is Hillsong really a cult?

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Hillsong = too much money, got greedy, yea their songs are nice, and yea they hold nice conferences and also do shows ( for a price ) but for me, Jesus died for free, i don't have to pay to go See HIM, i mean yea God may be using hillsong, or he may be not, but eh whatever i'm over it... :D
I've never had to pay to attend Hillsong church. For Youth Alive didn't need a ticket either.
 
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To the above poster...you don't believe any type of rock music is "Christian"? Why not? What's wrong with praising God with a guitar and a set of drums? Do you think that modern Christians only worship God in the style of the Jews? I'm not saying this to criticize you, but I don't think that God instructed us on one style of music with which to worship Him.

I'd also be wary about describing things purely in terms of "Christian" and "non-Christian". We worship God in spirit and truth, the spirit of worship is very important and not the label we put on it. By definition, for music to be of Christian description only means it is "Christ following".

Try Life.fm some time.
 
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To the above poster...you don't believe any type of rock music is "Christian"? Why not? What's wrong with praising God with a guitar and a set of drums? Do you think that modern Christians only worship God in the style of the Jews? I'm not saying this to criticize you, but I don't think that God instructed us on one style of music with which to worship Him.

I'd also be wary about describing things purely in terms of "Christian" and "non-Christian". We worship God in spirit and truth, the spirit of worship is very important and not the label we put on it. By definition, for music to be of Christian description only means it is "Christ following".

Try Life.fm some time.

You didn't need to add in that last very rude sarcastic comment. God doesn't like rude people either.
 
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Rude and sarcastic? I was just suggesting that you try out Life.fm. I wasn't sure if you'd tried it or not. Please try not to read into my post, any kind of sarcastic tone. I'm saddened and disappointed that you are offended. I don't think it's fair of you to say that "God doesn't like rude people".

I have the utmost respect for Presbyterians and once attended a Presbyterian church where they had a great service and worship of God. I have "Institutes of the Christian Religion" by John Calvin sitting in my bedroom. Both volumes. This is not to say that all Presbyterians share your views, but I do suspect that may be part of where you were coming from.

All I was offering was my opinion and some questions based on one of your statements. It wasn't meant to be taken as any kind of rudeness, or personal attack. This is a forum, where all types of discussion are permitted and when you post something as an opinion, sometimes people will respond to that with things you agree or disagree with.

Go as you will, Lightly_hope.
 
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I've never had to pay to attend Hillsong church. For Youth Alive didn't need a ticket either.
Yes there was even a men's event that was free too recently. In addition there are also free courses available as well especially for new Christians.
 
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I wouldn't go so far as to say cult since it can be quite a relative term.... I typically consider any theology that strays from the core christian teachings (Christ the Son, the Holy Trinity, etc) as cults, so my idea of a cult would be like JW or Mormons, Unitarians, etc.

My issue with Hillsong is the fact that Brian Houston was found by the Royal Commission to have acted wrongly in regards to his fathers child sex abuse allegations (which his father actually confirmed). Brian as president of the then Assemblies of God did not report these things to the police as he was obliged to do, and did not step down at the national board meeting about his father, he was chair man of that board and the RC found that he acted in contravention of the AoG policy on pedophilia... Essentially he gave his father a retirement package and supported him with ministry money for the rest of his life and did not refer the matter to police. The victims did not get an apology or anything from the board.

I really suggest people go and read the RC submissions, specifically no 18 and another about Hillsong (can't remember the submission number). Before they go on the defensive to me and try to dismiss the situation, I actually did take the time to read the report in full and it really disturbed me, there are many other questionable things in the report about Brian's involvement that I haven't even mentioned, like the victims interaction with Brian which he allegedly said "it's your fault, you tempted my father", that he refused to help his NZ colleagues with the abuse cases relating to his dad that arose there, that his father was not infact "excommunicated from the church" as I heard his proponents say but that his fathers credentials were strip for 2 years pending determination by the church which he was then allowed to make an application for their reinstatement at the national board meeting, the fact that they offered his father counselling and a 'restoration program' contrary to their policy on pedophilia and did not offer the victim anything of the sort, etc. My point is that all these issues related to the current head pastor, Brian Houston's role in his fathers defense, Brian was president of the AoG, and acted completely inappropriately and with a conflict of interests regarding his fathers discipline which he oversaw.

This was in fact one reason (along with many others, mainly to do with theology) that I left my old church because they use Hillsong music and actively support their conferences. To me, the lack of sensitivity to the victims and accountability of Brian Houston's role disturbs me enough to steer clear.
 
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I wouldn't go so far as to say cult since it can be quite a relative term.... I typically consider any theology that strays from the core christian teachings (Christ the Son, the Holy Trinity, etc) as cults, so my idea of a cult would be like JW or Mormons, Unitarians, etc.

My issue with Hillsong is the fact that Brian Houston was found by the Royal Commission to have acted wrongly in regards to his fathers child sex abuse allegations (which his father actually confirmed). Brian as president of the then Assemblies of God did not report these things to the police as he was obliged to do, and did not step down at the national board meeting about his father, he was chair man of that board and the RC found that he acted in contravention of the AoG policy on pedophilia... Essentially he gave his father a retirement package and supported him with ministry money for the rest of his life and did not refer the matter to police. The victims did not get an apology or anything from the board.

