Christ's return Delayed???

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Recently I read of a remark Pat Robertson once made, that sin in the church is delaying Christ's return. This sounds strange to me. I thought our Creator had set a day, and that this day would stay fixed until the event happens, regardless of the state of believers. If anyone could enlighten me on this?
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There is NO delay, and as Jesus said: no man knows the hour --not even the Son. He is anxiously waiting the moment when His Father tells Him to go receive your Bride. It is not true that the matter is delayed because of man's failures. Maybe you heard wrong, or maybe the man is confused about what the Bible teaches.
 
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Recently I read of a remark Pat Robertson once made, that sin in the church is delaying Christ's return. This sounds strange to me. I thought our Creator had set a day, and that this day would stay fixed until the event happens, regardless of the state of believers. If anyone could enlighten me on this?
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I checked this At Scnopes.com and the rapture index is very near a record high.
I think that would be in conflict with Pats evaluation.
 
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Recently I read of a remark Pat Robertson once made, that sin in the church is delaying Christ's return. This sounds strange to me. I thought our Creator had set a day, and that this day would stay fixed until the event happens, regardless of the state of believers. If anyone could enlighten me on this?
Thanks...
What he probably meant is that sin in the churches has prevented the spread of the Gospel and the conversion of sinners as it should have been done. Since there is a finite number of souls which must enter into the Kingdom of God before the Second Coming, that is a reasonable conclusion. God has given the Church (the entire Body of believers) the responsibility to fulfill the Great Commission.
 
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good rule a thumb is look what Pat says, then LOL and ignore it :p
No kidding. I remember Robertson saying something along the lines of he was chosen by God to usher in Jesus' second coming. I've not heard Robertson blame the church for its delay though.

"The feminist agenda is not about equal rights for women. It is about a socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians." –Pat Robertson
 
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"The feminist agenda is not about equal rights for women. It is about a socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians." –Pat Robertson
And isn't this exactly what is happening in America right now? It is easy to mock, but it is harder to face the reality of the attack on America from within.
 
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Recently I read of a remark Pat Robertson once made, that sin in the church is delaying Christ's return. This sounds strange to me. I thought our Creator had set a day, and that this day would stay fixed until the event happens, regardless of the state of believers. If anyone could enlighten me on this?
Thanks...

True there is a set date, yet it is not based on the day of a week, but of satisfying a quota, "...for the sins of the אמרי Amer-i (Westerners) have not come to their full"

The coming of Y'shua is not solitary, everyone from every generation returns with him to receive judgement, thus a mass resurrection, meaning world population will be at it's greatest;

There is no delay, yet there is a suspending of time for many, we are not putting something off for a future day, we are prolonging the day that we are in;

For no sooner than the Father rises, and the Son begins to speak through Him, that is when judgement begins, for when a Saint hears His testimony, and responds as if they had an ear (of their own) to hear what the Spirit of Truth manifested in the flesh has to say;

Then those who fail to respond accordingly will be condemned, because of the righteous who hear the invitation, and come, and believe His preaching which no Man has ever preached before, for only He has the keys to unlock the seven seals, and we as Believers wait for His cue;

Though He be the Greatestest in the Kingdom, the least in the Kingdom is of Greater importance than Him self, and those who are with Him, are with Him on this!

Increase that number, and then we might can proceed to remove some of the suspension that occurs.
 
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A rapture index? Is this a joke? I hope so.

Lol, with todays vocabulary, and paraphrasing many things do tickle the ear, but when we see the equation bears scriptural weight, and substantiation, then we come sober where the gravity is concerned;

Just as Moshé and the Saints were carried upon the two wings of a Great eagle, and brought to a Great Mountain burning with fire, so too will those who believe the Father's testimony be raptured;

As it is written, many will scoff, and stand in disbelief, but when the banquette doors shut, those who do not have their wedding garments on by then will be cast out, and the ceremony will begin;
 
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Our King, and Husband is a High Priest, therefore He is only able to take One Bride, thus we must be weaned from the denominational Milk that separates us to appear as the Many who come in his name, and Deceive Many;

Thus we must Be One!

