Astronomy, cat companions, cellphones, and faith. Why useless stars but not two way communication?

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Hello folks.Believer here. Wondering if any of you ever look at your cell phones, or pray, and then look at the skies and get angry. I watch these documentaries about cosmos and things. I see these mind boggling comparisons. God put so much energy into junk floating around in the sky. Why can't we get a phone call when our loved ones die? Or hear a voice, or something? And I don't mean something like "an odd tingling sensation when I prayed that one time".

Recently I said goodbye to a feline friend I had for 17 years. From 15 to 32, he was always there, every night. This is the kind of cat that would follow me around the house, come, when I called him. People said the way he meowed at them made him seem like a little person. He was on my bed every night, from the lonely teenage years befor I could drive, to my dad passing, to my sister getting married, to her getting divorced five years later, and so on. Every night for 17 years.

Anyway, as he passed away it has hurt. I started thinking why God can have some stupid gas cloud floating billions of miles away in space for no apparent reason, but won't talk directly to us even in our most painful moments. Think about it: all the energy our species has spent on communicating throughout history. Everything from smoke signals to phone calls and video conferences, and all the electric to run them and maintain them. Yet it is virtually nothing in comparison to one star such as our Sun. We don't have the capability of measuring the number of stars. God made each of those. When has he explicitly communicated to us? Well, we have the Bible. We have Christ's life. But does Christ call us on the phone? Is he walking around here and now to talk with you and tell you he feels your pain? I see those stars still burning and think "well, God has all that energy for all that stuff just burning in the sky, but doesn't have the energy to send some sound waves my way so I can hear " its OK Matthew. Levi is with me now" or something.

I had similar thoughts when my dad passed away, but for some reason this time they hit me harder in my feelings. You know, when I took care of Levi went back to the family farm. I had not read my Bible in a while, and for some reason felt an odd compulsion. "Just open it up", I heard in my head. " but why? I'm exhausted and don't even have the energy to study right now", "you just should. Just open it up.". So I did, and it opened right to the Gospel of Matthew in a section subtitled " Christ calls Levi". Stuff like that gives hope, and I feel a little better. But when I look at what God has done with those pointless balls of burning gas, it sure seems like a pittance. Even visiting us in the flesh once seems like a pittance. It's like "once? Just once? What about the rest of us? We're supposed to just sit here and wonder and struggle with doubt as we suffer?"

For some context, this season of doubt I am having: it all started with an Android app called "Text God". It has a picture of a Cross as the background. You type your message, press "Send", and it says "Message sent!" and erases the messages. It occurs to me, "God has the power to respond to that text message, but He doesn't. When I don't respond to my family's text messages they feel hurt, ignored, and say it's not right for me to not respond." Then, as an engineer I thought how many watts of energy God would have to use to make a text message appear on my phone. Then I thought about how much energy He put in each of those stars. You can probably see the disconnect and cause for introspection.

Please offer your thoughts and share.
 

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Dear KC

First I want to say, "you are in a good place."

Why?

Because I've been there myself, and if you keep on your journey
(i called it frustrated life), you will get answers.

Years ago, after tons of Christian School and then Bible College, I had similar
thoughts to yours. I came to the conclusion that the key to the Kingdom, or
the abundant life JESUS promised - was in this: 'hearing GODS voice!'

I looked to the radio.

I thought, with a flick of the switch or dial (this was some years ago before Internet),
I could hear anything, voices and music all of mankind if you will talking to me. I could hear it easily
and cheaply without effort = but the voice of the SPIRIT - Not a chance!!

Frustrated and bothered was I.

First rule: "be brave enough to challenge your own thinking" (its okay GOD wants it that way.

So, with radio being my example and way of SPIRIT so much better than radio - what was the problem?

"SPIRIT is transmitting but I am not receiving" came to me.
Months passed, and the questions remained "this hearing from GOD, must be easy - but isn't…."

After much perseverance I started to think "GOD speaking must be simple to receive. With much
ease a radio can send their message over great distances, I concluded that HIS way must be easier.

Second rule: Much perseverance - stick-to-it-ness if you will.

Maybe it was so simple (a child could understand) that I was hearing all along and it was
confusion and noise that was drowning it all out.

Remember this sentence I gave a few seconds ago:
"SPIRIT is transmitting but I am not receiving" came to me.

Get that?

Came to me….

You've been hearing HIS voice all along, the challenge is differentiating between
HIS voice (SPIRIT) and your own thoughts and satan's lies and thoughts.

Third rule: You are further along than what you think.
In fact that lie, saying : (in effect) "you're not getting it…it works for others but not you…or any
other garbage that attacks your mind" is the enemy. "Should", is a over used word of satan.

You are in a great place, and you don't even know it.
Blessings to you,

Fourth rule: Its all about JESUS and HIS Grace (un-conditional love).
Last rule: the fruit of the SPIRIT is the key to understanding HIS voice that you already hear.

You are already there!

Blessings

-eric
 
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if God spoke to you in an audible voice, you wouldn't be able to hear Him in a hurricane. if He used a cellphone, you wouldn't be able to hear Him in a service outage. the only way He can speak to you in every possible situation is through your 'inner self', because no outside force can override this. now we know that the devil can also inject thoughts into our minds, so we need a way to recognize God's voice; and He has anticipated that and provided His written word as a confirming witness; He's done all that can be done to ensure we hear Him; but we must 'incline the ear' to recognize His voice.

have you ever faced a daunting technical problem, and suddenly had a moment of clarity and knew exactly what to do? that was you hearing from God. once you exhaust your mental abilities, you still your mind for a moment, and BOOM! - the answer comes; or more correctly said, the answer is heard.