I really suggest people go and read the RC submissions, specifically no 18 and another about Hillsong (can't remember the submission number). Before they go on the defensive to me and try to dismiss the situation, I actually did take the time to read the report in full and it really disturbed me, there are many other questionable things in the report about Brian's involvement that I haven't even mentioned, like the victims interaction with Brian which he allegedly said "it's your fault, you tempted my father", that he refused to help his NZ colleagues with the abuse cases relating to his dad that arose there, that his father was not infact "excommunicated from the church" as I heard his proponents say but that his fathers credentials were strip for 2 years pending determination by the church which he was then allowed to make an application for their reinstatement at the national board meeting, the fact that they offered his father counselling and a 'restoration program' contrary to their policy on pedophilia and did not offer the victim anything of the sort, etc. My point is that all these issues related to the current head pastor, Brian Houston's role in his fathers defense, Brian was president of the AoG, and acted completely inappropriately and with a conflict of interests regarding his fathers discipline which he oversaw.

This was in fact one reason (along with many others, mainly to do with theology) that I left my old church because they use Hillsong music and actively support their conferences. To me, the lack of sensitivity to the victims and accountability of Brian Houston's role disturbs me enough to steer clear.
In Brian Houston new book he does go into his fathers conduct and how he reacted when he first found out of his father abuse and the consequences for this. In no way he defends his fathers actions.
 
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I heard so many bad things about them, but I love their worship.

Yes, they put on quite a show. Get you feeling all warm and fuzzy inside. Then they break out the EFT terminals (spare change isn't good enough) and then you feel guilty about not donating. They don't do anything substantially charitable and are making their founders very rich. The world is full of very rich evangelists with their own tv shows living in mansions with gold toilet seats even. They use methods that are proven to get people to part with their money while making you feel good. Making them rich doesn't help you, your better to donate to a charity that does good work with the poor etc .A cult ? use some common sense and figure it out for yourself.
 
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Then they break out the EFT terminals (spare change isn't good enough) and then you feel guilty about not donating. They don't do anything substantially charitable and are making their founders very rich.

Why do people repeat stuff like this when it's blatantly untrue.

There's plenty to criticise Hillsong about, but comments like "they only take EFT" just looks silly.
 
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In Brian Houston new book he does go into his fathers conduct and how he reacted when he first found out of his father abuse and the consequences for this. In no way he defends his fathers actions.

Hey I know B Houston wouldn't support his fathers actions (that would be disgusting) but the Australian Royal Comminssion investigation has found that he acted inappropriately in executing the discipline of his father after allegations were known to him. He did not follow his own church's policy, he remained head of the disciplinary board hearing his fathers case despite the conflict of interest, he did not report the matter to the police and he did nothing and refused to help the NZ branch when multiple allegations came up there. These are just some of the questionable acts. I recommend you read the reports in full by the Royal Commission into sexual abuse in religious institutions, I believe the relevant document is submission 18a.

Please excuse me for not putting weight in the book of a man who has in the past not acted with the integrity a shepherd protecting his flock should have, you might also want to consider the fact that he's motivation for this book is to justify himself to his followers.... Not exactly an unbiased reflection on the circumstances as established by the Highest Commission in Australia....

But anyway... I recommend and objective look at the circumstances rather than just hanging on to the words of a man who has (I'm sorry) not proven himself trust worthy to the most vulnerable members of society (sex abuse victims)
 
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Yes, they put on quite a show. Get you feeling all warm and fuzzy inside. Then they break out the EFT terminals (spare change isn't good enough) and then you feel guilty about not donating. They don't do anything substantially charitable and are making their founders very rich. The world is full of very rich evangelists with their own tv shows living in mansions with gold toilet seats even. They use methods that are proven to get people to part with their money while making you feel good. Making them rich doesn't help you, your better to donate to a charity that does good work with the poor etc .A cult ? use some common sense and figure it out for yourself.
So why did I have no problem not giving then? Why did I not empty out my wallet if that is what it is designed to do?

So please list what charitable work they do.
 
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So why did I have no problem not giving then? Why did I not empty out my wallet if that is what it is designed to do?

So please list what charitable work they do.

Same. I've somehow managed to walk in and out several times and my wallet emerged unscathed.

IMO Hillsong has some issues it needs to address around their theology and the speakers they invite to conferences, to name a couple of things. But something about Hillsong seems to attract nonsense rumours like the one above
 
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Same. I've somehow managed to walk in and out several times and my wallet emerged unscathed.

IMO Hillsong has some issues it needs to address around their theology and the speakers they invite to conferences, to name a couple of things. But something about Hillsong seems to attract nonsense rumours like the one above
My biggest gripe is that I can not worship there because of the way they do the music. Way too loud. Of course every single time I have been to Hillsong I have heard dodgy teaching.
 
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I had no idea Hillsong was a Church. I thought is was only a music band. Is the Church and band from the same organization? Am i confused?

Anyway, mind if i rant a little? Im tired of hearing about churches. Im seriously turned off by the whole Catholic thing, and the whole Charismatic thing, word of faith thing, and just the whole thing in general.

I try to hold this inside but it just seems to fester. I don't want anything to do with ay Church anymore. Sorry, but that's how i feel. Lord Help me, that's how i feel
 
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I had no idea Hillsong was a Church. I thought is was only a music band. Is the Church and band from the same organization? Am i confused?

Anyway, mind if i rant a little? Im tired of hearing about churches. Im seriously turned off by the whole Catholic thing, and the whole Charismatic thing, word of faith thing, and just the whole thing in general.

I try to hold this inside but it just seems to fester. I don't want anything to do with ay Church anymore. Sorry, but that's how i feel. Lord Help me, that's how i feel

Lord have mercy! I felt that too for a long time, being born catholic, then being an atheist, then nondenominational, etc... at the moment I'm still technically churchless but after serious study and reflection I think I've found my home church. I don't want to sound preachy (God forbid I'm the last person qualified to) but the only think that has helped me find the historical, traditional and rich spiritual quality of my christian faith is the Eastern Orthodox Church.

I sincerely hope you find the spiritual life you're seeking, it's an ugly place to feel despondent over spiritual or ecclesial matters.

God bless
 
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