Biblical and other support for those Hurting badly!

Jeshu · Sep 16, 2015

One of the greatest help in my understanding of Scripture was that the bible is a spiritual book. It exposes and judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart Hebrews 4:12-13 teaches.

The reality that I was in God and He in me and that He knew me completely came in seven thunders.

Revelation 10:3-4

and he gave a loud shout like the roar of a lion. When he shouted, the voices of the seven thunders spoke. And when the seven thunders spoke, I was about to write; but I heard a voice from heaven say, “Seal up what the seven thunders have said and do not write it down.”

I understand why John would get instructed not to write it down. It is totally private stuff, but you best be prepared to meet up with God, for true, God is love, but more! He is the truth of everything you have ever done! Please understand that housing God has profound impact on your spirit. Life in lies perishes that is what these thunders are all about. :pray:

However once I knew I could worship The Lord in the Great Assembly whenever I had the need, and the realisation of what inside me was missing and who was included had me jumping up and down from joy forever. I never knew I had that many kids - or rather past me's. So exuberant joy for good life but miserable doom for bad life. For in the spirit of the deed we are judged. So if I had hit someone in raging hateful anger, I would awake in that spirituality and be punished for what I did that time of the day. (unless I had repented of my raging hateful anger, though hateful rage is still done away with.) The Lord is completely just only the guilty is zeroed in on and judged for what I did in that 'spirit of being,' just like Hebrews 4:12 says.

It is so good to get rid of our bad lives when we are saved in Him, but so much in my faith life had life in lies, such perished miserably over a seven year period of time.

Life is but a breath is so true brothers and sisters. You set yourself to task but you have already forgotten who and what ruled you 50 minutes ago, we change our spirituality constantly. Each moment we have spirituality down here is recorded by God and in God. That is what it is all about. Out of our hearts well spiritual realities - and if these spiritualities are from God's loving truth then such life within is eternalised - if they are not? Then they perish when they breath their last.

Now on the day of the resurrection - past life comes back to life again, Daniel 12:1-2 explains this process in detail. (also about the seven thunders.)

“At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people—everyone whose name is found written in the book—will be delivered. Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.

As Daniel points out such are terrible times for the living, when we long to die but we cannot find death, where we have to face our own mortality over against God's immortality, truly He is an consuming fire, we best be prepared to find our true self back again. It is incredible how well God knows us and how well He knows those wicked gnashing their teeth because they were excluded from life, even though they had once ruled it.

I have learned to love Scripture, even when He punishes He is completely just, no one will ever be able to fault God in how He deals with us.

Malachi 3:5
So I will come to put you on trial. I will be quick to testify against sorcerers, adulterers and perjurers, against those who defraud laborers of their wages, who oppress the widows and the fatherless, and deprive the foreigners among you of justice, but do not fear me,” says the Lord Almighty.

Jeshu · Sep 17, 2015

Zion Descending

At first I heard Dad say,
"Son let us make tracks,
its near getting dark now,
the chosen are all asleep,
now would be best,
as darkness reigns its peak,
for arrogance has him blinded,
to what is really going on."

I saw the sunlight darkened,
the moon turn to blood,
and the stars falling from Heaven.
I felt everything shaking in its boots.
I heard about wars and rumours of wars.
I experienced famine and drought,
grand scale living in wantonness,
rulers making a living out of sin,
Satan's forces installed everywhere,
loveless forces ruling untruthfully.

I heard my inner world crying out in her dying pain,
"What is going on?
The Father is leaving us without the Son,
this can only evil mean."
I heard the angels blow the trumpets!
"Woe to the inhabitants of this soul!"

I heard the agonising cries,
coming from underneath the altar,
the dead in God's love, longingly,
awaiting newness of life!
"Yes, oh Lord, pour out their blood as they did ours!"

I heard the thunders rolling throughout my being,
"Let evil brood fear The Truth of God almighty!
Let judgement begin in The House of God!"

I knew judgement had already began,
when I beheld those massive hails stones,
tumbling down on the heads of the wicked.
I watched my enemies flee in terror!
Scorpion stings burning wrong,
horse hooves kicking up dirt,
truthfulness uncovering shame,
honesty baring nakedness,
the dung of the earth warring,
lies sores causing agony,
pestilence threatening,
as grasshoppers devoured,
my enemies food and good life!

It was fascinating to see,
how weak those are...,
.....so strong in lies!

Yes, honest!
Loving truth is like that!
The freedom to be,
true to yourself,
both in good and bad,
in His love to be.

Oh the release of faith!
Heart rendering awe!
Shouts of glorious praise!
Jumping joy - pure ecstasy!
Glorying in God almighty,
my life's tormentors died,
perishing one after the other.

Seeing Jesus on His white horse,
a blazing sword coming out of His mouth,
His all conquering loving truth
my inner world of being to reap.
Casting dead what is so good to have gone,
raising alive that which I had lost,
bringing new life at each dawn,
His kingdom ruling my world of being,
His presence bringing rest and peace.

Time and again He comes past like this,
(terrorising the wicked agonising their mates demise,)
as all His wheels turn into place.
The Word alive in heavenly love.
Costly gifts descending from above.
beholding the temple of the most high,
the truth of His love Himself my Zion.

Tempura · Sep 17, 2015

Jeshu said:
The reality that I was in God and He in me and that He knew me completely came in seven thunders.

God is love, but more! He is the truth of everything you have ever done! Please understand that housing God has profound impact on your spirit.

It is incredible how well God knows us and how well He knows those wicked gnashing their teeth because they were excluded from life, even though they had once ruled it.

I'd like to hear more about your thoughts on these things. Others would probably too.

What were the realizations like? What things did you conclude? Explain like you would to a child, if you don't mind.

Jeshu · Sep 17, 2015

Tempura said:
I'd like to hear more about your thoughts on these things. Others would probably too.

What were the realizations like? What things did you conclude? Explain like you would to a child, if you don't mind.

Dear brother it is difficult to put into words what happens spiritually and not only that, I don't think it is wise to reveal what the thunders said, I think it is different for everybody what realisations come and do when the truth is revealed within. What I do know is that the word of God is true and utterly faithful in guiding us to meet Him.

