Man is god in embryo

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And those words of the Bible are quite plain and easily understood.

Maybe that is why Joseph changed the texts to suit himself (ex. Joseph Smith translation of Romans 8:30). You can prove anything with an Etch-a-Sketch Bible. Just shake and rewrite. Then you call it a translation and insist on Prophet's right to do such things. BAM.

Mormons invent a Heavenly Mom. Strange they will say so little about her yet want to discuss their god in embryo status. Wonder where they figure this embryo is first nurtured? Could it be in Heavenly Mom's womb?
 
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I don't even have to interpret it. I can simply quote Scripture and that will establish what was stated above. And those words of the Bible are quite plain and easily understood.
Are you saying that mortal man can only come up with one interpretation of scriptures?
 
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Maybe that is why Joseph changed the texts to suit himself (ex. Joseph Smith translation of Romans 8:30). You can prove anything with an Etch-a-Sketch Bible. Just shake and rewrite. Then you call it a translation and insist on Prophet's right to do such things. BAM.

Mormons invent a Heavenly Mom. Strange they will say so little about her yet want to discuss their god in embryo status. Wonder where they figure this embryo is first nurtured? Could it be in Heavenly Mom's womb?
Unlike mainstream Christianity who have interpreted thousands of times making thousands of different meanings and thousands of different denominations all saying their understanding is the most correct. I don't think that is the unity Paul was speaking of in Ephesians n
 
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Unlike mainstream Christianity who have interpreted thousands of times making thousands of different meanings and thousands of different denominations all saying their understanding is the most correct. I don't think that is the unity Paul was speaking of in Ephesians n

Could not readers of your words come to a multiplicity of conclusions as to what you have written? Should folks change your words to suit their preference?
 
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Could not readers of your words come to a multiplicity of conclusions as to what you have written? Should folks change your words to suit their preference?
Are they trying to start a church? People can read whatever they want to read into it. There are times when I say words that leave no room for the imagination.
 
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The point is whether your communication is clear and the Bible is cloudy.
The bible is not cloudy but people have their own agendas and can interpret the verses to get their point across even when the author of the text had a different intent. There are only two people who could know of true intent. The author and a prophet of God. The rest are guessing
 
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FB, you may have missed this:
Mormons invent a Heavenly Mom. Strange they will say so little about her yet want to discuss their god in embryo status. Wonder where they figure this embryo is first nurtured? Could it be in Heavenly Mom's womb?

It is definitely on topic.
 
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FB, you may have missed this:
Mormons invent a Heavenly Mom. Strange they will say so little about her yet want to discuss their god in embryo status. Wonder where they figure this embryo is first nurtured? Could it be in Heavenly Mom's womb?

It is definitely on topic.
I know why you say and do these things. You want me to react so I will be banned again for saying things about certain individuals here that would not be a compliment to them. It is no different than the bullies I grew up with. They have never grown up and still try to bully me. Well I am not going to respond to you again. If you truely wanted to see the reasoning behind the way I think you blew it. I am done with your responses.
 
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Not everyone thinks Smith was a prophet.

What's your take on this:

Mormons invent a Heavenly Mom. Strange they will say so little about her yet want to discuss their god in embryo status. Wonder where they figure this embryo is first nurtured? Could it be in Heavenly Mom's womb?
 
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I don't know of any critics of LDS that are Jewish, but from our POV a man cannot be HaShem and HaShem is not a man. He tells us this as He says that He is not a man lest He should lie. His nature if not our nature and will never be our nature. Of course, the LDS view of the divine is more at odds with Judaism than standard Christian beliefs so I'm not surprised.


"God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?" Num 23:19

The word man there is not adam but iysh which is a comparative word which is often unexpressed in the scriptures. It is always used to compare one man to another man; a tall man to a short one or a woman to a man. It is used in Gen 6:9

“…Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations”

If we were to express the full meaning it would say ‘compared to all other men who were unjust Noah was a just man’.

The phrase ‘neither the son of man’ is ben Adam or son of Adam meaning a mortal descendant of adam.

