Time to pull the kids from public schools

The co-ed bathroom policy that is in full bloom in some states - is just another reason to abandon public schools.

The Supreme court this year stated that the schools, the educational system is going to come after the children of Christians - to make sure they endorse same sex marriage or else are condemned in school.

4thWatch said:

The whole social dynamic of school is now set up as an indoctrination of our children into the left wings way of seeing things. It's nothing more than a factory to turn out future voters for the Democratic Party.

There are alternatives in good Christian schools and home schooling, though the home schooling is less scary than you think. My child attends Connections Academy, it's an online school that sets up all classes, mails you your students books and has actual online classes with the teacher plus lots of work at home. If you ask me it's much closer to college anyway which is what I'm prepping him for. He's responsible to show up to class, do his work online and I look over it and submit it for grading.

I can monitor what he learns, and the friends he has made all seem to be at the school for the same reason. I've met many of the family's and they are Christians who just don't want their child involved in brainwashing that's going on at school these days.

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Our kids have been at a Christian school since kindergarten. We sent them there because we wanted what we taught at home to be reinforced in the school as well. Also, we found it encouraging that expectations of a student are the same 24/7/365. For example, while you hope it doesn't happen if someone violates a rule (alcohol, etc.) during summer vacation they face the same discipline when school starts back as if they did it during the school year.

Our kids school is pretty large, about 1000 total, with excellent arts and athletic and other extracurricular activities. The home school kids in our area do not have the same opportunities. They have the activities, but the level of teaching and coaching and the resources just do not compare. So that is a Christian school benefit that may just be local to our area but is real here.

Having said that, I know several really strong Christian teachers in the public schools. I'm glad they are there because even though they are restricted in what they say, they still are an influence and are able to show Christ to their kids in how they treat them and even in talking about their lives in class.

4thWatch said:

I guess I just want to urge my fellow Christians to consider pulling their kids from public schools. It's only going to get worse and our kids are the most important things in our lives.

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Personally, I'd rank Christ and my wife before my kids. Thinking that's pretty biblical too!!

Something to be aware of and to research is the Common Core curriculum, which Bill Gates sponsored curriculum is on its way to being enforced all across the country, and even in home schooled children via mandated curriculum by the federal government.

Do research on this.

The situation is dire:

In my humble opinion common core is God showing the foolishness of the powers to be that claim superior wisdom.

4thWatch said:

We are blessed to live in North Idaho where it's like the 1980s came and hid so we haven't had the problems in school others have had. That being said I think it's time for Christians to remove their children from public schools......

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A mass exodus of Christian children from public schools and into either a home school environment or a Christian school is due. America is falling into such a dark place now and by law that it's the best thing a Christian family can do for themselves. But if they home school supposedly they still can't get away from Common Core being compulsory in even that environment.

It's stunning to see what's happening in America today. And with a great deal of momentum as we fall further and further as a nation toward unrighteousness. Pray for America. All goes as God wills. At this point I think he has a very interesting sense of humor.

No, you cannot get away from Common Core so it is not a reason to pull kids from public schools. With the ACT and SAT boards developing their tests around it, and federal funding to private schools or some home school resources in jeopardy if they stray too far, Common Core has become a fact of life. The reasons to pull are related to freedom to teach faith. morality, and have clear expectations of proper behavior.

Yep lets take all christians out of the very areas they need to be. Lets teach our kids instead of following God's commands that we should instead remove ourselves completely from the world. Do you know why they have gay quarter in San Fran? Because all the christians decided they would move out and sold at low prices that other gay people moved in.

The mass exodus of children out of the public schools in the United States began in the late 1950s, in the wake of Brown v. Board of Education.

I pulled my daughter out of public schools in the fourth grade. She is now 30 years old. That is when, in Texas, they were busing kids all over town for integration. It was horrible for everyone. I put her in a small Christian school for the next 3 years, then for Jr. High a large Christian school with sports and all the rest. I have never ever regretted it. Public school would have eaten her alive. Nowadays, it is so much worse I can't imagine. You parents have my prayers in these dark times, I tell you.