The High Priest is only permited to take a Virgin to be his Wife, which according to scripture is a woman 'who has not known a man';

Therefore, We must cease, and desist Our referring to the Children of the Most High as Men, and recognize them as Divine Beings who are the Children of Our Divine (F)Author, regardless to how they appear, and regardless to their ignorant professings, that state otherwise;

As his Bride, We realize that We descended from above, and have had Our garments washed in his blood, meaning We are resurrected Beings waiting for Our cue!

Are you a Resurrected Being? If not, then how can you be a member of his Bride?

Are your garments washed in his blood? Does any one even understand what that means? If not, then how can they be his Bride?

Do you recognize the children of our Father as His children, or as the son of someone whom you can ignore, or take lightly? A bride does have to qualify!

Have you been weaned from the denominational milk, and drawn from their breasts? If not, then how will you be able to recognize, and comprehend the Crown of Glory when He appears?
 
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Recently I read of a remark Pat Robertson once made, that sin in the church is delaying Christ's return. This sounds strange to me. I thought our Creator had set a day, and that this day would stay fixed until the event happens, regardless of the state of believers. If anyone could enlighten me on this?
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Hi djkword,

Well, the first thing we must do as born again believers when reading what someone has said or written about God and the things of God is: Is it the truth? I personally don't believe that Jesus being delayed beyond when he has always been established to come back, whenever that is, has any Scriptural support. After all, if we believe that God knows the end from the beginning, then He has always known what the 'status' of sin would be upon the earth and allowed for that in the original plan design. I can't honestly believe, understanding that God knows the end from the beginning, that somehow man's sin nature has somehow caught God off guard. That He somehow didn't expect it to get as bad as it has gotten and, therefore, changed His plan timing.

The thinking of Mr. Robertson would lead to the conclusion that God doesn't know the end from the beginning because He sure didn't expect this, and therefore, changed the times.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted
 
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There is NO delay, and as Jesus said: no man knows the hour --not even the Son. He is anxiously waiting the moment when His Father tells Him to go receive your Bride. It is not true that the matter is delayed because of man's failures. Maybe you heard wrong, or maybe the man is confused about what the Bible teaches.

This is the answer. Only the Father knows.

Only the Father will decide.

No delay. When the Father is ready, it will happen. It's very simple.
 
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Our King, and Husband is a High Priest, therefore He is only able to take One Bride, thus we must be weaned from the denominational Milk that separates us to appear as the Many who come in his name, and Deceive Many;

Thus we must Be One!

The High Priest is only permited to take a Virgin to be his Wife, which according to scripture is a woman 'who has not known a man';

Therefore, We must cease, and desist Our referring to the Children of the Most High as Men, and recognize them as Divine Beings who are the Children of Our Divine (F)Author, regardless to how they appear, and regardless to their ignorant professings, that state otherwise;

As his Bride, We realize that We descended from above, and have had Our garments washed in his blood, meaning We are resurrected Beings waiting for Our cue!

Are you a Resurrected Being? If not, then how can you be a member of his Bride?

Are your garments washed in his blood? Does any one even understand what that means? If not, then how can they be his Bride?

Do you recognize the children of our Father as His children, or as the son of someone whom you can ignore, or take lightly? A bride does have to qualify!

Have you been weaned from the denominational milk, and drawn from their breasts? If not, then how will you be able to recognize, and comprehend the Crown of Glory when He appears?

This is not biblical.

Quite confusing and no verses to even show anything you said to be more than opinion.
 
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This is not biblical.

Quite confusing and no verses to even show anything you said to be more than opinion.

I do believe you mean, this is not biblical Milk,aaccording to a denominational babe whose developemental growth has yet to permit them to digest meat.

I render accurate paraphrasings without chapters or verses, to discover peers of biblical knowledge, and to provoke someone who is not as familiar, to ask, Where does it say that in the scriptures?

Scriptures conclude, that, Meat is difficult for babes to digest, because they have yet to grow by the sincere milk of the word, and be weaned from the denominational breasts;

Until then, some meat is subject to appear heretic to the denominational mind.

I said...