John 14:15-24
“If you love me, keep my commands. And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you. I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you. Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love them and show myself to them.”

Then Judas (not Judas Iscariot) said, “But, Lord, why do you intend to show yourself to us and not to the world?”

Jesus replied, “Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them. Anyone who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me.

When Christ and His Father are revealed then the Word begins to speak its truths spiritually.

Think it about like this, all of a sudden you meet Life Himself, and everybody that is within Him - all existence - from the beginning to the end. Including yourself from birth to the present and beyond, you yourself in your entirety, but life in lies isn’t there any more, those parts in self are excluded, including all life in wicked deeds. So in an instant you see and know everything that is there to know, all questions receive answers, all darkness becomes light, all good is fully available. You are present in God and God in you - in a moment of oneness that cannot be described or accurately spoken off, His love and goodness is beyond words.

All of this happens to you (your whole inner household of faith) who has faith in God and has diligently searched after Him and tried hard to comply to His love command, but to my shock horror - here come the thunders - other parts of myself were not present. In my sexuality I was still stuck with much sin and misery, I often doubted God and His Word, and I had a lot of life in unbelief, I was often very selfish and dishonest and greedy too. I had much life in sinful spirituality, such as doubt, guilt, shame, hopelessness, despair, lust, envy, impatience, arrogance, pride and fear. In my self-righteousness and religious self and in my worldly self, I wasn't present - effectively had been divided into two. One was taken-up and one was left behind.

Matthew 24:36-41

“But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.

For 42 months I trampled the outer court of the temple with this spirituality, bringing all the plaques of the bible upon myself

But exclude the outer court; do not measure it, because it has been given to the Gentiles. They will trample on the holy city for 42 months.

All of that life in me died a miserable death - though I myself was (and am) saved from that one by one. The wheels of truth cycle on.

And not only that - the wicked hiding behind all my sins were revealed.

The accuser in my conscience turned into a terrible dragon trying to stop me from going on with Jesus. That I had been serving the dragon as god and that he was the abomination spoken about by Daniel and Jesus.

The false prophet lied to my mind non stop to try and confuse me about God's truth. The false prophet was that force that always speculated about God's truth and predicted God's doom on me the lost sinner trying to break free, unless I would serve the dragon.

The great prostitute was revealed, the temptress riding on the dragons back. She led me astray through my desires and both in my worldly/fleshly life and in my religious life owned and controlled me. The great prostitute is unfaithfulness itself that is how you recognise her.

The lawless one, this big stuck up arrogant part within myself where I self-righteously thought I was going to heaven because I was better than others, and chosen instead of them, was struck down the day Jesus was revealed and died a miserable ending.

In My last I

i heard and saw
for myself
what big I's
do best,
replying first
to Heaven's questions.

i heard and saw,
"Me!! Yes, I..!"
answering triumphantly,
ignoring the rest of me,
self-importance rising proudly,
“I.., I.., I..,
yes.., ME!”

i had heard and seen,
“Who is first?
Who deserves to be in Heaven?
Who earned the power, glory and honour over here?
Who is more important?
Who deserves the crown?
Who wants to live forever?”

i heard and saw
that there was
no room
for the rest
of myself,
nor anyone else,
either!

i heard and saw
merely a
swollen ego
boasting
arrogantly
I am
best!

i heard and saw
a marvellous Light
decent from Heaven,
screaming,
my big I lit-up
from hair to toe
aflame!

i heard and saw
in The End
a final tiny
flame flickering,
my big I
blazed out
for good!

i heard and saw
much better
after i had
that 'hiccup'
going up
tho'

Honest it is utterly disgusting what the wicked do to life and there is nothing better than being set free of the powers of the air by Christ dwelling within.

So yes it is hard to be to words how it all went but I have concluded that God is the word and that we get to know Him when we heed the living word within us and let Him set us free from our sins and misery.

To love God and your neighbour - as well as yourself - and all good Creation is the key to meeting up with Jesus for only in the truth of divine love can we find Him.

I hope I made some sense brother.

Meeting Jesus.

Inability to change forces me to look Jesus in the eye.
The blushing shame from my own nakedness creeps.
Lucky I know the accuser is merely the father of the lie.
Well now a harvest this fallen angel reaps.
Come see the weeds inside my heart to be burnt!

"Can you remember times of wanton greed?"
Awakened, I hear my faithful Saviour speak
"When you hated from my love to feed?"
In His kind words the fire of His mercy peaks,
I watch my greed tumble out of my psyche.

A fiery ending is the best way to illustrate,
the fate my inner greed meets on his tailspin out.
Utterly rejected and in a most miserable state.
Clear knowledge what his punishment is about,
This past ruler is stripped of his powers.

"Those times you in selfishness did feed?"
The perspicacity of His view zeros in.
His voice gentle, sounding so sweet.
Still I watch my biggest I crumble within.
Tumbling down the tunnel without ending.

"But my beloved child why did you follow?"
His urgent words bring me back from sure calamity.
"How much narcissistic thinking did you swallow?
Come, just let it flow out of your personality,
take on a humble vision of self like me."

Gratefully I take His gift offered to me.
A humble heart inside my chest to throb.
Truly from greedy selfishness free to be.
My dear Heavenly Friend please never stop,
fill my every sense of being with Yourself.

Never did I deserve this.
Your goodness in my heart to meet.
I have done so much amiss.
Yet in loving care You still greet.
Oh how I long forever in You to be.

Tempura · Sep 18, 2015

Jeshu said:
All of this happens to you (your whole inner household of faith) who has faith in God and has diligently searched after Him and tried hard to comply to His love command, but to my shock horror - here come the thunders - other parts of myself were not present. In my sexuality I was still stuck with much sin and misery, I often doubted God and His Word, and I had a lot of life in unbelief, I was often very selfish and dishonest and greedy too. I had much life in sinful spirituality, such as doubt, guilt, shame, hopelessness, despair, lust, envy, impatience, arrogance, pride and fear. In my self-righteousness and religious self and in my worldly self, I wasn't present - effectively had been divided into two. One was taken-up and one was left behind.

Thanks for the long reply brother, appreciated.

