Why do people believe in a Rapture?

Short Timer · Oct 9, 2015

Riberra said:
The truth is that UNTO HIS COMING mentioned in the epistle to the Thessalonians mean Jesus second coming -Parousia-.
Jesus first coming was 2,000 years ago.

Nowhere in the Bible it is said that Jesus will come BEFORE the Tribulation.For the reason given above.

Ro 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son,

If you're going to follow in Jesus footsteps, or conform to his image, here's what going happen to you at the time of the rapture.

Ac 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.

And were do we go.

Joh 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

And when do we go??

There's several reasons, but the most important one is that when Jesus came he stopped God from finishing the 70 weeks with Israel,

So Jesus (HG) will have to be "taken out of the way" before God can even start to finish the last week of Daniels prophecy.

God used the law and prophets, enforcing the law on the spot, and signs and wonders to lead Israel, and without them, "Jews won't believe",

But Jesus won't give them the signs they "require" to believe, and worse yet, he don't/won't enforce the law, "on the spot" as God required of them.

Under the law, the woman caught in adultery should have been stoned to death, but Jesus didn't "keep the law" in their minds,

there's no way he could be the Messiah and not keep God's law or give them the signs they had become accustomed too,

And that made Jesus a "Stumbling block" to Israel, "blinding their eyes" as to who Jesus really was, "GOD", "in the flesh".

And for the same reason Daniels prophecy and the law had to stop when Jesus came, Jesus/church will have to stop before the law can return,

scripture refers to that as the "Fulness of the Gentiles", the "HE" (comforter/HG) taken out of the way", those people going to the Son's wedding that Israel rejected the invitation, and Jesus "removing" both dead/living from the earth, and confirming the covenant with many for one week,

or what is commonly known as the Rapture.

The world can't be under the law and under Grace from the law, at the same time, Jesus and his Grace stopped the law and until Grace stops (rapture) the law can't return, as it will during the trib.

That's why Israel is blinded until the fulness of the Gentiles when God goes back to dealing with Israel "under the law" and with signs and wonders.

This Jesus/Messiah the church knows is not the same Messiah Israel expects to come at the second coming,

Jesus/church was a mystery not revealed them, and the rapture is a separate coming for all the reasons above that was never revealed to them either.

Jews know about the second coming but that is not referring to the rapture coming.

Postvieww · Oct 9, 2015

iamlamad said:
Nowhere in the Bible REally? That is only your opinion and it is WRONG. What you really means is YOU CAN'T FIND IT.
the truth is, IT IS in the bible, and I found it. The fact is, Jesus will come as a thief when He comes FOR His saints AND when He comes WITH His saints.

I use many versions. At times I think the first versions translated into English are the best. AT other times I like the Amplified. But I carry with me the New King James. There are things I don't like about it either. But it gets rid of the Olde English.

Paul made it very clear, if we are absent from our body, we are present with the Lord. MANY people who have gone to heaven and was sent back have proven this true. Yes, of course all who have died with their names written in the BOOK are in heaven now. Where else would they be?

What rapture scripture says Jesus will come as a thief for the church? Reference please.

Bro.T · Oct 9, 2015

iamlamad said:
"All over the Book, we see Jesus coming to the earth. Nowhere do we see where he's going to take man to heaven." how amazing, you begin your post with falsehood. What you mean is, "Nowhere do I see where he's going to take man to heaven." pretribbers have NO PROBLEM seeing us being taken to the places He went to prepare for us. Sorry, but my mansion is in HEAVEN, it is not in Jerusalem.

Next, you can't see the rapture, either in the New Testament or in the Old Testament because you have thick PRECONCEIVED glasses on. Again, pretribbers have no problem seeing it.

If you wish to be left behind, that is your business. If you wish to see the Beast and lose your head, that is your business. I personally believe God will honor that belief and leave you behind to get your wish. You will certainly remember these posts you have made, when you are left behind WONDERING why the Bride is gone and you are left behind. Just remember, preconceptions are just like blinders. If I were in your place I would camp out on Luke 21:36

Well...looks like you will be left behind...because the Lord say in Revelation 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name. I quoted this verse for the people who read this, no need to convince you, you made it clear where you want to be.

iamlamad · Oct 9, 2015

Short Timer said:
The trib is full of signs and wonders, right from the very start of the AC on his white horse and signs and wonders, not to mention the signs and wonders of two witnesses, plus the false prophet calling fire down from heaven.