It's really refreshing to see somebody being honest about it.

revanneosl said:

It's really refreshing to see somebody being honest about it.

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It was horrible for everyone involved. You could live right across the street from your neighborhood school and by 4th grade they started busing your kid across town. We had families who moved to certain neighborhoods because they were better neighborhoods and then found out their kids had to go back to the old neighborhood anyway. Stupid.

TheDag said:

Yep lets take all christians out of the very areas they need to be. Lets teach our kids instead of following God's commands that we should instead remove ourselves completely from the world. Do you know why they have gay quarter in San Fran? Because all the christians decided they would move out and sold at low prices that other gay people moved in.

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Went back and read the thread and you missed the point. I do agree with you that we cannot and should not live, or have our kids live, in a Christian bubble. However, that does not mean we choose to be a part of society in a specific area where society is teaching our children things we believe are incorrect. From what I read, this thread has been specifically about school and whether Christian children are best served in public or private schools. There are many other places to be in the world (sports, arts, neighborhood, volunteer service) that do not involve the kids having to go through teaching that is opposite of the beliefs of their parents. I have not seen anyone advocate what you claimed was advocated.

revanneosl said:

The mass exodus of children out of the public schools in the United States began in the late 1950s, in the wake of Brown v. Board of Education.

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Certainly the racial issue was a big factor. You were not specific but I understand that is what you were referencing. Now days, not so much. All the private schools locally are integrated, some of the most popular pretty significantly. There is, of course, a bit of an economic divide but even there endowments cover scholarships for many kids.

4thWatch said:

From various states we are starting to see lesson plans pop up that teach children that the Muslim religion is not only acceptable but true.

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Well here's where I stopped reading.

How about you cite such a lesson plan, champ? Or are we just meant to take your word for it?

Lord help us.

WolfGate said:

Went back and read the thread and you missed the point. I do agree with you that we cannot and should not live, or have our kids live, in a Christian bubble. However, that does not mean we choose to be a part of society in a specific area where society is teaching our children things we believe are incorrect. From what I read, this thread has been specifically about school and whether Christian children are best served in public or private schools. There are many other places to be in the world (sports, arts, neighborhood, volunteer service) that do not involve the kids having to go through teaching that is opposite of the beliefs of their parents. I have not seen anyone advocate what you claimed was advocated.

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Mostly what I see is unsubstantiated claims with no evidence to support them. People say the same thing is happening here but it isn't. Too many christians respond to equal treatment by saying help help we are being persecuted.
The OP claims union teachers are bad for kids which really is saying unions are bad for christians even though it was christians involved at the beginning of unions and that unions aims very much line up with christian values. It tends to be the republican party whose values do not match christian values except for a couple of things.
The objection to sex education also requires further scrutiny. It has been shown those excluded from sex education are more likely to be targeted for child sexual abuse. So it makes good sense in that regard. Although yes there can be concerns.

Another poster claimed co-ed bathrooms are a concern. Really? We share the same bathroom at home so no real issue there. Everyone goes into a stall is all and area for washing hands is shared. This also helps overcome legal issues for places in some areas. So offer a cheaper alternative to address those legal issues and I'll listen.

From what people are saying they object to in common core using the maths example of 3x4=11 is misunderstood. When I was at school marks were awarded for working in maths problems. So in one test where I got two formulas mixed up I still got marks because I showed the working. Obviously I did not get a mark for having correct answer. Basically there was one mark for a correct answer and two or three depending on complexity of sum for the working. So in the 3x4=11 if they can demonstrate correct working of maths then they would get a mark for that but still not get full marks. People are just over reacting. Really school should be about learning how to do not learning the right answer. Actually in christianity just learning the answer is very damaging. I have seen many walk away from the faith because they have only been taught what to believe and not why so when they are challenged they have no response. Of course in maths if one uses the correct methods and formula then one should arrive at correct answer. However one mistake in the process should not mean zero marks. Obviously the 3x4=11 example was just a simplistic sum given off the top of their head as an example in a talk explaining things. It would be unrealistic to expect them to use university level mathematics as an example when some of the parents there may not actually understand. Just following the keep it simple to make the point. Yet people seem to be missing the point on that.

