Complete Jewish Bible

Lady Bug said:

I am wondering if any Messianics here use this Bible.
Amazon.com: Complete Jewish Bible : An English Version of the Tanakh (Old Testament) and B'Rit Hadashah (New Testament) (9789653590182): David H. Stern: Books

If so, do you guys have some sort of study bible counterpart? The study bibles at the bookstores are basically KJV, NIV, and ESV. The least of the evils for me is the KJV but I don't know what to do. I want one for casual reading and one for study.

I have NIV and ESV at home but I no longer wish to use either of those versions.

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I distrust the NIV, but the ESV is the most readable Bible I have- except of course for the parts they left out!

I have a New King James study Bible that I like very much. The commentary is pure mainstream Christianity, but there is plenty of room to write notes and correct it! The NKJ is a lot more readable, and they did change some of the more glaring errors; for example they removed the word "Easter." If you like the KJV and want one for both study and casual reading, I'd get the NKJV.

I balance this with a Tanakh, or Jewish Study Bible for "Old Testament" studies. I get a lot out of it, but have to use a lot of discernment, obviously.

For the "New Testament" take I have "The Jewish New Testament Commentary" by David Stern. It was meant to be a companion piece to the CJB, which I don't have. But it is still a good balance to all the mainstream commentaries I have. I didn't get the CJB only because I already have a few different translations. I like using it on line, but you have to remember it is one man's translation. He did a good job, but still there is an accountability that goes with a collaborative effort.

For accuracy, I like the NASB. But it still has some of the errors common to mainstream thinking and the still pervasive Catholic influence.

Dan C

CJB has it's own 'NT' commentary - it is worth using because of its excellent cross reference system embedded in the commentary, as well as its index.

Use the Jewish Study Bible for 'OT' commentary - it uses the JPS 1985 as its base version of the 'OT'.

They are set at a level most people can use and understand.

No copy of The Book will be such that you can agree with every part of it - unless you translate from the original language yourself! It is all about finding a version that you are comfortable with and, most importantly, one that will stretch your understanding.

Avodat said:

No copy of The Book will be such that you can agree with every part of it - unless you translate from the original language yourself!

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...and even then you will find bits that don't work that well for you!

ContraMundum said:

...and even then you will find bits that don't work that well for you!

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And then the question becomes "what gets the axe"?
My own beautiful right eye minded dogma or the Truth?

ContraMundum said:

...and even then you will find bits that don't work that well for you!

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So true. Even if Yeshua came in person to open up his Word, I bet there would be those on here who would argue with his interpretation!!!

I have a couple of bibles...

first general reading i use 'the voice' - link here, which is a very interesting bible for its layout features and syle of composition.

for other reading i use a CJB (which i do like but have problems with as for study I prefer something more formal with less paraphrasing features, which in my opinion puts the CJB slightly above the NIV).

for study purposes i tend to use a NKJV (which i have always liked) but I always, repeat always fall back on interlinears at any given opportunity, at least until my hebrew and greek reach passable levels).

lastly, i have a copy of the delitzsch hebrew/english gospels courtesy of First Fruits of Zion which I recommend to everyone - here's the link.



Steve

Lady Bug said:

I am wondering if any Messianics here use this Bible.
Amazon.com: Complete Jewish Bible : An English Version of the Tanakh (Old Testament) and B'Rit Hadashah (New Testament) (9789653590182): David H. Stern: Books
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If so, do you guys have some sort of study bible counterpart? The study bibles at the bookstores are basically KJV, NIV, and ESV. The least of the evils for me is the KJV but I don't know what to do. I want one for casual reading and one for study.

I have NIV and ESV at home but I no longer wish to use either of those versions.

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No I do not use it for one very simple reason: Sterns puts his commentary within the text of scripture rather than in a footnote or sidebar. Even when I agree with his comments (which I do much of the time) to me it does damage to the text to place it there.

If you want a really good Messianic friendly translation get the Tree of Life version. It is quite new and is as accurate (in the NT) to the original Greek as the NASB is. So it is much closer than either the KJV or ESV.

https://www.logos.com/product/46265/holy-scriptures-tree-of-life-version

http://www.amazon.com/Messianic-Jew...=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1444325865&sr=1-2



BTW - if you look up and buy the Psalms as a stand-alone, you will get commentary on each Psalm from Rabbis Glenn Blank, Jeffry Sief and Paul Wilbur. (Yeah - THAT Paul Wilbur)

DaveW-Ohev said:

No I do not use it for one very simple reason: Sterns puts his commentary within the text of scripture rather than in a footnote or sidebar. Even when I agree with his comments (which I do much of the time) to me it does damage to the text to place it there.

