Sukkot not for Gentiles?

DaveW-Ohev said:

"Abstract" does not even begin to describe it.



If you want us to get your point, you have to explain it.

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It is the past now sorry.

Lulav said:

In Judaism the belief is that once you convert you are like a native born, that's what taking on the covenant means.

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When you said the Gate is shut. What does that mean?

pinacled said:

It is the past now sorry.

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???? I am seriously not able to follow you at all.

pinacled said:

When you said the Gate is shut. What does that mean?

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Lulav said:

Where did I say that?

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I found no mention of a "gate" either.

Is it just me or is pinacled just not following this thread?
A bad case of forum blur perhaps?

Where are the posts that you are replying to?

DaveW-Ohev said:

???? I am seriously not able to follow you at all.


I found no mention of a "gate" either.

Is it just me or is pinacled just not following this thread?
A bad case of forum blur perhaps?

Where are the posts that you are replying to?

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Not so important to where it was said but when. A certain Day.

In Ezekiel there is mention of Honey.
Also a number of steps 7 then 8.
Giving a portion to 7 and 8

Forgive me for the lack of information. I'll have to find some time to give more work.
it can be hard to find time to give a proper response.


The 4 Living Creatures.

The Expulsion from Paradise
…23therefore the LORD God sent him out from the garden of Eden, to cultivate the ground from which he was taken. 24So He drove the man out; and at the east of the garden of Eden He stationed the cherubim and the flaming sword which turned every direction to guard the way to the tree of life.

Driven out of the east gate.

The Cherub that Guards every direction.

Ezekiel 1 King James Version (KJV)

1 Now it came to pass in the thirtieth year, in the fourth month, in the fifth day of the month, as I was among the captives by the river of Chebar, that the heavens were opened, and I saw visions of God.
2 In the fifth day of the month, which was the fifth year of king Jehoiachin's captivity,
3 The word of the Lord came expressly unto Ezekiel the priest, the son of Buzi, in the land of the Chaldeans by the river Chebar; and the hand of the Lord was there upon him.
4 And I looked, and, behold, a whirlwind came out of the north, a great cloud, and a fire infolding itself, and a brightness was about it, and out of the midst thereof as the colour of amber, out of the midst of the fire.
5 Also out of the midst thereof came the likeness of four living creatures. And this was their appearance; they had the likeness of a man.
6 And every one had four faces, and every one had four wings.
7 And their feet were straight feet; and the sole of their feet was like the sole of a calf's foot: and they sparkled like the colour of burnished brass.
8 And they had the hands of a man under their wings on their four sides; and they four had their faces and their wings.
9 Their wings were joined one to another; they turned not when they went; they went every one straight forward.
10 As for the likeness of their faces, they four had the face of a man, and the face of a lion, on the right side: and they four had the face of an ox on the left side; they four also had the face of an eagle.
11 Thus were their faces: and their wings were stretched upward; two wings of every one were joined one to another, and two covered their bodies.
12 And they went every one straight forward: whither the spirit was to go, they went; and they turned not when they went.
13 As for the likeness of the living creatures, their appearance was like burning coals of fire, and like the appearance of lamps: it went up and down among the living creatures; and the fire was bright, and out of the fire went forth lightning.
14 And the living creatures ran and returned as the appearance of a flash of lightning.
15 Now as I beheld the living creatures, behold one wheel upon the earth by the living creatures, with his four faces.
16 The appearance of the wheels and their work was like unto the colour of a beryl: and they four had one likeness: and their appearance and their work was as it were a wheel in the middle of a wheel.
17 When they went, they went upon their four sides: and they turned not when they went.
18 As for their rings, they were so high that they were dreadful; and their rings were full of eyes round about them four.
19 And when the living creatures went, the wheels went by them: and when the living creatures were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up.
20 Whithersoever the spirit was to go, they went, thither was their spirit to go; and the wheels were lifted up over against them: for the spirit of the living creature was in the wheels.
21 When those went, these went; and when those stood, these stood; and when those were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up over against them: for the spirit of the living creature was in the wheels.
22 And the likeness of the firmament upon the heads of the living creature was as the colour of the terrible crystal, stretched forth over their heads above.
23 And under the firmament were their wings straight, the one toward the other: every one had two, which covered on this side, and every one had two, which covered on that side, their bodies.
24 And when they went, I heard the noise of their wings, like the noise of great waters, as the voice of the Almighty, the voice of speech, as the noise of an host: when they stood, they let down their wings.
25 And there was a voice from the firmament that was over their heads, when they stood, and had let down their wings.
26 And above the firmament that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it.
27 And I saw as the colour of amber, as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins even upward, and from the appearance of his loins even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness round about.
28 As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the Lord. And when I saw it, I fell upon my face, and I heard a voice of one that spake.

1 Chronicles 28:11
Then David gave his son Solomon the plans for the portico of the temple, its buildings, its storerooms, its upper parts, its inner rooms and the place of atonement.

The Inner Temple
…21The doorposts of the nave were square; as for the front of the sanctuary, the appearance of one doorpost was like that of the other. 22The altar was of wood, three cubits high and its length two cubits; its corners, its base and its sides were of wood. And he said to me, "This is the table that is before the LORD."

Lulav said:

Where did I say that?

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Maybe here?

Lulav said:

It is just ending here. The gates are closed.

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I had to look it up, I remembered reading something about closed gates...so it was driving me nuts

*it can be difficult following the abstract.

Lulav said:

Oh my goodness, another thread, as I suspected! thanks for finding that, I'm getting old but hope I have some part of my mind left!

Pinacled, that mention of the closing of the gates in not in the temple, but in heaven.

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Is this a traditional understanding, Something you were taught?
I am asking why did you say that?
Where did you hear it?

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pinacled said:

Is this a traditional understanding, Something you were taught?
I am asking why did you say that?
Where did you hear it?

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No need to answer if it is personal.