"Our King, and Husband is a High Priest, therefore He is only able to take One Bride"

"When you are come unto the land which Ea'huah your Elohey gives you....

....Ea'huah your Elohey shall choose one from among your brethren whom you shall set king over you...

Yet, he shall not multiply horses...

Neither shall he multiply wives to himself, that his heart turn not away: neither shall he greatly multiply to himself silver and gold." [Deuteronomy 17:14-17]

"A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;" [1st Timothy 3:2]

"For as a young man marries a virgin, so shall your sons marry you: and as the bridegroom rejoices over the bride, so shall your Elohey rejoice over you;" [Isaiah 62:5]

"And he that is the high priest among his brethren, upon whose head the anointing oil is poured, and who is consecrated to put on the garments, shall not uncover his head, nor rend his clothes;

And he shall take a wife in her virginity.

A widow, or a divorced woman, or profane, or an harlot, these shall he not take: but he shall take a virgin of his own people to wife." [Leviticus 21:12-14]

"And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from Elohym out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband." [Revelations 21:2]

"But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is Elohym." [1st Corinthians 11:3]

Whether the bride is an entire city, or every man yet is she considered one bride;



לֹא וְאִישׁ בְּתוּלָה מְאֹד מַרְאֶה טֹבַת וְהַנַּעֲרָ
וַתָּעַל כַדָּהּ וַתְּמַלֵּא הָעַיְנָה וַתֵּרֶד יְדָעָהּ
[Genesis 24:16 Tanakh]

"And the damsel was very fair to look upon, a virgin, for no man had known her: and she went down to the well, and filled her pitcher, and came up." [Genesis 24:16]

One of beautiful things about the reiterating attributes found throughout the scriptures, is that they often provide a biblical definition, as in this case, heaven explains that, She was a Virgin, Because no man had יְדָעָ known her;

יְדָעָ (ee'dagh) lit. pertains to the ability to recognize, realize, and identify, as well as that which one is conciously aware of, and has an intimate (personal) knowledge;

Though it's frequent usage to pertain to sexual relations is considered figurative, an orthographic varient יטע (ee' tagh), in the Tanach corresponds to נטע (n' tagh) 'to plant' which is the act of 'sowing seed';

I said...
"thus we must be weaned from the denominational Milk that separates us to appear as the Many who come in his name, and Deceive Many;"

"Thus whosoever shall receive such a little child in my name receives me." [Matthew 18:5]


When Y'shua said that Many will come in his name and deceive Many, he evidently was not referring to many individuals proclaiming to be Christ, or else we historically would of had many individuals come along to do so by now, yet we have not.

As Christians we let his light shine through us, yet when we do so inappropriately we are inadvertently fooling ourselves;

Before the Son returned to the Father he told his disciples that he still had many things to say, but that they were not yet ready to hear them;

"I have yet many things to say unto you, but you can not bear them now.

Howbeit when he, the Spirit of Truth, shall come, he will guide you into all truth....and he will show you things to come." [John 16:12-13]

Paul also echoes Yeshua's words, but goes one step further to explain why Y'shua's disciples are not ready to hear the Truth.

"And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.

I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for up unto this moment you were not able to bear it, neither yet now are you able.

Because you are yet Carnal beings: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are you not carnal beings, and walk as men?

For while one says, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are you not Carnal?" [1st Corinthians 3:1-4]

I am a Baptist, I am a Pentecostal, etc., etc., etc., Paul submits the strife, and divisions of the denominations is proof that those who retain such propensities are babes who are not ready to hear the Spiritual Truth of the Word of Elohym aka Y'shua;

Peter submits that we are to grow by the sincere milk.

"Wherefore laying aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil speakings,

As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that you may grow thereby:" [1st Peter 2:1-2]

"For every high priest taken from among men is ordained for men in things pertaining to Elohym, that he may offer both gifts and sacrifices for sins:

And no man takes this כבוד 'Honour' unto himself, but he that is called of Elohym as was Aaron.

So also Christ כבוד 'Glorified' not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, You are my Son, to day have I begotten you;

Of whom we have many things to say, which are כבוד difficult to be uttered, seeing you are dull of hearing.