Where is Jesus and the church during all of this???

And why is it Jesus won't give signs and wonder but God will?????

Sorry, but JESUS IS GOD! Stop trying to make them separate.

Jesus and the church (the bride of Christ: a part of "the church" not left behind) will be IN HEAVEN.

Perhaps you could say it this way: there will be many supernatural events take place during the 70th week of Daniel. SOME of them will be God's doing.

iamlamad · Oct 9, 2015

tanzel said:
Well...looks like you will be left behind...because the Lord say in Revelation 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name. I quoted this verse for the people who read this, no need to convince you, you made it clear where you want to be.

You can stay confused if you wish to. The holy city will NOT COME DOWN until after the 1000 year reign of Christ. From rapture time up to the end of the 1000 year reign, I will have a home in heaven. And it will be in the New Jerusalem.

iamlamad · Oct 9, 2015

Postvieww said:
What rapture scripture says Jesus will come as a thief for the church? Reference please.

15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
5 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.

2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

HOW does the Day of the Lord come? It comes when HE comes. The DAY comes as a thief because HE comes as a thief. He will come at a time when people are saying "peace and safety." He will come when people are NOT expecting Him.

Revelation 3:3
...I will come on thee as a thief...
Revelation 16:15
Behold, I come as a thief...

iamlamad · Oct 9, 2015

Short Timer said:
And Mary was John's Mother, or Jesus was hallucinating on the cross telling John,

Joh 19:26 When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son!

27 Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.

Or he meant something you don't understand.

What on EARTH does this have to do with John being called up to heaven to be shown things to write in a book so WE could read it? Is that just one more sidestep?

I know, you and a million others that don't understand where the rapture really is in Revelation must CREATE one out of imagination: from Rev. 4:1. Sorry, but the TIMING of Rev. 4:1 was about 95 AD. On the other hand, the 6th seal is STILL AHEAD OF US. The timing of the rapture at the 6th seal fits perfectly. Only John did not see it so did not write about it. What we DO see in the raptured church in heaven right after the 6th seal.

Short Timer · Oct 9, 2015

iamlamad said:
Sorry, but JESUS IS GOD! Stop trying to make them separate.

Jas 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil,

Mt 4:1 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.

Best learn the difference between Jesus and God (Trinity) if you plan on understanding the scripture,

Short Timer · Oct 9, 2015

iamlamad said:
What on EARTH does this have to do with John being called up to heaven to be shown things to write in a book so WE could read it? Is that just one more sidestep?

Since you don't understand the "Trinity" I understand why you don't recognize any difference between the OT and NT, or the Church and the trib.

Do you know what the "Good Samaritan" parable has to do with the church??
That "good Samaritan" prefigure Christians, the Samaritan woman at the well prefigures the Gentiles church/bride of Christ,

and the Good Samaritan helped the "Jew" who had been robbed/beat after two of his own people had left him laying in the road, The parable tells Christians to look out/help Jews/Israel whenever they can.

Abraham is known as the "Father of us all", Mary gave birth to the Man child, Jesus, She is the "MOTHER" of Christ and "Christianity", John was told this, and being a prefigure of the church, and being the Good Samaritan Christian he was, took Mary into his own home and looked after her.

Joh 19:27 Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.

John wasn't actually a Samaritan Gentile, except in "prefigure".

And begin a prefigure of the church/Christians, John went to heaven before the first seal was opened,

the "HE" (HG/Church) taken out of the way before the AC is even revealed.

I know, you and a million others that don't understand where the rapture really is in Revelation must CREATE one out of imagination: from Rev. 4:1. Sorry, but the TIMING of Rev. 4:1 was about 95 AD. On the other hand, the 6th seal is STILL AHEAD OF US. The timing of the rapture at the 6th seal fits perfectly. Only John did not see it so did not write about it. What we DO see in the raptured church in heaven right after the 6th seal.

I think you're the "first" I've come across that believes the trib doesn't start until the 7th seal.
and believe me, I've ran into some stories that Hollywood couldn't dream up.

