Boy Trained to Handle Hunting Rifle by Father Now in Trouble. Father Not

Nithavela said:

Does the term "agrarian revolution" ring a bell?

Today, there is no need for everyone to know how to procure food, because few people can create enough food for the rest. This is good because it allows the rest of people to work in different fields.

Or would you like to have your doctor botch your operation because he needs to feed his cows and water his crops?

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agriculture has destroyed countess lives of animals and humans + entire ecosystems. it is part of the supposed "civilized" humans who believe they have a right to claim things and rule the world. they are doing a mighty fine job of being the servants of evil spirits.

what are you talking about? why do human fear death so much? if they did then why do they work in jobs where they can be destroyed by machines? humans are controlled by fear of death and creaturely existence and so they think they need to keep going in the direction that they are going even though they will eventually walk off a cliff that they can't possibly survive.

Noxot said:

agriculture has destroyed countess lives of animals and humans + entire ecosystems.

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Well, you're preaching to the crowd here. Personally, I am all for humanity to die out, the quicker the better, so earth can have some breathing space, again. Maybe hunger would be a bit too slow, but oh well.

But on a humanist note, if not for agriculture, we wouldn't have this conversation because 1: Human Population would be far, far lower and we wouldn't exist in all likelyhood and 2: technological advances would have stopped somewhere around the early stone age and our most advanced tools would be fire hardened spears and sharpened stones.

Noxot said:

agriculture has destroyed countess lives of animals and humans + entire ecosystems. it is part of the supposed "civilized" humans who believe they have a right to claim things and rule the world. they are doing a mighty fine job of being the servants of evil spirits.

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when taken to the extreme yes it has. that is one of the reasons for the dust bowl in america. farmers were trying to maintain profits after the crash of 1929 and kept increasing the amount of land they were farming.

Nithavela said:

Well, you're preaching to the crowd here. Personally, I am all for humanity to die out, the quicker the better, so earth can have some breathing space, again. Maybe hunger would be a bit too slow, but oh well.

But on a humanist note, if not for agriculture, we wouldn't have this conversation because 1: Human Population would be far, far lower and we wouldn't exist in all likelyhood and 2: technological advances would have stopped somewhere around the early stone age and our most advanced tools would be fire hardened spears and sharpened stones.

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less humans would not be a bad thing. anyways I don't wanna go off topic anymore. I think some technology is good but most of it is created out of some kind of strange spiritual disease. I like communicating with others that i would never be able to otherwise talk with but then again if the world was a more natural place I would probably have plenty of people I wanted to be around already.

Nithavela said:

Today, there is no need for everyone to know how to procure food, because few people can create enough food for the rest. This is good because it allows the rest of people to work in different fields.

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There's more to the production of food than just farming. I'm guessing that at least as many people are involved in food production now as ever before. It all depends on how you see it.

OldWiseGuy said:

There's more to the production of food than just farming. I'm guessing that at least as many people are involved in food production now as ever before. It all depends on how you see it.

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There aren't. That's why rural communities across the developed world are in decline. Tractors and harvesters and trucks in general simple make many of the old labour intensive aspects of farming (both agricultural and pastoral) obsolete.

Armoured said:

There aren't. That's why rural communities across the developed world are in decline. Tractors and harvesters and trucks in general simple make many of the old labour intensive aspects of farming (both agricultural and pastoral) obsolete.

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You are making my point. Everyone from implement manufacturers to weather people are involved in agribusiness. Farmers are supported by thousands of specialized technologies that enable them to produce our food.

OldWiseGuy said:

You are making my point.

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Um... no, I'm really not, but anyway.

Armoured said:

Um... no, I'm really not, but anyway.

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Go back, I wasn't finished (I don't know why my posts are posted before I post them) .

While there are lots of people working in the food industry, the number of people actually producing the resources are at an all time low.

And today, you need a lot less people to make sausages out of meat than you did 100 years ago, too.

Nithavela said:

While there are lots of people working in the food industry, the number of people actually producing the resources are at an all time low.

And today, you need a lot less people to make sausages out of meat than you did 100 years ago, too.

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I think there are more people involved in the process than 100 years ago. You have to consider the whole business, not just the actual crafting of the sausage. The division of labor hasn't saved any labor, it has expanded the numbers employed in the enterprise. You have to compare overall business models then and now.