For by the time you ought to be able to teach, you have need that one teach you again what the first principles of the oracles of Elohym are; and are become such as have need of Milk, and not of strong Meat.

For every one who uses milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.

But strong meat belongs to those who are mature, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil." [Hebrew 5:1, 4-5, & 11-14]

According to Y'shua the "...dull of hearing" pertains to one's inability to comprehend a Parable [Matthew 13:15]

In Matthew 13 it is carefully explained, when the Word of Elohym is preseneted to the general public which congregate to see, and hear him, it is presented in the form of a Parable, thus the entire Word of Elohym aka the bible is a Parable;

"The same day went Y'shua out of the house, and sat by the sea side.

And great multitudes were gathered together unto him...

And he spoke many things unto them in parables...

...Y'shua spoke unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spoke he not unto them:" [Matthew 13:1-3, & 34]

"And the disciples came, and asked of him, Why are you speaking to them in parables?

He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the Mysteries of the Kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

Thus I speak to them in parables: so they do not see when they look; and do not hear when they listen, neither can they comprehend." [Matthew 13:10-11, & 13]

"If any one has ears to hear, let them hear.

And he said unto them, Take heed what you hear: with what measure you mete, it shall be measured to you: and unto you who hear shall more be given.

For those who have, to them shall be given: and those who do not have, from them shall be taken even that which they have." [Mark 4:23-25, and Matthew 13:12]

To give us disciples our first clue to comprehending any, and all Parables Y'shua presents the Parable of the Sower for us to carefully examine;

"And he said unto them, Know you not this parable? and how then will you know (any or) all parables?" [Mark 4:13]

When we examine the Parable of the Sower we discover that a Parable has two facets one Carnal (according to nature), and the other is a Spiritual Mystery that pertains to the Kingdom;t

Thus the 'Many' Y'shua was referring to are the 'Multitude' who congregate to see and hear him, yet are not weaned from the Milk/Carnal aspects of the Word of Elohym, and have yet to be drawn from the denominational breasts that nurture them;

Peter informs us that, When the Chief Sheperd appears we will receive a Crown of Glory that does not Fade;

"And when the Chief Shepherd shall appear, you shall receive a Crown of Glory that fades not away." [1st Peter 5:4]

In Isaiah 28 we find the Hosts of Ea'huah standing for a Crown of Glory who cast the Fading Crown of Pride to the ground, yet heaven asks, To whom shall he teach knowlwdge, and to whom shall he make to understand doctrine?

"Woe to the Crown of Pride, to the drunkards of Aphriyem, whose glorious beauty is a Fading flower...

For the Glorious Beauty, which is on the head of the fat valley, shall be a fading flower...

In that day shall the Hosts of Ea'huah be for a Crown of Glory, and for a Diadem of Beauty, unto the residue of his people,

To whom shall he teach knowledge? and to whom shall he make to understand doctrine? those who are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.

For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people." [Isaiah 28:1, 4-5, & 9-11
 
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This is not biblical.

Quite confusing and no verses to even show anything you said to be more than opinion.

I said...

Thus we must Be One!

The High Priest is only permited to take a Virgin to be his Wife, which according to scripture is a woman 'who has not known a man';

Therefore, We must cease, and desist Our referring to the Children of the Most High as Men, and recognize them as Divine Beings who are the Children of Our Divine (F)Author, regardless to how they appear, and regardless to their ignorant professings, that state otherwise;"

Y'shua said...

"...Is it not written in your תורת (towruth) 'law', I said, You are Elohym?

If he called them Elohym, unto whom the word of Elohym came, and the scripture can not be broken;

Say you of him, whom the Father has sanctified, and sent into the world, You blaspheme; because I said, I am the Son of Elohym?" [John 10:34-36]

In this context Y'shua refers to the entire Tanach (Old Testamemt) as the Toruth 'Law', and not just the books of Moshé, for he is quoting from Psalms

"I have said, You are Elohym; because all of you are children of the most High.