I'm assuming this is what you mean: the "heavenly body" or the real you in spirit is constructed little at a time. That's where good things, godly things and loving things of "you" are preserved, while the bad things are just gone, never included in that part of heavenly "you". Is that what you meant?

Jeshu · Sep 18, 2015

Tempura said:
Thanks for the long reply brother, appreciated.

I'm assuming this is what you mean: the "heavenly body" or the real you in spirit is constructed little at a time. That's where good things, godly things and loving things of "you" are preserved, while the bad things are just gone, never included in that part of heavenly "you". Is that what you meant?

This is a hard question to answer properly. After my first visit/thunder with/in God a lot of bad life perished on the spot. Life in doubt and unbelief didn't survive for example, while life in arrogance, self-righteousness, self achievement and pride flared up sharply for a short time afterwards, to perish miserably when Christ was revealed. Other bad life, like in my sexuality, I was given time to repent - massive death and destruction there - but also survival, redemption and sanctification of a remnant within that part of my life. In my worldly and religious self, I was numbered to go, but in that part of myself I resisted God's loving truth and fought against the truth of God growing in my heart. However the Word cut me down and I died a miserable death. Revelation 19. However though much of my religious life perished when Christ was revealed, at a later stage Christ awoke me from the death, (one by one,) and granted me new position and meaning - identity/name - in the kingdom.

So it is the spirituality we have life in that changes. So if I was prideful of my achievements before Christ was revealed then now I pride in God. If I was doubting God or His Word before Christ was revealed, I now doubt doubting God. If I was judgemental on sinners before, then now all I want to do is for them to find God's grace. If I was lustful before Christ came to dwell within my heart, I now try hard to serve Christ's truth with my flesh. If I fought hard against my sins before Christ came, now I have learned to sit at His feet and trust and heed His truth rather than work my butt off trying to reform myself. In other words my heavenly body is growing bigger while my old life is shrinking/dying day by day.

It is really strange how this process is going. In some parts of myself I know I'm doomed but can't seem to want to change, while in other parts of myself I seek salvation and sanctification with an earnest desire. Sanctification is a very mysterious process that much I do know.

Armageddon.

In my inner world life died everywhere,
famine taking what sword had left behind.
Brim and hailstones flattening what stood up,
no escape from the carnage I could find.

Awed I saw Jesus the evil fight,
turning my world into a battleground.
I saw billows of smoke rising up high,
rolling thunder through my world rebound.

I watched as scorpions paraded my soul,
stinging those godless in their lust.
Massive grasshoppers devouring all my good,
fierce horses trampling me to dust.

I saw much of my greenery burn-up,
fleets of cargo ships sadly perish.
Daily trade coming to an abrupt hold,
ungodly rulers wrong to cherish.

I saw the Dragon reigning his subjects,
watched the numbered die like flies.
I heard the false prophet's constant lying,
demons smearing God's love with lies.

It was the blood drinking prostitute,
which flabbergasted me the most.
Unfaithfulness killing God's chosen,
with fiery death she was deposed.

I saw my world's kingdom going down,
ruling Babylon fall in one day.
With two thirds of my world wiped out,
I watched true Peace coming to stay.

And so watching God's own safely at home,
I finally let my tears run dry.
Seeing Jesus arising on the clouds,
I joined the Hallelujah cry.

Tempura · Sep 18, 2015

Jeshu said:
This is a hard question to answer properly.

Thank you anyway, you explained well, it might be just me who doesn't get it all. And it's your experience, I shouldn't get it all. I will ask your more about our "heavenly body" and your thoughts about it in general when you have recovered from your situation a little bit more. Rest when you can and God bless you, sir. I hope you'll get over this phase soon.

Jeshu · Sep 19, 2015

Tempura said:
Thank you anyway, you explained well, it might be just me who doesn't get it all. And it's your experience, I shouldn't get it all. I will ask your more about our "heavenly body" and your thoughts about it in general when you have recovered from your situation a little bit more. Rest when you can and God bless you, sir. I hope you'll get over this phase soon.

To explain the heavenly body is best done through Scripture. Please know that we are in the image of God - so spiritually we are one over and in many - just as God Himself is. What I've experienced is that the original core of our humanity is 144,000. This is our sub total number of elect. Please understand that all 144,000 are murdered by the wicked in us throughout our life, but we are totally innocent in our chosen, and shall be resurrected on the last Day, to rule with Christ over the sub total of our life in Him - our inner world of being, Revelation 20. Our inner world of being is us in all the spirituality where with we have existed, redeemed from our bad life, and now have life in Christ - our whole inner world of being - every moment we have ever lived washed clean by the Lamb. This is the glorious prospect of every believer in Christ. (While unredeemed humanity is saved only in their original core - the 144,000 chosen - their entire good life - all the good life who have been killed by the wicked sinners living within unregenerated people throughout their lives - while the wicked themselves - like as within us - are send to hell, there are no sinners washed clean by Christ in unbelievers, unless they have served God some time during their lives. (perhaps as kids they believed, or at some other time in their lives.))

Revelation 7
After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth to prevent any wind from blowing on the land or on the sea or on any tree. Then I saw another angel coming up from the east, having the seal of the living God. He called out in a loud voice to the four angels who had been given power to harm the land and the sea: “Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God.” Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel.

From the tribe of Judah 12,000 were sealed,

from the tribe of Reuben 12,000,

from the tribe of Gad 12,000,

from the tribe of Asher 12,000,

from the tribe of Naphtali 12,000,

from the tribe of Manasseh 12,000,

from the tribe of Simeon 12,000,

from the tribe of Levi 12,000,

from the tribe of Issachar 12,000,

from the tribe of Zebulun 12,000,

from the tribe of Joseph 12,000,

from the tribe of Benjamin 12,000.

After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands. And they cried out in a loud voice:

“Salvation belongs to our God,
who sits on the throne,
and to the Lamb.”

All the angels were standing around the throne and around the elders and the four living creatures. They fell down on their faces before the throne and worshiped God, saying:

“Amen!
Praise and glory
and wisdom and thanks and honor
and power and strength
be to our God for ever and ever.
Amen!”

Then one of the elders asked me, “These in white robes—who are they, and where did they come from?”