69 weeks, 483 years of Daniels prophecy has passed, there's only 7 years left, but you have it occurring for over two thousand years and still counting.

Postvieww · Oct 9, 2015

iamlamad said:
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
5 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.

2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

HOW does the Day of the Lord come? It comes when HE comes. The DAY comes as a thief because HE comes as a thief. He will come at a time when people are saying "peace and safety." He will come when people are NOT expecting Him.

Revelation 3:3
...I will come on thee as a thief...
Revelation 16:15
Behold, I come as a thief...

1 Thess 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.

2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. Are you saying the day of the Lord is the day of the pretrib rapture?

3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. The Lord does not come for the church as a thief.

5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.

7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.

8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.

9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, Rev 3:3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee. The Lord is not coming for a ready and watching church as a thief.

Rev 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame. This is near the battle of Armageddon and the 7th trumpet,long after the pretrib rapture you claim . Surely you didn't mean to use this scripture to prove the Lord comes for the church as thief.

16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done. Do you have any other scriptures these did not answer the question?

Riberra · Oct 9, 2015

iamlamad said:
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
5 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.

2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

HOW does the Day of the Lord come? It comes when HE comes. The DAY comes as a thief because HE comes as a thief. He will come at a time when people are saying "peace and safety." He will come when people are NOT expecting Him.

Revelation 3:3
...I will come on thee as a thief...
Revelation 16:15
Behold, I come as a thief...

Unto the coming of the Lord = PAROUSIA =When Jesus will return phisycally on the Earth to RULE as the KING of Kings.
LITERATURE

I. The Apostolic Doctrine.

1. Terms:

The Second Coming of Christ (a phrase not found in the Bible) is expressed by the apostles in the following special terms:

(1) "Parousia" (parousia), a word fairly common in Greek, with the meaning "presence" (2 Corinthians 10:10; Philippians 2:12). More especially it may mean "presence after absence," "arrival" (but not "return," unless this is given by the context), as in 1 Corinthians 16:17; 2 Corinthians 7:6,7; Philippians 1:26. And still more particularly it is applied to the Coming of Christ in 1 Corinthians 15:23; 1 Thessalonians 2:19; 3:13; 4:15; 5:23; 2 Thessalonians 2:1,8; James 5:7,8; 2 Peter 1:16; 3:4,12; 1 John 2:28--in all 13 times, besides 2 Thessalonians 2:9, where it denotes the coming of Anti-christ. This word for Christ's Second Coming passed into the early Patristic literature (Diognetus, vii.6, e.g.), but its use in this sense is not invariable. For instance the word in Ignatius, Philadelphians, ix.2, means the Incarnation. Or the Incarnation is called the first Parousia, as in Justin, Trypho, xiv. But in modern theology it means invariably the Second Coming.
More
http://www.biblestudytools.com/dictionary/parousia/

Short Timer · Oct 9, 2015

Postvieww said:
1 Corin 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

1 Thess 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

1 Corin the Lord doesn't shout. 1 Thess He does. 1 Corin no voice of archangel. 1 Thess archangel voice. 1 Corin no one rises to the air. 1 Thess meeting in the air Using the method of rightly dividing scripture put forth by some on this forum we should be able to conclude 1 Corin 15 and 1 Thess 4 are different events. Or can we make
exceptions if it helps our cause? Can someone clear this up for me.

Find the time to sit down and read all four Gospels without stopping.

You'll find that each time the same event is described, it is described from a different perspective, and you'll have information about each events that wasn't given in the other books.

You can't do that reading part today, part tomorrow, everything has got to be "Fresh" in your mind from the previous book.

Short Timer · Oct 9, 2015

Riberra said:
Unto the coming of the Lord = PAROUSIA =When Jesus will return phisycally on the Earth to RULE as the KING of Kings.
LITERATURE

I. The Apostolic Doctrine.

1. Terms:

The Second Coming of Christ (a phrase not found in the Bible) is expressed by the apostles in the following special terms:

