What should be done about central banks assassinating US Presidents?

Tallguy88 · Oct 8, 2015

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classicalhero · Oct 8, 2015

Bible Page said:
Are Carter jokes really appropriate? Consider he's fighting melanoma that spread through his body and to his brain.

editing to say, yeah, I agree this should be moved to conspiracy forum.

Central Banks can now control cancer, that is entirely scary.

Rick Otto · Oct 8, 2015

brinny said:
What are central banks?

They sound scary to me....

Brin, I believe the constitution iterates control of the currency to be a responsibility of congress, but I think it was Alexander Hamilton that talked George Washington into assigning that responsibility to some self interested parties.

Rick Otto · Oct 8, 2015

I was a county delegate for Ron Paul at our State's Republican convention.
During a break, out in the hall, I a approached one our congressmen as he was telling someone he had a Master's degree in economics.
I asked him if he didn't think Congress should return to its responsibility for our currency rather than allow a central bank to do so. He looked at me a bit incredulously and said, "Can't you imagine the chaos?"
I looked aghast at him, and said, "This is not chaos we are in?"

Goonie · Oct 9, 2015

I once knew someone from work who believed in a similar conspiracy, global banking was behind the assassinations of Lincoln and JFK. I once made the mistake of asking who he thought was behind the whole conspiracy, he brought out 'the protocols of the elders of Zion'.

Conspiracy theories can be fun, but can lead to unpleasant places.

Rick Otto · Oct 9, 2015

Goonie said:
I once knew someone from work who believed in a similar conspiracy, global banking was behind the assassinations of Lincoln and JFK. I once made the mistake of asking who he thought was behind the whole conspiracy, he brought out 'the protocols of the elders of Zion'.

Conspiracy theories can be fun, but can lead to unpleasant places.

You're absolutely right.
Let's not be lead to any of those.

What is it about the Protocols, you find unpleasant?

Goonie · Oct 9, 2015

Rick Otto said:
You're absolutely right.
Let's not be lead to any of those.

What is it about the Protocols, you find unpleasant?

They were an anti-semetic hoax, originating probably in Russia and used by the secret police to justify pogroms in Russia.they were also used by the nazis in preparing the ground for the holocaust. Since then of course they have been adopted not just by far right neo-Nazi's but are widely distributed in the Islamic world.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zion

029b10 · Oct 9, 2015

8 b UNs 25 cents

Of course the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank are organs of the United Nations [The IMF, also known as the Fund, was conceived at a UN conference in Bretton Woods, New Hampshire, United States, in July 1944.]

Of course the US didn't ratified the treaty with the UN until June 1945, shortly after FDR was assassinated in April 1945, I mean died of a brain aneurysm which he suffered shortly after lighting a cigarette, because everyone knows that a brain aneurysm's can't be chemically induced by ingestation of a colorless, odorless drug such as warfarin.

Of course treaties don't really have any legal force, after all the Article VI of the U.S. Constitution states in part "This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding."

Interestingly enough, George Washington, whose image is on the twenty-five cent piece, responded in a letter to the Marquis de Lafayette on the issue of term limits for the President, which both Lafayette and Thomas Jefferson were in favor of including in drafting of the new Constitution hile Washington who was opposed to such limits is quoted as saying "that when men are no longer fit to govern themselves then it should be of little consequence from what quarter their master comes from."

Of course the 22nd Amendment was passed by Congress in March 1947 and ratified in February 1951.

Think he was talking about the Holy Sea?

The Cadet · Oct 9, 2015

Rick Otto said:
the Protocols do not represent all Semites

They don't represent any Semites, save by through sheer coincidence and the fact that there are millions of semites in the world. They're a demonstrated hoax, written by people out to get the jews.

029b10 said:
FDR was assassinated in April 1945, I mean died of a brain aneurysm which he suffered shortly after lighting a cigarette, because everyone knows that a brain aneurysm's can't be chemically induced by ingestation of a colorless, odorless drug such as warfarin.

Question. What evidence is there that he was assassinated? The man was 63 years old, his health had been deteriorating (and was never great to begin with), and he had an aneurysm. Is there any solid evidence, like an autopsy report, showing that he was murdered?

Rick Otto · Oct 9, 2015

Isn't it a bit ridiculous to expect solid evidence for what is by definition a theory?
Who would expect solid evidence like an autopsy report to go untouched by conspirators in a conspiracy theory?
Who does that?

The Cadet · Oct 9, 2015

Rick Otto said:
Isn't it a bit ridiculous to expect solid evidence for what is by definition a theory?

Isn't it a bit ridiculous to expect solid evidence before believing something?

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RhaegarTargaryen · Oct 10, 2015

Rick Otto said:
Isn't it a bit ridiculous to expect solid evidence for what is by definition a theory?
Who would expect solid evidence like an autopsy report to go untouched by conspirators in a conspiracy theory?
Who does that?

Hey, I have a theory that the moon is in fact a gigantic alien egg inside which there lives a dragon! It's just a theory! Don't ask me to prove it!
Also: Anyone who lends any credence to the so-called "Protocols" are completely indescribable. At least in terms that are acceptable here.

RhaegarTargaryen · Oct 10, 2015

Bible Page said:
Are Carter jokes really appropriate? Consider he's fighting melanoma that spread through his body and to his brain.

Carter is a scumbag. Yes, Carter jokes are appropriate until he dies of it. After which there will be a grace period. De mortuis nihil nisi bene dicendum est, after all. Which is why decent people will then say nothing at all.