So if we were to rewrite this as intended it would say;

‘God is not like mortal men who lie and need to repent but is an immortal man who always tells the truth.’

Learned that reading a book called How Greek Philosophy Corrupted the Christian Concept of God, by Dr. Hopkins
 
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"God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?" Num 23:19

The word man there is not adam but iysh which is a comparative word which is often unexpressed in the scriptures. It is always used to compare one man to another man; a tall man to a short one or a woman to a man. It is used in Gen 6:9

“…Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations”

If we were to express the full meaning it would say ‘compared to all other men who were unjust Noah was a just man’.

The phrase ‘neither the son of man’ is ben Adam or son of Adam meaning a mortal descendant of adam.

So if we were to rewrite this as intended it would say;

‘God is not like mortal men who lie and need to repent but is an immortal man who always tells the truth.’

Learned that reading a book called How Greek Philosophy Corrupted the Christian Concept of God, by Dr. Hopkins

You think Greek Philosophy corrupted the Jewish view of HaShem then? We were also told to remember that at Sinai we saw no form but heard of voice. There are plenty of things where we are told that He is greatly above man and isn't one of us.
 
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"God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?" Num 23:19 .. The word man there is not adam but iysh which is a comparative word which is often unexpressed in the scriptures. It is always used to compare one man to another man; a tall man to a short one or a woman to a man. It is used in Gen 6:9

Hi withwonderingawe, there are a few things here that need to be discussed (LoAmmi pointed out at least one of them). I'll probably need to get back with you tomorrow, but just to get started, here is a very similar verse to Numbers 23:19 in 1 Samuel.

“The Glory of Israel will not lie or change His mind; for He is not a man* that He should change His mind.” 1 Samuel 15:29

The Hebrew word for "man" in 1 Sam 15:29 is אָדָם (adam)*

Yours and His,
David
 
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Not everyone thinks Smith was a prophet.

What's your take on this:

Mormons invent a Heavenly Mom. Strange they will say so little about her yet want to discuss their god in embryo status. Wonder where they figure this embryo is first nurtured? Could it be in Heavenly Mom's womb?

You're taking metaphor ("gods in embryo") at literal, face value. This is the source of your confusion.
 
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Science has everything to gain by interpreting their findings wrong. It is called pride and money. Years ago two scientist went public with their findings of cold fusion. The whole world was a buzz. Cheap energy. My brother who is was a professor at the Colorado school of mines told me one day that their work was flawed. I asked him how on earth he could know. He said that he went through their research and would not do what they were claiming. My brother was right and it was proven wrong. On the other hand there is science that has believed in what is the smallest particle. Years ago they thought one thing and when scientist had other new theories the old established scientist literally persecuted them for it until knowledge caught up and proved the old way false. Sort of like religion
What you describe here is the scientific method weeding out both fraud and inaccurate/less accurate models. If anything, you've demonstrated that it WORKS, not that it's dysfunctional.

I'm sorry to say it, but it appears to me that you are scientifically illiterate and have NO idea what you are talking about.
 
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Hi withwonderingawe, there are a few things here that need to be discussed (LoAmmi pointed out at least one of them). I'll probably need to get back with you tomorrow, but just to get started, here is a very similar verse to Numbers 23:19 in 1 Samuel.

“The Glory of Israel will not lie or change His mind; for He is not a man* that He should change His mind.” 1 Samuel 15:29

The Hebrew word for "man" in 1 Sam 15:29 is אָדָם (adam)*

Yours and His,
David

Num 23:19 should read; ‘El is not like mortal men who lie and need to repent but is an immortal man who always tells the truth.’

The word is El and it is being used to name a specific God here.

1Sam 15:28 reads And also the Strength of Israel will not lie nor repent: for he is not a man, that he should repent.

'The Strength of Israel' is being used as an idiom for Yahweh. At this time Yahweh was not yet a mortal man but spirit only. It wasn’t until he was born of Mary that he became a man/adam the man Jesus Christ.
 
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You're taking metaphor ("gods in embryo") at literal, face value. This is the source of your confusion.



So you become metaphorical not literal gods?
 
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