Bible Page said:

You've without question a blanket bias against females. Misogyny in a story about a little girl being murdered by an unstable 11 year old boy is obscene. You demonstrate you are incapable of staying on topic as to the particulars of this case.

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I'll stop you right there. Do you even know WHY it was brought up in the first place? Because someone came on here and turned it into ridiculous 'men are violent, girls are victims' feminist nonsense. Misandry on a silver platter, which nobody has a thing to say about, but go figure it will be turned around on the one who isn't a godforsaken feminist. I've had enough of that.

I've been all about the particulars of this case. I'm one of the very few in fact who have MADE ANY REAL SENSE throughout most of the thread, which apparently you haven't read. If I said the father should be brutally beaten and crucified, nobody here would bat an eye- I'm not the one being absurd.

So, you would be better off READING THE THREAD before telling others to DEPART FROM IT.

OldWiseGuy said:

I hold that girls and women of all ages make boys and men of all ages mad as hell, and some of the boys and men lose control and do violent things to those girls and women. If this fact isn't considered then we as a species are certainly doomed to perpetual ignorance regarding the relationship of males and females.

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Ah... that old saw that men and boys are not responsible for their actions. "A woman made me do it." Also known that the biggest crock of BS and blame shifting there is.

FreeSpirit74 said:

Ah... that old saw that men and boys are not responsible for their actions. "A woman made me do it." Also known that the biggest crock of BS and blame shifting there is.

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That isn't what I said.

OldWiseGuy said:

That isn't what I said.

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Really??? I quote: "I hold that girls and women of all ages make boys and men of all ages mad as hell, and some of the boys and men lose control and do violent things to those girls and women."

No one can "make" another person react any certain way to something that was said or done to them. Getting that gun and shooting an 8 year old girl was that boy's choice, and the fact that it was his first choice, when it would have behooved him much better to suck it up and walk away, does not bode well for him at all. Now and in future if he doesn't nip that tendency completely in the bud. This is the kind of person who will throw a baby against the wall when it doesn't stop crying.

Looks like I may have to add a second person to my Ignore list as a result of bovine excrement I have read them post in this thread.

FreeSpirit74 said:

Really??? I quote: "I hold that girls and women of all ages make boys and men of all ages mad as hell, and some of the boys and men lose control and do violent things to those girls and women."

No one can "make" another person react any certain way to something that was said or done to them. Getting that gun and shooting an 8 year old girl was that boy's choice, and the fact that it was his first choice, when it would have behooved him much better to suck it up and walk away, does not bode well for him at all. Now and in future if he doesn't nip that tendency completely in the bud. This is the kind of person who will throw a baby against the wall when it doesn't stop crying.

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There is nothing in my statement that supports your criticism. I composed it very carefully. You should read it very carefully.

SepiaAndDust said:

Why? Most kids I know have their own guns by age 12.

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My son owned his own gun at age 10 but that doesn't mean he had access to it any time he chose to. Children do not always think things through like most adults do, it is a process of maturity. Until then, sometimes, they need to be protected from themselves and rash reactions to emotional stress.
In this case, I feel that the parents are 99.9% responsible for this killing. If this 11 year old child gets so upset over a puppy then it's pretty obvious he isn't very mature or rational.
All of my kids knew how to drive long before they turned 15-16 but that doesn't mean I trusted them to take the vehicles out on the road around other drivers. Kids are prone to being dare devils and so their use was limited until they matured.

Hank77 said:

My son owned his own gun at age 10 but that doesn't mean he had access to it any time he chose to. Children do not always think things through like most adults do, it is a process of maturity. Until then, sometimes, they need to be protected from themselves and rash reactions to emotional stress.
In this case, I feel that the parents are 99.9% responsible for this killing. If this 11 year old child gets so upset over a puppy then it's pretty obvious he isn't very mature or rational.
All of my kids knew how to drive long before they turned 15-16 but that doesn't mean I trusted them to take the vehicles out on the road around other drivers. Kids are prone to being dare devils and so their use was limited until they matured.

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I will say that none of my three Bratlings have guns. Maybe it's because times have changed or people have changed or kids have changed. Maybe it's because they're suburbanites who haven't been around guns almost every day since birth. Whatever the reason, I wouldn't trust any one of them to be unsupervised with a gun.