Why Do We Not Use The Name Of God YHVH?

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Moses is an example of a personal name, and coupling his personal name with 'elohiym', adds a personal attribute to the name.



Because 'Elohiym' is simply indicating the personal attribute, as in the Moses example.



Justlookin isn't my personal name. It's a nickname.



As indicated above, "Elohiym" isn't a name. It's never given as a name.



I didn't come up with the name, the bible did.

It is you that say "God" is "Elohiym." The same name, or rather non-name.

So if it is the SAME word (it is a name whether you say it is or not!), show me how the letters of the Word "God" (G, o, and d in case you didn't notice) are even slightly identical to "E, l,o,h,i,y, and m."
 
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God has a name for a reason though, doesn't He?
Yes HE has a name and it is obviously "God."

You refer to him by that name, all the time.
Because that is a name, and a vital and good name, of the "ONE," "TRUE" "CREATOR."
 
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I agree. The 'W' is of English origin.

The 'Yah' part of Yahweh can be fairly certain because of the use of "Yah" in other portions of scripture. The "weh" is more in question and could be rendered with any vowel.

Jewish speakers who do not follow the ban on pronouncing the name will usually use "Yahweh" or some close variation.

On the correct pronunciation of YHWH

Jewish Encyclopedia-Names of God

In appearance, Yhwh (
יהוה) is the third person singular imperfect "kal" of the verb ( הוה ("to be"), meaning, therefore, "He is," or "He will be," or, perhaps, "He lives," the root idea of the word being, probably, "to blow," "to breathe," and hence, "to live." With this explanation agrees the meaning of the name given in Ex. iii. 14, where God is represented as speaking, and hence as using the first person—"I am" (אהיה, from ( היה, the later equivalent of the archaic stem ( הוה). The meaning would, therefore, be "He who is self-existing, self-sufficient," or, more concretely, "He who lives," the abstract conception of pure existence being foreign to Hebrew thought. There is no doubt that the idea of life was intimately connected with the name Yhwh from early times. He is the living God, as contrasted with the lifeless gods of the heathen, and He is the source and author of life (comp. I Kings xviii.; Isa. xli. 26-29, xliv. 6-20; Jer. x. 10, 14; Gen. ii. 7; etc.). So familiar is this conception of God to the Hebrew mind that it appears in the common formula of an oath, "hai Yhwh" ( חי־יהוה = "as Yhwh lives"; Ruth iii. 13; I Sam. xiv. 45; etc.).

If the explanation of the form above given be the true one, the original pronunciation must have been Yahweh ((
יהוה) or Yahaweh (יהוה). From this the contracted form Jah or Yah (יה) is most readily explained, and also the forms Jeho or Yeho (יהו), and Jo or Yo (יו contracted from יהו, which the word assumes in combination in the first part of compound proper names, and Yahu or Yah (יהו) in the second part of such names. The fact may also be mentioned that in Samaritan poetry יהוה rimes with words similar in ending to Yahweh, and Theodoret ("Quæst. 15 in Exodum") states that the Samaritans pronounced the name Iαβέ. Epiphanius ascribes the same pronunciation to an early Christian sect. Clement of Alexandria, still more exactly, pronounces 'Iαουέ or 'Iαουαί, and Origen, '. Aquila wrote the name in archaic Hebrew letters. In the Jewish-Egyptian magic-papyri it appears as Ιαωουηε. At least as early as the third century B.C. the name seems to have been regarded by the Jews as a "nomen ineffabile," on the basis of a somewhat extreme interpretation of Ex. xx. 7 and Lev. xxiv. 11 (see Philo, "De Vita Mosis," iii. 519, 529). Written only in consonants, the true pronunciation was forgotten by them. The Septuagint, and after it the New Testament, invariably render κύριος ("the Lord").

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Basically, Jesus is the main deal, no need to preach new Gods or another gospel.
Very true!
Any concern about "YHWH" is pretty much beside any real concern.
As another has pointed out, it is obviously (part of?) a very foreign language.
Even when it comes to God, English can be considered good enough.
 
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Very true!
Any concern about "YHWH" is pretty much beside any real concern.
As another has pointed out, it is obviously (part of?) a very foreign language.
Even when it comes to God, English can be considered good enough.

It only becomes a concern when certain groups/individuals insist that when addressing or referring to the creator one must use some version of the transliteration of יהוה/YHWH. One of the primary versions is Jehovah, which is not a Hebrew name or word. at all. It is a hybrid word derived from the vowel points which had been added to the name by Masoretic scholars. The points for Adoniai/Lord were added to signal the reader to pronounce Adonai instead of YHWH. The name with the vowel points for Adonai was never intended to be pronounced When יהוה is pronounced with the vowel points of Adonai it is something like Jehovah
 
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It is you that say "God" is "Elohiym." The same name, or rather non-name.