I answered, “Sir, you know.”

And he said, “These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Therefore,

“they are before the throne of God
and serve him day and night in his temple;
and he who sits on the throne
will shelter them with his presence.
‘Never again will they hunger;
never again will they thirst.
The sun will not beat down on them,
nor any scorching heat.
For the Lamb at the center of the throne
will be their shepherd;
‘he will lead them to springs of living water.’
‘And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.’

Jeshu · Sep 26, 2015

The amazing thing of The Word is that it unites us from within. Divided we fall united we stand is true enough. Yet when Jesus is revealed inside of our hearts then the devil and his hordes do everything in their power to ensnare us on our way. Their most successful of these has been unfaithfulness itself, or herself I should say;

See firstly Zechariah 5:5-11
Then the angel who was speaking to me came forward and said to me, “Look up and see what is appearing.”

I asked, “What is it?”

He replied, “It is a basket.” And he added, “This is the iniquity of the people throughout the land.”

Then the cover of lead was raised, and there in the basket sat a woman! He said, “This is wickedness,” and he pushed her back into the basket and pushed its lead cover down on it.

Then I looked up—and there before me were two women, with the wind in their wings! They had wings like those of a stork, and they lifted up the basket between heaven and earth.

“Where are they taking the basket?” I asked the angel who was speaking to me.

He replied, “To the country of Babylonia to build a house for it. When the house is ready, the basket will be set there in its place.”

And see what is revealed in Revelation 17?

One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and said to me, “Come, I will show you the punishment of the great prostitute, who sits by many waters. With her the kings of the earth committed adultery, and the inhabitants of the earth were intoxicated with the wine of her adulteries.”

Then the angel carried me away in the Spirit into a wilderness. There I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was covered with blasphemous names and had seven heads and ten horns. The woman was dressed in purple and scarlet, and was glittering with gold, precious stones and pearls. She held a golden cup in her hand, filled with abominable things and the filth of her adulteries. The name written on her forehead was a mystery:

babylon the great

the mother of prostitutes

and of the abominations of the earth.

I saw that the woman was drunk with the blood of God’s holy people, the blood of those who bore testimony to Jesus.

When I saw her, I was greatly astonished. Then the angel said to me: “Why are you astonished? I will explain to you the mystery of the woman and of the beast she rides, which has the seven heads and ten horns. The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and yet will come up out of the Abyss and go to its destruction. The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because it once was, now is not, and yet will come.

“This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits. They are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for only a little while. The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction.

“The ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but who for one hour will receive authority as kings along with the beast. They have one purpose and will give their power and authority to the beast. They will wage war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will triumph over them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings—and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers.”

Then the angel said to me, “The waters you saw, where the prostitute sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations and languages. The beast and the ten horns you saw will hate the prostitute. They will bring her to ruin and leave her naked; they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire. For God has put it into their hearts to accomplish his purpose by agreeing to hand over to the beast their royal authority, until God’s words are fulfilled. The woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth.”

Now I challenge anyone living down here who has no committed adultery with her?

Is it not true that often our desires ruled it over us? Kings of the flesh? Our very battles on a daily basis not to serve our flesh but Jesus Christ - God Almighty our God and Father in Heaven but we were unfaithful because we served the flesh and not Him. We entered into a covenant of secrecy and sold ourselves out to the lie. That beast roving over this earth and the harlot on his back devouring the righteous before they can get up on their feet. and didn't follow the truth of God's love. Not me either, we all fall short of the mark.

This is why we've got Jesus Christ. He gets us past that dragon and sets us free. To love His people and be set free from the lies and find new life in His truth. An awesome life where righteousness and justice dwells. This is why we need to get Jesus back down here so He can teach us. He is an awesome Saviour. My love starved heart loves Him, for He set me free, time and again and He taught me to walk and talk, (but I'm still in nappies, my fault not His.) Sure I still fall but I'm walking trying to walk upright, sure am making a mess of the place and badly need Jesus to nurse me. Oh to be a child again. Learning to walk. (preferring to crawl) How hard is it for a sinner to be saved? But I can see Him growing in my heart and I'm so incredible thankful that He saved me from the hell I've been in.

How misled we are as sinners, to walk in truth is like darkness to us, yet He dwells in us when we actively love, oh how I wish I could feel love again! It is one of the emotions that have died in me as consequence of my psychoses and depression. They literally burned out. I can know Him but long to rejoice in His love so that my cup runs over. (Without getting drunk and spewing all over the place, making a mess of the table. (please be warned!))

What a sinner I have been? I let loveless kings rule me and dictate what was right and wrong, to find out that not much right was found in me. Love for God and His Word, love for my wife and children and grand children and love for everyone who wants to be loved by me, nothing special - I want everyone to be saved. (I'm not leaving any one behind. If the rapture comes, I'm going to hold onto everyone person on earth in most earnest prayer to Jesus and not let go until the last one has come in - as is Father's Will - I refuse to be saved if not all are saved with me. I want the bible to be true and not untrue about how God's salvation goes. However the spiritual is first of all. (John 14) That is the rapture the bible talks about! (Matthew 24 & 25) Please understand that not loving your neighbour as yourself will not save you or your family either.)

To meet Jesus has dire consequences for that in us that is still in sin. It is not good to be persecuted but in those parts of self we shall. Satan is going to hold onto us with all he's got. He is petrified going to hell and will scare the living hell out of us. Only truthful love can safe us from that dragon. Who is not now, but shall come the moment you set your eyes on heaven. Revelation 1. He will do his utmost to stop God's Word from coming true. He has already completely distorted it through religious thought, however well intended, such is based on speculation and is from the false prophet full of witchcraft.

All such thinking has died a miserable death in me. Its fruits were bad! Rotten even! When you eat from such theories then you will begin to suffer from worry and anxiety and these will blind you to what really needs to be done - loving God and neighbour - rather we try to safe our own skin and distort the bible to make our theories come true - though spiritually we are on the runs and mess the whole place up with our pooh.

God's truth is so much better!