(1) "Parousia" (parousia), a word fairly common in Greek, with the meaning "presence" (2 Corinthians 10:10; Philippians 2:12). More especially it may mean "presence after absence," "arrival" (but not "return," unless this is given by the context), as in 1 Corinthians 16:17; 2 Corinthians 7:6,7; Philippians 1:26. And still more particularly it is applied to the Coming of Christ in 1 Corinthians 15:23; 1 Thessalonians 2:19; 3:13; 4:15; 5:23; 2 Thessalonians 2:1,8; James 5:7,8; 2 Peter 1:16; 3:4,12; 1 John 2:28--in all 13 times, besides 2 Thessalonians 2:9, where it denotes the coming of Anti-christ. This word for Christ's Second Coming passed into the early Patristic literature (Diognetus, vii.6, e.g.), but its use in this sense is not invariable. For instance the word in Ignatius, Philadelphians, ix.2, means the Incarnation. Or the Incarnation is called the first Parousia, as in Justin, Trypho, xiv. But in modern theology it means invariably the Second Coming.
More
http://www.biblestudytools.com/dictionary/parousia/

Jesus second coming is "Everywhere" in the scripture, there's no "MYSTERY" about the "Second coming".

Did Paul write a lie in saying he would show a "MYSTERY" coming of Jesus that no one knew about???

1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

Short Timer · Oct 9, 2015

iamlamad said:
One of several verses:

Psalm 69:28
Let them be blotted out of the book of the living, And not be written with the righteous.

Read it: Names can be blotted out.

Re 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

The dead (unsaved) were judge out of the books, not the book of life, they had never been written there.

There was a born again lady. But this born again lady was a thief. We'll call her "Sue." She had a friend that worked in a pharmacy. When she wanted or needed a prescription, she would ask her friend to steal for her. You see, this lady thought there was a difference between "big" sins and "little" sins and thought her sin was "little" and God would overlook it.

And there was a person who didn't give themselves a good "Self Examination", but wanted to participate in the Lord Supper anyway, and being a backslider, it cost them their life.

1Co 11:26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.

27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
30 For this cause many are (Spiritually) weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. (dead)

31 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.

32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.

God only chasten "his own".

If she had repented, she would be in heaven instead of hell.

Is the wages of sin repenting or death???
People die everyday "Unexpectedly" in accidents with sins they haven't yet confessed.

Do all of them go to hell too???

Moral of this story? SIN can never get into heaven. Jesus died and paid the penalty for all sin, by shedding His blood. But God requires people to REPENT of sin.

That why scripture says to be "perfect", Just like God, if you have been saved, you are "perfect", just like God,

Jesus has paid for the sins of the whole world, beginning to end, and that includes any sins you might commit after having been saved.

Mt 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Moral of this story: If you are someone who can get really really angry, DON'T HAVE A GUN! And always remember, UNFORGIVENESS CANNOT be forgiven. Believers CANNOT live in unforgiveness and hope to get to heaven.

Same way God only chastise his own, he don't send his own to hell either, even if you get so far away from God and forget your sins "were purged", and even if God must turn your "body of sin" over to Satan for it's destruction, the soul is still save,

Eternal salvation means "Eternal".

2Pe 1:9 But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.

Back to the Rapture.

BABerean2 · Oct 9, 2015

iamlamad said:
It is a good thing God's GRACE is greater than yours! You see, there are people that GOD LOVES that still think they are under the Old Covenant! God wants those people saved. His love is far greater than yours. He is going AFTER THEM in a way they WILL believe.

By the way, there are many obsolete things STILL BEING USED today. The bible shows us that God will indeed use the Old Covenant again. Get over it!

You are arguing with the scripture, not with me.

In the allegory of Galatians chapter 4 the Apostle Paul makes it clear that those who hold onto the Old Covenant will not be heir with those of the New Covenant of Christ.

Gal 4:22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by a slave woman and one by a free woman.

Gal 4:23 But the son of the slave was born according to the flesh, while the son of the free woman was born through promise.

Gal 4:24 Now this may be interpreted allegorically: these women are two covenants. One is from Mount Sinai, bearing children for slavery; she is Hagar.

Gal 4:25 Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia; she corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children.

Gal 4:26 But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother.

Gal 4:27 For it is written, "Rejoice, O barren one who does not bear; break forth and cry aloud, you who are not in labor! For the children of the desolate one will be more than those of the one who has a husband."

Gal 4:28 Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise.

Gal 4:29 But just as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so also it is now.