"Elohiym" can mean several things, dependent upon the name associated with the term. It doesn't always refer to YHWH, sometimes it referrs to a human, other times evil entities. There is only one YHWH Elohiym.

So if it is the SAME word (it is a name whether you say it is or not!), show me how the letters of the Word "God" (G, o, and d in case you didn't notice) are even slightly identical to "E, l,o,h,i,y, and m."

It's not identical, but it's not a name either. If that's what you're asking.
 
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God has a name for a reason though, doesn't He?

I can deduce the reason why creations are given names .. which is related to purpose or uniqueness .. so in the same way God's name would be related to God's purposes fulfilled and the unique characteristics that belong to God alone.

Besides .. who gave God his name?
 
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I can deduce the reason why creations are given names .. which is related to purpose or uniqueness .. so in the same way God's name would be related to God's purposes fulfilled and the unique characteristics that belong to God alone.

Besides .. who gave God his name?

God.
 
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Nobody knew God's name until He told them.

According to proverbs, before his works of old, he brought forth wisdom. When he created he did so with his voice.

before creating there was no basis for a name.
 
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Doesn't matter, nobody knew God's name until He told them.

Return to the premise of what a name means to God, the above statement is fallacious.
 
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It is YHVH not YHWH. I have it on the highest authority that the former not the latter is the correct pronunciation. It means to be or simply being. It is his personal name.

Proverbs 30:4 "Who has gone up to heaven and come down? Whose hands have gathered up the wind? Who has wrapped up the waters in a cloak? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is his name, and what is the name of his son? Surely you know!"

I do and our God is awesome!
 
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It is YHVH not YHWH. I have it on the highest authority that the former not the latter is the correct pronunciation. It means to be or simply being. It is his personal name.

Proverbs 30:4 "Who has gone up to heaven and come down? Whose hands have gathered up the wind? Who has wrapped up the waters in a cloak? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is his name, and what is the name of his son? Surely you know!"

I do and our God is awesome!

Well, actually it's......

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If one assumes the vowels of God's holy name weren't lost it's pronounced as it is it sounds like breathing. If this is the case everyone alive is constantly proclaiming God's name whether they know it or not.

Breathing isn't producing Gods name.
 
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Those are attributes, not a name.


That is how God calls Himself, by His attributes. Attributes are the basis for many a name--including Satan--which some claim is not a name but a title--the accuser--- an attribute, a title, a name. In some cultures, the American Indian, for instance, a name was given to a child until he grew up and picked his own name. A name is a description of a person. What does your real name mean? My real name means joy and it's a songbird---I just can't sing. Adam simply meant Man--actually, I think it meant human. Manna meant--"what is it"--Then you have to take into consideration that because a lot of names do have meanings, they can translate into another language--Mary=Maria--Juan=John. Some names are not translatable--or the translation can be too long so the original language is kept as in most Japanese names. A name in the original language can be hard to pronounce and many people change their names when they move to another country so it's easier for others to pronounce. God, with a capital G--has a different meaning than god (small G)--God, in English, stands for a difficult to figure out how to pronounce JHVH---God told the Jews His name--every language has it's translation----In Chinese--it's ---it's--hmm---it's in Chinese, how should I know!!!
 
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That is how God calls Himself, by His attributes. Attributes are the basis for many a name--including Satan--which some claim is not a name but a title--the accuser--- an attribute, a title, a name. In some cultures, the American Indian, for instance, a name was given to a child until he grew up and picked his own name. A name is a description of a person. What does your real name mean? My real name means joy and it's a songbird---I just can't sing. Adam simply meant Man--actually, I think it meant human. Manna meant--"what is it"--Then you have to take into consideration that because a lot of names do have meanings, they can translate into another language--Mary=Maria--Juan=John. Some names are not translatable--or the translation can be too long so the original language is kept as in most Japanese names. A name in the original language can be hard to pronounce and many people change their names when they move to another country so it's easier for others to pronounce. God, with a capital G--has a different meaning than god (small G)--God, in English, stands for a difficult to figure out how to pronounce JHVH---God told the Jews His name--every language has it's translation----In Chinese--it's ---it's--hmm---it's in Chinese, how should I know!!!

No, God tells us His personal name. This isn't an attribute....
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