His truth is true inside our hearts as well as in The Word that is how we can know that He is true. Revelation 11 and 12. We can't believe anything the bible doesn't say. (theories of men.) We need to purify our thoughts with His Word and leave our religious selves behind, it will persecute us and force us to be circumcised - we need to keep the law again - while the law of love has been turned into an ideal that is unattainable.

It is good to know that the beast begins to hates the great prostitute and destroys her. And for good reasons - she is totally corrupted and has made an blasphemy out of God. The abomination within shall be revealed! (Daniel 9, Matthew 24) So be warned in your worldly and religious selves you are utterly doomed - unless you repent - you will still die in that part of yourself - but when Christ resurrects you you will get your right place in the kingdom - all glory to Jesus! :clap:

Washed whiter than snow. :bow:

An amazing feat it is awesome to belong to the household of God.

If you love God, long after Him and want Him in your life then now is the time to rejoice. Spiritually the rapture will be soon. For you all shall be well. Please pray for all within yourself and don't leave anything of yourself behind. Exercise your duty as prophet, priest and king and pray for the well-being of your fellow sinner next door, share your food with the needy and your money too, visit the sick and be a comfort to those who mourn. Much work to be done! To harvest the earth.

Revelation 18:1-8
After this I saw another angel coming down from heaven. He had great authority, and the earth was illuminated by his splendor. With a mighty voice he shouted:

“‘Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great!’
She has become a dwelling for demons
and a haunt for every impure spirit,
a haunt for every unclean bird,
a haunt for every unclean and detestable animal.
For all the nations have drunk
the maddening wine of her adulteries.
The kings of the earth committed adultery with her,
and the merchants of the earth grew rich from her excessive luxuries.”

Then I heard another voice from heaven say:

“‘Come out of her, my people,
so that you will not share in her sins,
so that you will not receive any of her plagues;
for her sins are piled up to heaven,
and God has remembered her crimes.
Give back to her as she has given;
pay her back double for what she has done.
Pour her a double portion from her own cup.
Give her as much torment and grief
as the glory and luxury she gave herself.
In her heart she boasts,
‘I sit enthroned as queen.
I am not a widow;
I will never mourn.’
Therefore in one day her plagues will overtake her:
death, mourning and famine.
She will be consumed by fire,
for mighty is the Lord God who judges her.

Poster0 · Sep 26, 2015

Jeshu said:
The amazing thing of The Word is that it unites us from within. Divided we fall united we stand is true enough. Yet when Jesus is revealed inside of our hearts then the devil and his hordes do everything in their power to ensnare us on our way. Their most successful of these has been unfaithfulness itself, or herself I should say;

See firstly Zechariah 5:5-11
Then the angel who was speaking to me came forward and said to me, “Look up and see what is appearing.”

I asked, “What is it?”

He replied, “It is a basket.” And he added, “This is the iniquity of the people throughout the land.”

Then the cover of lead was raised, and there in the basket sat a woman! He said, “This is wickedness,” and he pushed her back into the basket and pushed its lead cover down on it.

Then I looked up—and there before me were two women, with the wind in their wings! They had wings like those of a stork, and they lifted up the basket between heaven and earth.

“Where are they taking the basket?” I asked the angel who was speaking to me.

He replied, “To the country of Babylonia to build a house for it. When the house is ready, the basket will be set there in its place.”

And see what is revealed in Revelation 17?

One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and said to me, “Come, I will show you the punishment of the great prostitute, who sits by many waters. With her the kings of the earth committed adultery, and the inhabitants of the earth were intoxicated with the wine of her adulteries.”

Then the angel carried me away in the Spirit into a wilderness. There I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was covered with blasphemous names and had seven heads and ten horns. The woman was dressed in purple and scarlet, and was glittering with gold, precious stones and pearls. She held a golden cup in her hand, filled with abominable things and the filth of her adulteries. The name written on her forehead was a mystery:

babylon the great

the mother of prostitutes

and of the abominations of the earth.

I saw that the woman was drunk with the blood of God’s holy people, the blood of those who bore testimony to Jesus.

When I saw her, I was greatly astonished. Then the angel said to me: “Why are you astonished? I will explain to you the mystery of the woman and of the beast she rides, which has the seven heads and ten horns. The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and yet will come up out of the Abyss and go to its destruction. The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because it once was, now is not, and yet will come.

“This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits. They are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for only a little while. The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction.

“The ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but who for one hour will receive authority as kings along with the beast. They have one purpose and will give their power and authority to the beast. They will wage war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will triumph over them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings—and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers.”

Then the angel said to me, “The waters you saw, where the prostitute sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations and languages. The beast and the ten horns you saw will hate the prostitute. They will bring her to ruin and leave her naked; they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire. For God has put it into their hearts to accomplish his purpose by agreeing to hand over to the beast their royal authority, until God’s words are fulfilled. The woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth.”

Now I challenge anyone living down here who has no committed adultery with her?

Is it not true that often our desires ruled it over us? Kings of the flesh? Our very battles on a daily basis not to serve our flesh but Jesus Christ - God Almighty our God and Father in Heaven but we were unfaithful because we served the flesh and not Him. We entered into a covenant of secrecy and sold ourselves out to the lie. That beast roving over this earth and the harlot on his back devouring the righteous before they can get up on their feet. and didn't follow the truth of God's love. Not me either, we all fall short of the mark.

This is why we've got Jesus Christ. He gets us past that dragon and sets us free. To love His people and be set free from the lies and find new life in His truth. An awesome life where righteousness and justice dwells. This is why we need to get Jesus back down here so He can teach us. He is an awesome Saviour. My love starved heart loves Him, for He set me free, time and again and He taught me to walk and talk, (but I'm still in nappies, my fault not His.) Sure I still fall but I'm walking trying to walk upright, sure am making a mess of the place and badly need Jesus to nurse me. Oh to be a child again. Learning to walk. (preferring to crawl) How hard is it for a sinner to be saved? But I can see Him growing in my heart and I'm so incredible thankful that He saved me from the hell I've been in.

How misled we are as sinners, to walk in truth is like darkness to us, yet He dwells in us when we actively love, oh how I wish I could feel love again! It is one of the emotions that have died in me as consequence of my psychoses and depression. They literally burned out. I can know Him but long to rejoice in His love so that my cup runs over. (Without getting drunk and spewing all over the place, making a mess of the table. (please be warned!))