029b10 · Oct 10, 2015

The Cadet said:
Question. What evidence is there that he was assassinated? The man was 63 years old, his health had been deteriorating (and was never great to begin with), and he had an aneurysm. Is there any solid evidence, like an autopsy report, showing that he was murdered?

For one, the United States was at war at the time of President Roosevelt's death. Of course,you are familiar with the King of Great so there is no need to cover that issue.

So do you recall how the new American government called the United States was announced to the world back in 1776, on 1 January 1942, United States President Franklin D. Roosevelt announced to the world by Declaration , the formation of the United Nations consisting of the original members States that formed the allied forces already engaged in armed conflict with Nazi forces in Europe, as the US entered the Second World War. Source
[Note: Maybe it was just a coincidence regarding the Declaration thing, of course the original Declaration merely consisted of 13 original States, it isn't like the 2nd Declaration, or UNdeclaration would be duplicating what had been done, that would tend to suggest that they might have doubled the number of original States in the first Declaration (13) times 2 in the second Declaration, but if it never happened it never happened.]

However, just a couple of weeks after FDR's death, the Nazi's forces in Italy, no affiliation with St. Gregory of Nazianzus, also called "the Theologian", known for his works establishing the Trinitarian faith to the catechumens of Constantinople., began surrendering.

On April 29th, 1945, at Allied Mediterranean headquarters in Italy, the Germans unconditionally give up all of Italy and southern Austria. In civilian clothes, representatives of the German army sign the surrender document. General W. D. Morgan, representing Supreme Mediterranean Commander [Harold] Alexander, signs for the Allies. Preceding the final capitulation at Reims, this surrender eliminated a million German troops. SOURCE

[Note: Italian forces once aligned with the Nazi's and the Axis powers at the beginning of the War had surrendered to the Allied forces in September 1943. SOURCE]

Second, Did FDR die of a stroke, an aneurysm or cerebral hemorrhage? Or do you think they are all the same? Source

Here is the Death Certificate issued by the State of Georgia in 1945. Original Copy Text Doc

Yet even after FDR’s death, Roosevelt’s personal physician, Admiral Dr. Ross McIntire wrote that “FDR’s blood pressure and heart signs have been normal.” The president’s medical records were kept in a safe at Bethesda Medical Hospital in Maryland, but the records disappeared right after his death.
{Sources: 1 2 3 }

At the Little White House in Warm Springs, Roosevelt slept late on the morning of April 12. He ate a light breakfast around 9:30 a.m. in preparation for a barbecue planned for that afternoon; he also planned a light lunch. FDR seated himself at his desk to go over some State Department papers, while chatting with two visiting cousins and two other women (see related article on Lucy Mercer Rutherfurd for more details), one of whom was there to do his portrait. A touch of humor had even returned to him as he commented upon one of the official papers: “a typical State Department letter, it says nothing at all.” Source: William Manchester, The Glory and the Dream: A Narrative History of America 1932-1972, (Little, Brown and Company, Boston), p. 347.

Roosevelt continued to sign routine official papers, while the artist worked on her portrait. At 1:00 p.m., he told her that they only had fifteen more minutes before they were to eat lunch and prepare for the barbecue. Actually, the artist was just filling in colors around the portrait [see photo of the unfinished water color on this page], because Roosevelt had slid down in his chair while working and she did not want to disturb him. He continued working and chatting, making another witty remark that a servant noticed had the visiting ladies smiling. He lit a cigarette, then raised his left hand to his forehead and pressed. Suddenly his hand fell, with the fingers twitching. One of his cousins asked if he had dropped something, and he murmured “I have a terrific headache.” Then, Roosevelt’s arm fell to his side, his head sagged, and his entire body slumped in the chair. It was 1:15 p.m.

But it like with the JFK assassination, a high powered rifle fired from inside a building with people standing with 60 ft and nobody even flinches, twitches or looks around. Have you ever heard a rifle discharged inside a enclosed space? Even a radio reporter on air at Houston and Elm Street at the time of the "shooting' didn't know there had been shots fired until told and the open mic didn't pick up any shot ringing out. Source

But the issue is really more about whether you have satisfied your own conscience that the information and facts are true.

Rick Otto · Oct 10, 2015

RhaegarTargaryen said:
Hey, I have a theory that the moon is in fact a gigantic alien egg inside which there lives a dragon! It's just a theory! Don't ask me to prove it!
Also: Anyone who lends any credence to the so-called "Protocols" are completely indescribable. At least in terms that are acceptable here.

So you get that a theory is a theory because it isn't proven?
So we can safely equate the validity of both your assertions?

Rick Otto · Oct 10, 2015

The Cadet said:
Isn't it a bit ridiculous to expect solid evidence before believing something?

Theory.
Not "something"

bhsmte · Oct 10, 2015

Rick Otto said:
So you get that a theory is a theory because it isn't proven?
So we can safely equate the validity of both your assertions?

That would depend how one defines; "theory".

In the scientific sense, a theory is a theory, because it has a substantial amount of evidence to support it. In the conspiracy theory world, a theory is a term that doesn't mean the same thing.

Bible Page · Oct 10, 2015

RhaegarTargaryen said:
Carter is a scumbag. Yes, Carter jokes are appropriate until he dies of it. After which there will be a grace period. De mortuis nihil nisi bene dicendum est, after all. Which is why decent people will then say nothing at all.

What a sorry example of grace received.

Imagine if God felt the same way about you.
"Of the dead nothing but good is to be said" . But you believe while they're alive and dying of brain cancer it's open season.

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