But you shall die like Anowsh (mortal men), and fall like one of the princes." [Psalm 82:6-7]

Any time the word 'Prince' shows up, I am moved to point out that in ancient times, 'princes' (and a few aristocrats) in general represented the worlds only formally Educated men;

I said...
To qualify to be his Bride, We realize that We descended from above, and have had Our garments washed in his blood, meaning We are resurrected Beings waiting for Our cue!

Are you a Resurrected Being? If not, then how can you be a member of his Bride?

Are your garments washed in his blood? Does any one even understand what that means? If not, then how can they be his Bride?"

Does not the Bride descend from heaven? And whom do you suppose the following people are, if not ressurected beings?

"And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the Word of Elohym, and for the testimony which they held:

And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, do you not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled." [Revelation 6:9-11]

"After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, Who are these that are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?

And I said unto him, Sir, you know. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Therefore are they before the throne of Elohym, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sits on the throne shall dwell among them." [Revelation 7:9, & 13-15]

"And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father’s name written in their foreheads.

These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goes. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto Elohym and to the Lamb." [Revelation 14:1, & 4]

In Christ there is neither male nor female, Jew, or Greek, etc., nor any denomination to segregate us from being one in Christ;

"For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for you are all one in Christ Y'shua." [Gal 3:27-28]

"But now you also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.

Lie not one to another, seeing that you have put off the old man with his deeds;

And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of the one who created him:

Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all." [Col 3:8-11]

Now, we know what it means to be a virgin in a Carnal sense, yet what does it mean in a Spiritual sense?

Carnally, Men are not defiled by a Woman, and Woman do not know a Man, yet according to Paul we are (supposed to be) recognized not as male or female, but as (Elohym) 'Spiritual beings', for according to Y'shua we are Elohym.

'Whatsoever you do unto the leat of these you do unto me,' said the Father through the Son.

Therefore I said...

Do you recognize the children of our Father as His children, or as the son of someone whom you can ignore, or take lightly? A bride does have to qualify!

Have you been weaned from the denominational milk, and drawn from their breasts? If not, then how will you be able to recognize, and comprehend the Crown of Glory when He appears?"

When the Lamb, and the one who sits upon the throne walks amongst us, then shall 144,000 resurrect with them who either will not taste death, or be harmed by the second death;

Yet, there is no sense in revealing details pertaining to the second death, if one is unable to accept these things, for there are approximately 1/3 of the earths inhabitants who proclaim to be Christian (anointed beings);

Yet Revelations declares only 144,000 will not be harmed by the second death, and distinguishes them as Saints, Virgins, those whose Righteousness exceeds (not falls short, or meets) the Righteousness of a Scribe & Pharisee, etc.

I'm sorry if this is to difficult to chew, yet I can only say what Y'shua recommended, Continue in his word, and grow by the sincere milk of the word, and be weaned of it, and drawn from the breast, so that you can be counted as a true disciple according to the scriptures.
 
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Our King, and Husband is a High Priest, therefore He is only able to take One Bride, thus we must be weaned from the denominational Milk that separates us to appear as the Many who come in his name, and Deceive Many;

Thus we must Be One!

The High Priest is only permited to take a Virgin to be his Wife, which according to scripture is a woman 'who has not known a man';

Therefore, We must cease, and desist Our referring to the Children of the Most High as Men, and recognize them as Divine Beings who are the Children of Our Divine (F)Author, regardless to how they appear, and regardless to their ignorant professings, that state otherwise;

As his Bride, We realize that We descended from above, and have had Our garments washed in his blood, meaning We are resurrected Beings waiting for Our cue!

Are you a Resurrected Being? If not, then how can you be a member of his Bride?

Are your garments washed in his blood? Does any one even understand what that means? If not, then how can they be his Bride?

Do you recognize the children of our Father as His children, or as the son of someone whom you can ignore, or take lightly? A bride does have to qualify!

Have you been weaned from the denominational milk, and drawn from their breasts? If not, then how will you be able to recognize, and comprehend the Crown of Glory when He appears?
Have you been weaned from the other extra-biblical books? This is a Christian forum, we do not believe in other Jewish books. Messianic's as far as I know follow the oral Torah, written Torah and all the other books that Judaism follows as well as all the other oral sources of Judaism.

How do we know where what you say has come from?
 
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