What a sinner I have been? I let loveless kings rule me and dictate what was right and wrong, to find out that not much right was found in me. Love for God and His Word, love for my wife and children and grand children and love for everyone who wants to be loved by me, nothing special - I want everyone to be saved. (I'm not leaving any one behind. If the rapture comes, I'm going to hold onto everyone person on earth in most earnest prayer to Jesus and not let go until the last one has come in - as is Father's Will - I refuse to be saved if not all are saved with me. I want the bible to be true and not untrue about how God's salvation goes. However the spiritual is first of all. (John 14) That is the rapture the bible talks about! (Matthew 24 & 25) Please understand that not loving your neighbour as yourself will not save you or your family either.)

To meet Jesus has dire consequences for that in us that is still in sin. It is not good to be persecuted but in those parts of self we shall. Satan is going to hold onto us with all he's got. He is petrified going to hell and will scare the living hell out of us. Only truthful love can safe us from that dragon. Who is not now, but shall come the moment you set your eyes on heaven. Revelation 1. He will do his utmost to stop God's Word from coming true. He has already completely distorted it through religious thought, however well intended, such is based on speculation and is from the false prophet full of witchcraft.

All such thinking has died a miserable death in me. Its fruits were bad! Rotten even! When you eat from such theories then you will begin to suffer from worry and anxiety and these will blind you to what really needs to be done - loving God and neighbour - rather we try to safe our own skin and distort the bible to make our theories come true - though spiritually we are on the runs and mess the whole place up with our pooh.

God's truth is so much better!

His truth is true inside our hearts as well as in The Word that is how we can know that He is true. Revelation 11 and 12. We can't believe anything the bible doesn't say. (theories of men.) We need to purify our thoughts with His Word and leave our religious selves behind, it will persecute us and force us to be circumcised - we need to keep the law again - while the law of love has been turned into an ideal that is unattainable.

It is good to know that the beast begins to hates the great prostitute and destroys her. And for good reasons - she is totally corrupted and has made an blasphemy out of God. The abomination within shall be revealed! (Daniel 9, Matthew 24) So be warned in your worldly and religious selves you are utterly doomed - unless you repent - you will still die in that part of yourself - but when Christ resurrects you you will get your right place in the kingdom - all glory to Jesus! Washed whiter than snow. An amazing feat it is awesome to belong to the household of God.

If you love God, long after Him and want Him in your life then now is the time to rejoice. Spiritually the rapture will be soon. For you all shall be well. Please pray for all within yourself and don't leave anything of yourself behind. Exercise your duty as prophet, priest and king and pray for the well-being of your fellow sinner next door, share your food with the needy and your money too, visit the sick and be a comfort to those who mourn. Much work to be done! To harvest the earth.

Revelation 18:1-8
After this I saw another angel coming down from heaven. He had great authority, and the earth was illuminated by his splendor. With a mighty voice he shouted:

“‘Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great!’
She has become a dwelling for demons
and a haunt for every impure spirit,
a haunt for every unclean bird,
a haunt for every unclean and detestable animal.
For all the nations have drunk
the maddening wine of her adulteries.
The kings of the earth committed adultery with her,
and the merchants of the earth grew rich from her excessive luxuries.”

Then I heard another voice from heaven say:

“‘Come out of her, my people,
so that you will not share in her sins,
so that you will not receive any of her plagues;
for her sins are piled up to heaven,
and God has remembered her crimes.
Give back to her as she has given;
pay her back double for what she has done.
Pour her a double portion from her own cup.
Give her as much torment and grief
as the glory and luxury she gave herself.
In her heart she boasts,
‘I sit enthroned as queen.
I am not a widow;
I will never mourn.’
Therefore in one day her plagues will overtake her:
death, mourning and famine.
She will be consumed by fire,
for mighty is the Lord God who judges her.

I dont really understand revelation, but im happy to just walk in faith by following the teaching of Christ instead of my old ways. I do understand the apostles teaching though, and that will keep me safe from the unknown evils of this world. So even though i dont understand all mysteries, i do understand where to go in this world. Im not perfect, but i try my best. Im not trying to earn salvation but just trying to do what i know is right, and not do what i know is wrong. It doesnt much matter who judges me because their opinion is not the one which matters, and there are plenty of people who would try to judge me in one way or another. In the end God will judge and only his judgment matters. I put my hope in him.

Jeshu · Sep 28, 2015

A poem about the time I began to walk in new. When the bible started its journey for real.

Bye Bye Old

I might as well die.
No perfection in my deeds.
Just agonising suffering!
What benefit to make it longer?
I might as well abscond,
my so called responsibility.
I'm just a bondsman,
a slave to my physical reality.
Stuck with forces that only want,
Forcing much hate on me.
Bringing me untold misery,
Raping me all day long!
It hurts to stay around,
why not simply say goodbye!
Move on along the rippling tide,
forgetting what is down here.
Finding new horizons appearing,
instead of open warfare!
Why am I still fighting on?
Surely The Battle has been won!
Loving Truth is victorious,
also over my life!
And that's all that matters,
in The End.
Bye bye old
I'll Dress in New.

Jeshu · Sep 28, 2015

What has the lie cost us? It has cost us paradise. As kid I wanted to grow up so that I could have what the grown ups had, but I lost my innocence, my openness, my faith, my trust, my honesty, my playfulness and my purity of soul as part of the bargain.

It is so good to meet these qualities back again now Christ is steering the ship. He has given me my life back again and so much more than that. He shares everything, all of Himself and so freely. Even though often I stomp with my clodhoppers all over His garden in me, because I'm so excited to tell or show Him something I found. Like rocks and stones and dead leaves and sticks and all kind of other 'treasure' that lays around. He is such a awesome big brother, He even lets me ride on His shoulders and then I can see everything that is far away close by and I got my heads in the clouds so to speak.

All of this is spiritual, not fantasy, but living streams of water that comes from the temple where God dwells in. Realer than real! The Ezekiel temple where Jesus serves as Prince and high priest of my heart and mind. Cleansing me constantly and letting me grow in the Word each day some more. He is my refuge!

