Elvis Presley vs. Michael Jackson vs the Beatles.

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Why do you think Elvis sang very little jazz or blues songs?
Um - a lot of his early stuff was blues that he re-worked. Ever hear the earlier versions of Hound Dog?
 
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"Blues" has a technical musical definition.

"Small b" blues is the more rock or country type of blues - typically done by whites. It also shows up in jazz, even big band jazz. It is usually much more arranged and processed, and therefore much cleaner sounding; but it still follows the same scale patterns and the 12 bar chord progression that defines blues. Think John Myall or Eric Clapton or the Allman Brothers.

"Captial B" Blues is sometimes called "Da Blues" and was/is typically done by African Americans. It is raw and has a LOT of emotional power (more so than the small b kind). Think Howling Wolf, Robert Townsend or BB King.

For the first 20 years or so of R&R, approx 1955 to 1975, it was understood that most R&R was actually small b blues. So the fact that something sounds more 'rock' than 'blues' means that you are not using the technical definition.
 
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I think it is a generational thing. Elvis and the Beatles were in my youth. Michael wasn't. When Michael started out in the Jackson Five, we considered it 'bubble gum music' and wouldn't even listen to it. It wasn't until much later that my generation had any respect for Jackson's music, if they did at all. It's like my mom's generation was all crazy for Sinatra and I had to get older before I appreciated his music. Crazy, everyone likes the music they danced to as a teenager, etc.

Elvis didn't sell close to a billion records like Michael Jackson did.
 
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"Blues" has a technical musical definition.

"Small b" blues is the more rock or country type of blues - typically done by whites. It also shows up in jazz, even big band jazz. It is usually much more arranged and processed, and therefore much cleaner sounding; but it still follows the same scale patterns and the 12 bar chord progression that defines blues. Think John Myall or Eric Clapton or the Allman Brothers.

"Captial B" Blues is sometimes called "Da Blues" and was/is typically done by African Americans. It is raw and has a LOT of emotional power (more so than the small b kind). Think Howling Wolf, Robert Townsend or BB King.

For the first 20 years or so of R&R, approx 1955 to 1975, it was understood that most R&R was actually small b blues. So the fact that something sounds more 'rock' than 'blues' means that you are not using the technical definition.

Did Elvis ever sing any actual "rock" songs, or just rock n roll?
 
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Did Elvis ever sing any actual "rock" songs, or just rock n roll?
Rock - (with out the "roll") was not around when Elvis first came on the scene and then faded. It WAS around when he came back in 1968. But after that comeback, all of his songs were either pop or country. I am unaware of anything he did that would be straight rock.
 
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Elvis didn't sell close to a billion records like Michael Jackson did.

Does not matter to me at all. What matters to me is how many records I bought. I never bought a Jackson Five record in my life or even a Jackson record for that matter. Never even thought about it. Elvis was just so much better in my view. And the Beatles were too. I probably bought all their singles and most albums. Has to do with what you grew up with.
My big brother was such an Elvis fan that when the Beatles came out he argued with me that in 'ten years we wouldn't even remember their name'. hehehe I remind him of that every now and then. ^_^ I was a BIG Beatles fan for sure. I liked Paul the best.
 
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Rock - (with out the "roll") was not around when Elvis first came on the scene and then faded. It WAS around when he came back in 1968. But after that comeback, all of his songs were either pop or country. I am unaware of anything he did that would be straight rock.

What do you mean "he came back in 1968"? He was still making music in the 60s-like Viva Las Vegas.
 
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What do you mean "he came back in 1968"? He was still making music in the 60s-like Viva Las Vegas.

He had a big 'comeback' concert (the one where he is in all black). He had been in the army and stationed in Germany and he didn't record or make movies in that time. This was his 'comeback'. And it was grand! But music had changed and he adapted pretty well to the changes.
 
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I'd put Elvis as Number 1. He's the king for many reasons. The Beatles are hard to minimize, even if we agree that some of their song lyrics are psychedelic riddles or whatever. MJ to me was more of an entertainer than a singer, albeit a very good entertainer.
 
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I'd put Elvis as Number 1. He's the king for many reasons. The Beatles are hard to minimize, even if we agree that some of their song lyrics are psychedelic riddles or whatever. MJ to me was more of an entertainer than a singer, albeit a very good entertainer.

How was he more of an entertainer than a singer? He was famous largely because of songs like Billie Jean, Beat it, Man in the Mirror, etc. The people I know who like Michael Jackson, like him mostly because of his singing abilities.
 
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He had a big 'comeback' concert (the one where he is in all black). He had been in the army and stationed in Germany and he didn't record or make movies in that time. This was his 'comeback'. And it was grand! But music had changed and he adapted pretty well to the changes.

What was your favorite Elvis decade? I'd say it was the late 60s/early 70s? In the 50s, his music was cheesy 50's pop, in the late 70s his voice sounded horrible because of his health problems.
 
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How was he more of an entertainer than a singer? He was famous largely because of songs like Billie Jean, Beat it, Man in the Mirror, etc. The people I know who like Michael Jackson, like him mostly because of his singing abilities.
His singing "abilities" were certainly nothing that would make him the best pop singer in history or anything close to it. He had an interesting voice. But his style, look, dancing, etc....all of that was what made him special.

Elvis had some of that, and the Beatles, well, pretty conventional weren't they? His singing and their styling and creativity were what were their strengths.
 
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What was your favorite Elvis decade? I'd say it was the late 60s/early 70s? In the 50s, his music was cheesy 50's pop, in the late 70s his voice sounded horrible because of his health problems.

Didn't have a favorite decade with Elvis. It was just Elvis. Sorry, nobody else compares and they would all agree.
 
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What was your favorite Elvis decade? I'd say it was the late 60s/early 70s? In the 50s, his music was cheesy 50's pop, in the late 70s his voice sounded horrible because of his health problems.
I'd agree (if I'm remembering the right time period). I didn't care for him at all in the "itchin' like a man on a fuzzy tree" era. ;)
 
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His singing "abilities" were certainly nothing that would make him the best pop singer in history or anything close to it. He had an interesting voice. But his style, look, dancing, etc....all of that was what made him special.

Elvis had some of that, and the Beatles, well, pretty conventional weren't they? His singing and their styling and creativity were what were their strengths.

What do you mean by that? He had one of the best voices in music history.
 
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