Gal 4:30 But what does the Scripture say? "Cast out the slave woman and her son, for the son of the slave woman shall not inherit with the son of the free woman."
(Paul is saying we are to cast out the Old Covenant and that those who follow it will not inherit the kingdom.)

Gal 4:31 So, brothers, we are not children of the slave but of the free woman.

The Old Covenant was put in place because of sin, until the seed would come.

That Seed is Christ.

He is the only way of Salvation.

The covenant mediated by Moses is finished.

Heb 8:8 For he finds fault with them when he says: "Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will establish a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah,

Heb 8:9 not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt. For they did not continue in my covenant, and so I showed no concern for them, declares the Lord.
(They broke the if-then covenant.)

There is no Plan B.

Riberra · Oct 9, 2015

Short Timer said:
Jesus second coming is "Everywhere" in the scripture, there's no "MYSTERY" about the "Second coming".

Did Paul write a lie in saying he would show a "MYSTERY" coming of Jesus that no one knew about???

1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

We ie those in Christ alive and remain shall all be changed at the same moment that the dead in Christ will resurrect, this will happen UNTO THE COMING OF THE LORD after the Tribulation of those days = The Parousia.

http://www.biblestudytools.com/dictionary/parousia/

Postvieww · Oct 9, 2015

Short Timer said:
Find the time to sit down and read all four Gospels without stopping.

You'll find that each time the same event is described, it is described from a different perspective, and you'll have information about each events that wasn't given in the other books.

You can't do that reading part today, part tomorrow, everything has got to be "Fresh" in your mind from the previous book.

Thank you Short Timer. This is the first post of yours that I agree with every word. You've just made a point I've made several times on this and other threads. I have posted about the differences in the way the four gospels describe the superscriptions on the cross. The different perspectives on the birth of Christ. I raised these points to show that just because different passages on the the return of Christ have different details mentioned or left out, we can not use that as proof to say this is a different coming. I know this was not your intent, but never the less you've made my point. As you should know by now I believe there is only one remaining coming of the Lord. All passages referring to His return are to the one and only second coming after the tribulation. I've stated many times we should look for the things in a passage that are alike not build doctrine on the things that are not identical. Again thanks for the post.

Psalm3704 · Oct 9, 2015

BABerean2 said:
The Old Covenant was put in place because of sin, until the seed would come.

That Seed is Christ.

He is the only way of Salvation.

You're all wrong, so terribly wrong. You need to continue to keep the 10 commandments as part of your salvation. You've mistaken the works Paul spoke of. He was addressing the works of the law, never was Paul referring to works involving the 10 commandments. You need to know the difference, because saying a sinner's prayer does not get you save.

Jesus also said you must keep the commandments.

Matthew 19:16-22 NKJV
16 Now behold, one came and said to Him, “Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?”

17 So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”

18 He said to Him, “Which ones?” Jesus said, “‘You shall not murder,’ ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ ‘You shall not steal,’ ‘You shall not bear false witness,’ 19 ‘Honor your father and your mother, and, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ 20 The young man said to Him, “All these things I have kept from my youth. What do I still lack?”

21 Jesus said to him, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell what you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.” 22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful, for he had great possessions.

BABerean2 said:
The covenant mediated by Moses is finished.

There is no Plan B.

Again, the 10 commandment is not finished, you must keep it. Jesus said He did NOT come to abolish the law but to fulfill it by showing us how to properly follow the old laws by follow His new law: love others as yourself.

Matthew 5:17-20 NKJV
17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. 19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.

He also said no one is going to heaven that is not righteous. So much for praying the sinner's prayer and think you're eternally saved. No such thing as easy-believism. Do you want to go to heaven? Practise Plan B: obey and do all His commandments in both the old and new testaments.

Little advice from me to you BAB2. You might want to start hanging around the salvation forum and learn about it. Is your soul worth the time there?

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dad · Oct 10, 2015

Short Timer said:
Jesus second coming is "Everywhere" in the scripture, there's no "MYSTERY" about the "Second coming".

Did Paul write a lie in saying he would show a "MYSTERY" coming of Jesus that no one knew about???

1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

Good point.

dad · Oct 10, 2015

Psalm3704 said:
You're all wrong, so terribly wrong. You need to continue to keep the 10 commandments as part of your salvation.
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Ha.

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