Old life dies! That is the best part of it all. Life in lies perishes. More and more sinful spirituality in me turns to God, knowing that God fully pardons. I keep bringing my bad life to Him - while I'm in it - bad dies when it is confronted with the truth, the lies are exposed and sin is done away with. It is an orderly and patient process that occurs in God's wheels within wheels - events within events in minuscule detail - eternalised forever by the Word and in the Word.

Don't let anyone fool you that evil isn't punished for doing wrong! It is no pleasure to be punished by the living God, for He is a consuming fire - the loveless hearts of the wicked does not survive His coming that is for sure - good riddance of bad life.

I encourage all of you to bring your bad life to Him - time and again - and to leave it at His feet, bit by bit emptying yourselves of such spirituality. Until it dies completely out of us. The more we bring the quicker it goes!

Keep repenting of sinful deeds and don't get smitten with guilt, shame and fear, but grow in love and understanding as sin begins to die out of you while you are on your Way.

Jesus Christ is the name by which to receive all this and so much more when we walk with the word and eat its content.

Peace

Ezekiel 3:1-3
And he said to me, “Son of man, eat what is before you, eat this scroll; then go and speak to the people of Israel.” So I opened my mouth, and he gave me the scroll to eat.

Then he said to me, “Son of man, eat this scroll I am giving you and fill your stomach with it.” So I ate it, and it tasted as sweet as honey in my mouth.

Jeshu · Oct 8, 2015

How to fight sin? Well if is there one thing I learned than it is this. If we are driven by guilty consciences to do or try and do all kind of things to stop our sins then we are at the wrong end of the battle. Religion demands that, the king ruling sells the land for a price, but love for God does not teach that. In the end we will bump into the dragon who carries that unfaithful(ness within us,) prostitute on his back. (An astonishing sight!)

Love for God trusts Jesus to Come and fix us. We cover ourselves with His blood and let His loving truth teach us to lay down our lives in sin - time and again - and let Him raise us to new life.

Sanctification is not an one of process, as some claim, but an ongoing work that takes a thousand years to complete. Revelation 20. However none shall be missing inside of us believers - our whole inner household, including the little ones, the servants and the slaves and all that has died, all are rescued by Christ. Oh to have descendants numbered like the stars in the heavens, an awesome sight.

The Word reveals the truth, He is totally reliable, we all want Him living inside.

Revelation 22:20-21
He who testifies to these things says, “Yes, I am coming soon.”

Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.

The grace of the Lord Jesus be with God’s people. Amen.

Poster0 · Oct 8, 2015

Jeshu said:
How to fight sin? Well if is there one thing I learned than it is this. If we are driven by guilty consciences to do or try and do all kind of things to stop our sins then we are at the wrong end of the battle. Religion demands that, the king ruling sells the land for a price, but love for God does not teach that. In the end we will bump into the dragon who carries that unfaithful(ness within us,) prostitute on his back. (An astonishing sight!)

Love for God trusts Jesus to Come and fix us. We cover ourselves with His blood and let His loving truth teach us to lay down our lives in sin - time and again - and let Him raise us to new life.

Sanctification is not an one of process, as some claim, but an ongoing work that takes a thousand years to complete. Revelation 20. However none shall be missing inside of us believers - our whole inner household, including the little ones, the servants and the slaves and all that has died, all are rescued by Christ. Oh to have descendants numbered like the stars in the heavens, an awesome sight.

The Word reveals the truth, He is totally reliable, we all want Him living inside.

Revelation 22:20-21
He who testifies to these things says, “Yes, I am coming soon.”

Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.

The grace of the Lord Jesus be with God’s people. Amen.

Some people say that we cannot try to do good, and that trying is sinful and ends in disaster. However, i think those people are merely reciting some theological head knowledge, or some theory, but they are not examining truth. Lets examine ourselves for a moment. We all try to do good everyday. How many times do we face a choice in life where we let the written commands of Christ guide us? How many times do we find our self thinking wrongly, and we then remember the words of Christ and we tell ourselves to think that way instead? Am i the only one who does this? Am i the only one who uses my God given freedom of choice? God gave us freedom of choice and i would think it supposed to be used in choosing to do what is right.

IM sorry brother, i am offended by things i read on this web sight. It seems irrational to suggest that we don't use freedom of choice to make decisions and that we don't use our efforts to follow the teaching of Christ. I have a confession to make, i am so deeply offended by the absurdities that i read on this website that i don't think i can continue to be around church people or religious people anymore. I cant throw out rational thinking because that seems like insanity to me. However i feel like that's exactly what im being told to do, i.e. throw out reason and follow some illogical path where we dont try and we dont follow commandments either. Its like im being asked to submit to blind ignorance.

THis in no way reflects what you have wrote, its just that im reminded of things that i have been through here, on this website, , and things i have read here. I just cant handle it because it seems like nonsense to me.

Please forgive me, but that's how i feel. I'm having a lot of trouble dealing with it.

Jeshu · Oct 8, 2015

Poster0 said:
Some people say that we cannot try to do good, and that trying is sinful and ends in disaster. However, i think those people are merely reciting some theological head knowledge, or some theory, but they are not examining truth. Lets examine ourselves for a moment. We all try to do good everyday. How many times do we face a choice in life where we let the written commands of Christ guide us? How many times do we find our self thinking wrongly, and we then remember the words of Christ and we tell ourselves to think that way instead? Am i the only one who does this? Am i the only one who uses my God given freedom of choice? God gave us freedom of choice and i would think it supposed to be used in choosing to do what is right.

IM sorry brother, i am offended by things i read on this web sight. It seems irrational to suggest that we don't use freedom of choice to make decisions and that we don't use our efforts to follow the teaching of Christ. I have a confession to make, i am so deeply offended by the absurdities that i read on this website that i don't think i can continue to be around church people or religious people anymore. I cant throw out rational thinking because that seems like insanity to me. However i feel like that's exactly what im being told to do, i.e. throw out reason and follow some illogical path where we dont try and we dont follow commandments either. Its like im being asked to submit to blind ignorance.