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He has interesting commentary to be sure, but he tends to go overboard with two house references.

DaveW-Ohev said:

If you want a really good Messianic friendly translation get the Tree of Life version. It is quite new and is as accurate (in the NT) to the original Greek as the NASB is. So it is much closer than either the KJV or ESV.

https://www.logos.com/product/46265/holy-scriptures-tree-of-life-version

http://www.amazon.com/Messianic-Jew...=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1444325865&sr=1-2

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Yeah, I'm yet to check that one out. I'll look into it but it doesn't look like all that much of a translation on the surface.

I bought the "Messianic Jewish Shared Heritage" Bible which appears to have the NT "Tree of Life" translation (and JPS TNK) and felt completely ripped off. Just another "cash-in-on-the-trends" capitalist greed accumulation product. Not all that good. If I'm correct I'm not sure I'd recommend the whole canon done by those translators as it really is low on substance.

DaveW-Ohev said:

No I do not use it for one very simple reason: Sterns puts his commentary within the text of scripture rather than in a footnote or sidebar. Even when I agree with his comments (which I do much of the time) to me it does damage to the text to place it there.

If you want a really good Messianic friendly translation get the Tree of Life version. It is quite new and is as accurate (in the NT) to the original Greek as the NASB is. So it is much closer than either the KJV or ESV.

https://www.logos.com/product/46265/holy-scriptures-tree-of-life-version

http://www.amazon.com/Messianic-Jew...=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1444325865&sr=1-2

BTW - if you look up and buy the Psalms as a stand-alone, you will get commentary on each Psalm from Rabbis Glenn Blank, Jeffry Sief and Paul Wilbur. (Yeah - THAT Paul Wilbur)

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You can download or access the TLV here

This is what they say about it

Not a true Hebrew translation in my view, they have translated alma as virgin. And the very beginning obscures what happened more than other English versions. A shame

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
2 Now the earth was chaos and waste, darkness was on the surface of the deep, and the Ruach Elohim was hovering upon the surface of the water.
3 Then God said, “Let there be light!” and there was light.
4 God saw that the light was good. So God distinguished the light from the darkness.

Compare with the KJV

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.


tohu and bohu could have been translated much clearer, hovering and moving are not the same thing, Let there be is indicative of it being withheld instead the text really says 'Be light!' it is a command. and the word 'now' is not there at all.
Distinguished is far from divided which I believe that outside of salvation of mankind is the basic premise of the bible, of separateness Holy and unholy. By saying G-d distinguished the light from the darkness sounds like 'Oh! I can tell the difference between light and dark!"

Lady Bug said:

I am wondering if any Messianics here use this Bible.
Amazon.com: Complete Jewish Bible : An English Version of the Tanakh (Old Testament) and B'Rit Hadashah (New Testament) (9789653590182): David H. Stern: Books

If so, do you guys have some sort of study bible counterpart? The study bibles at the bookstores are basically KJV, NIV, and ESV. The least of the evils for me is the KJV but I don't know what to do. I want one for casual reading and one for study.

I have NIV and ESV at home but I no longer wish to use either of those versions.

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Do you have an example of how it renders Mark 12:36?

Mar 12:36 For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The LORD said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.

justlookinla said:

Do you have an example of how it renders Mark 12:36?

Mar 12:36 For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The LORD said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.

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You can look up any verse you'd like by going here

This is the CJB translation of that verse

36 David himself, inspired by the Ruach HaKodesh, said, `ADONAI said to my Lord, "Sit here at my right hand until I put your enemies under your feet." '

I have many different Bibles.

I have several study Bibles, one of which contains Hebrew, Greek and two English translations, which is pretty cool. However that is not the one I read from most frequently.

I love YLT but find it hard to read at length. To me, YLT is even more eloquent than KJV (and that's a big compliment) but I find it slightly hard to really get what's being said sometimes in YLT.

For more casual purposes however I like to read from my Peshitta/Aramaic Bibles (translations), from my Weymouth or from the KJV. I don't have a physical NIV, but if I did I would probably use that one a lot.