TheDag said:

Mostly what I see is unsubstantiated claims with no evidence to support them. People say the same thing is happening here but it isn't. Too many christians respond to equal treatment by saying help help we are being persecuted.
The OP claims union teachers are bad for kids which really is saying unions are bad for christians even though it was christians involved at the beginning of unions and that unions aims very much line up with christian values. It tends to be the republican party whose values do not match christian values except for a couple of things.
The objection to sex education also requires further scrutiny. It has been shown those excluded from sex education are more likely to be targeted for child sexual abuse. So it makes good sense in that regard. Although yes there can be concerns.

Another poster claimed co-ed bathrooms are a concern. Really? We share the same bathroom at home so no real issue there. Everyone goes into a stall is all and area for washing hands is shared. This also helps overcome legal issues for places in some areas. So offer a cheaper alternative to address those legal issues and I'll listen.

From what people are saying they object to in common core using the maths example of 3x4=11 is misunderstood. When I was at school marks were awarded for working in maths problems. So in one test where I got two formulas mixed up I still got marks because I showed the working. Obviously I did not get a mark for having correct answer. Basically there was one mark for a correct answer and two or three depending on complexity of sum for the working. So in the 3x4=11 if they can demonstrate correct working of maths then they would get a mark for that but still not get full marks. People are just over reacting. Really school should be about learning how to do not learning the right answer. Actually in christianity just learning the answer is very damaging. I have seen many walk away from the faith because they have only been taught what to believe and not why so when they are challenged they have no response. Of course in maths if one uses the correct methods and formula then one should arrive at correct answer. However one mistake in the process should not mean zero marks. Obviously the 3x4=11 example was just a simplistic sum given off the top of their head as an example in a talk explaining things. It would be unrealistic to expect them to use university level mathematics as an example when some of the parents there may not actually understand. Just following the keep it simple to make the point. Yet people seem to be missing the point on that.

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This post is very different from what you wrote in post #8 in that it addresses points made in the thread - and you do have some good points.

IMHO, I stated and do agree that objecting to common core is a moot point. It's here and will impact public, private and home school families. I know teachers who span the spectrum from positive to negative to neutral on it. I do believe some of the reaction to common core is more based on opposition to the federal government dictating policy to the states than to the curriculum itself. Your example of partial credit for showing proper concept of how to solve the problem, even if the answer is wrong due to a computation error, is consistent with true learning, as you point out. That is not the excluded in Christian schools, however. They do the same thing.

Often I think we need to look deeper than just the highest level statement. Sex education is necessary and I don't think most non-public school families object to sex education as a concept. It's the implementation that causes concerns. My kids had sex ed in their Christian school, but it was based on biblical understanding and not societal. As Christian parents, that lined up much more with our interpretation of morality and God's purpose for sex that what is taught locally in the public schools.

Can't speak for the one who wrote about the bathroom, but when I read it my thoughts were about the boy who says he identifies as a girl and then is allowed to change in the girl's locker room - despite how uncomfortable it makes the girls feel. To me, that is a problem, and I cannot understand how a school comes to that decision.

For me the reason to send kids for a Christian education isn't to isolate them in a bubble, it's to teach them absolute truth of Christ and God's word while giving them the tools needed to function in our secular society. We were able to get that.

Other's reasons may vary.

I have my children in public school. Part of my ways are to teach them criticisms and the response. As a consequence many a teacher have found themselves at odds with a half pint with a righteous tenacity.

Autumnleaf said:

I have my children in public school. Part of my ways are to teach them criticisms and the response. As a consequence many a teacher have found themselves at odds with a half pint with a righteous tenacity.

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I think it is very good that you teach your children coping skills. If they are happy with the situation then I do not see a problem. However, children are compelled to go to school and it does seem to be placing a burden on them that not all children are able to cope with, no matter how supportive the parents are.