THis in no way reflects what you have wrote, its just that im reminded of things that i have been through here, on this website, , and things i have read here. I just cant handle it because it seems like nonsense to me.

Please forgive me, but that's how i feel. I'm having a lot of trouble dealing with it.

Yes I understand your feelings very well. I struggle with very similar feelings. However we are not fighting against flesh and blood - but against principalities and powers of the air, it is best to remember that. Religion drinks the life blood of the saints, let us not be guilty of doing that.

You are right that doing right is about choices, but are these choices in Godly spirituality or are they in ungodly spirituality? If we hate ourselves because we sinned then we don't understand that Jesus loved us while we were still sinners, on the other hand if we say let sin reign so grace may abound then we don't understand that Jesus paid the ultimate price and death will still rule us when we have such an attitude - however the sons (and daughters) of lawlessness will still be revealed in the end, even to those who think like that.

So yes protect your soul against theological theories that don't teach God's love command. For Jesus said that those who love God and neighbour fulfil the commandments, and not only that, but that He Himself and His Father in Spirit will make our hearts His dwelling place. Come Lord Jesus, Come quickly! The Word alive within that is who we pine after.

Hoping you will be able to stay away from those wolves in sheep clothing and stay safely with us here on the depression forums.

Peace.

Poster0 · Oct 9, 2015

IT bothers me to talk with people who seem to act spiritually superior, as if they are too good for scripture. They will tell you things like God is not a book of words, and they call you a foolish Galatian for following commands from the Lord and his apostles. They stir up debate with these things (things which seem illogical) and then they walk away, as if they are too wise to lower themselves to you. Is it wise for them to stir up debate and then walk away as if they are wise? Is that love as well? Its like putting a stumbling block in another person path and then telling them how foolish they are for stumbling over it. Its a vulgar display of pride and it perverts truth and justice. THey talk about love and how it alone fulfills the law, yet Paul teaches us that love doesn't put a stumbling block in his brothers way. THey seem to dislike scripture and so i guess maybe they dont understand what Paul is teaching us about love. Love is not easy and effortless, no its sometimes hard and painful, and it is not always easily understood in just one command.

Poster0 · Oct 9, 2015

Psalm 37:7 Be still before the Lord
and wait patiently for him;
do not fret when people succeed in their ways,
when they carry out their wicked schemes.
8 Refrain from anger and turn from wrath;
do not fret—it leads only to evil.
9 For those who are evil will be destroyed,
but those who hope in the Lord will inherit the land.

27 Turn from evil and do good;
then you will dwell in the land forever.
28 For the Lord loves the just
and will not forsake his faithful ones.

30 The mouths of the righteous utter wisdom,
and their tongues speak what is just.
31 The law of their God is in their hearts;
their feet do not slip.

7 Consider the blameless, observe the upright;
a future awaits those who seek peace.[d]
38 But all sinners will be destroyed;
there will be no future[e] for the wicked.

39 The salvation of the righteous comes from the Lord;
he is their stronghold in time of trouble.
40 The Lord helps them and delivers them;
he delivers them from the wicked and saves them,
because they take refuge in him.

Tempura · Oct 9, 2015

Poster0 said:
its just that im reminded of things that i have been through here, on this website, , and things i have read here. I just cant handle it because it seems like nonsense to me.

Please forgive me, but that's how i feel. I'm having a lot of trouble dealing with it.

I've learned to basically stay away from the other boards, I'm staying on this depression board instead. This site has plenty of politicis, theology and all kinds of stuff. Some of it may be good and right, but in the end I just end up confused and often angry. Sometimes because I see things that seem contrary to what Jesus taught, sometimes for petty personal reasons too even if I wouldn't want to admit it. Anyway, they're not for me. I know how I'm like: if I stayed on those boards, I'd start to judge people left and right, they would start to judge me, and nothing good comes out of it for anyone.

I have to admit that I don't always know what's right. I've prayed that if I answer to someone who's struggling, that I wouldn't spout false teachings or lead them away from God. I know I'm as fallible as one can be.

But in the end, this is a site where there are all kinds of people. And people never agree. I like this depression forum and a few other ones where there are people who suffer and often feel worthless. We might not always agree on here either, but I like to think that most of us here know that we are lost without God, without Jesus Christ. I like that many people here comfort each other and try to strengthen the faith of their brothers and sisters as well as their own.

edit: even if you weren't replying to me - no reason to ask for forgiveness when you tell us your honest feelings. It's not like you're attacking any of us. We should strive for honesty.

Press On · Oct 9, 2015

My sentiments exactly, Tempura! Thx for posting! :amen:

Poster0 · Oct 9, 2015

Tempura said:
I've learned to basically stay away from the other boards, I'm staying on this depression board instead. This site has plenty of politicis, theology and all kinds of stuff. Some of it may be good and right, but in the end I just end up confused and often angry. Sometimes because I see things that seem contrary to what Jesus taught, sometimes for petty personal reasons too even if I wouldn't want to admit it. Anyway, they're not for me. I know how I'm like: if I stayed on those boards, I'd start to judge people left and right, they would start to judge me, and nothing good comes out of it for anyone.

I have to admit that I don't always know what's right. I've prayed that if I answer to someone who's struggling, that I wouldn't spout false teachings or lead them away from God. I know I'm as fallible as one can be.

But in the end, this is a site where there are all kinds of people. And people never agree. I like this depression forum and a few other ones where there are people who suffer and often feel worthless. We might not always agree on here either, but I like to think that most of us here know that we are lost without God, without Jesus Christ. I like that many people here comfort each other and try to strengthen the faith of their brothers and sisters as well as their own.

edit: even if you weren't replying to me - no reason to ask for forgiveness when you tell us your honest feelings. It's not like you're attacking any of us. We should strive for honesty.

I don't think my motivations are petty or personal. Im doing the same that everyone else does, i represent the truth as i see it. Paul teaches us not to be in fellowship with unbelievers, and also to speak with the same judgment as well. Politics keeps us from following both of those things, and they lead us astray in others ways as well. Politics are about fear and deception. To join politics to the Gospel is madness because it pollutes the gospel in many ways. As for this website being for many different people, you're right.

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Giving up what I am to become what I will be.

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