan. No, it is our charge to get people to repent and accept Christ and to live holy lives ourselves.
 
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Really?

You do realize that Michael the Archangel wouldn't even fight Satan on his own?

Jude 1:9 tells us that Michael asked God Himself to rebuke Satan.

It isn't up to us to fight Satan. Jesus gives us the power to overcome Satan's temptations and his attacks, but He never once told us to take Satan himself on or attempt to directly oppose Satan. No, it is our charge to get people to repent and accept Christ and to live holy lives ourselves.

If we as Christians believe that Jesus died and rose from the dead then we also believe the battle is already won.

The devil is already defeated, Christ defeated him. For having suffered and being raised up He is Lord and victor over sin, death, hell, the world, and the devil. All that was captive is set free, all that was lost is restored.

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"O Death, where is your sting? O Hell, where is your victory? Christ is risen, and you are overthrown. Christ is risen, and the demons are fallen. Christ is risen, and the angels rejoice. Christ is risen, and life reigns. Christ is risen, and not one dead remains in the grave. For Christ, being risen from the dead, is become the first fruits of those who have fallen asleep. To Him be glory and dominion unto ages of ages. Amen." - St. John Chrysostom, Paschal Homily

-CryptoLutheran
 
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