Psa 4:2-4 KJV
(2) O ye sons of men, how long will ye turn my glory into shame? how long will ye love vanity, and seek after leasing? Selah.
(3) But know that the LORD hath set apart him that is godly for himself: the LORD will hear when I call unto him.
(4) Stand in awe, and sin not: commune with your own heart upon your bed, and be still. Selah.

i heard Neil deGrasse Tyson say something on one of his science documentaries that really surprised me; he said that all of man's knowledge can account for only about 2% of what we see happening in the universe; thank God that He doesn't use that 2% as His primary means of communicating with us :)
 
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My thoughts...are not His thoughts, His ways are not my ways...
In prayer, He is the still small voice that speaks to me.

Its all by spirit communication. He came once in the flesh and lived and died on earth, but after pentecost He sent his spirit, or rather, poured it out, on anyone who believes in Him. So, we just have to be open to receive, like a plant drinks in water.

As far as the cellphone and cats are concerned..i believe my cat in my pic..socks, you see was the cat God sent to me when I was lonely, God created everything, and mostly for his delight and us to enjoy. It is not by accident that we get to look after his creation. And also, God gives us the ideas on how to invent cool stuff like cellphones.

As for gas and astronomy, the heavens declare Gods glory. He is vaster than we can imagine...
 
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Dear KC

First I want to say, "you are in a good place."

Why?

Because I've been there myself, and if you keep on your journey
(i called it frustrated life), you will get answers.

Years ago, after tons of Christian School and then Bible College, I had similar
thoughts to yours. I came to the conclusion that the key to the Kingdom, or
the abundant life JESUS promised - was in this: 'hearing GODS voice!'

I looked to the radio.

I thought, with a flick of the switch or dial (this was some years ago before Internet),
I could hear anything, voices and music all of mankind if you will talking to me. I could hear it easily
and cheaply without effort = but the voice of the SPIRIT - Not a chance!!

Frustrated and bothered was I.

First rule: "be brave enough to challenge your own thinking" (its okay GOD wants it that way.

So, with radio being my example and way of SPIRIT so much better than radio - what was the problem?

"SPIRIT is transmitting but I am not receiving" came to me.
Months passed, and the questions remained "this hearing from GOD, must be easy - but isn't…."

After much perseverance I started to think "GOD speaking must be simple to receive. With much
ease a radio can send their message over great distances, I concluded that HIS way must be easier.

Second rule: Much perseverance - stick-to-it-ness if you will.

Maybe it was so simple (a child could understand) that I was hearing all along and it was
confusion and noise that was drowning it all out.

Remember this sentence I gave a few seconds ago:
"SPIRIT is transmitting but I am not receiving" came to me.

Get that?

Came to me….

You've been hearing HIS voice all along, the challenge is differentiating between
HIS voice (SPIRIT) and your own thoughts and satan's lies and thoughts.

Third rule: You are further along than what you think.
In fact that lie, saying : (in effect) "you're not getting it…it works for others but not you…or any
other garbage that attacks your mind" is the enemy. "Should", is a over used word of satan.

You are in a great place, and you don't even know it.
Blessings to you,

Fourth rule: Its all about JESUS and HIS Grace (un-conditional love).
Last rule: the fruit of the SPIRIT is the key to understanding HIS voice that you already hear.

You are already there!

Blessings

-eric

Thank you very much for writing this. It feels to so good to hear what you said about the radio. I broke down a little while reading that. I am reading all you wrote and thinking about it.

One comment I will share is that I've thought about the "Small, still voice", and it confounds me. I've heard things that went through my mind but didn't seem wholly my own. Like in my example where I had the thought to open the Bible. It gives hope, but it's just so meek a solution that it's confounding. Why the confusion? Why make it so difficult? God could make it so easy. This relates to what @Goodbook and @DiscipleHeLovesToo were saying. I can definitely think of times where it seemed like God spoke to me. Once, it sounded like three audible words. I was in a quiet room on the family farm and praying on my knees and I jumped my feet because I thought someone was behind me but there was nobody there. But, even that seems so meager compared to what he could do. And,...

... I think that may be the summary of my difficulties. I see His presence in my life. I see things that appear to be Him working. But what I actually see is so small in comparison to what He could easily be doing that I doubt it. I feel like 'It must be placebo'. Or 'Maybe I imagined it'. Or 'That sounds just like what crazy people experience'. Or 'You're underestimating the power of coincidence'. Truth be told, I hate to trust anything that comes from and happens only in my head, simply for the reason that so many dumb ideas have originated in there!

Well, thank you for your time and guidance. I will pray and give more consideration to a small voice in my head.
 
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Please offer your thoughts and share.
I empathize with you and think you present a very legitimate question. Here's my thoughts:

I think possibly why God does not do what you desire is that it probably wouldn't result in what you desire. If I understand you correctly, you want to hear clearly from God and, from that hearing, to gain faith. This is a good desire, though the means by which you think this desire would be met I believe scripture indicates will not result in your desire being met. Jesus said "If they do not hear Moses and the Prophets, neither will they be convinced if someone should rise from the dead.” (Luke 16:31 ESV) His point being that belief does not come through even the most in-your-face and miraculous of events.

I also think you and I could probably see ourselves in John the Baptist: even after baptizing Jesus, declaring him the messiah, and hearing God say "This is my beloved son", he still was prone to doubt and send the question to Jesus of “Are you the one who is to come, or shall we look for another?” (Luke 7:19 ESV)

So, as much as you and I would like to think our faith would be greater if He was much more, and more often, direct in speaking to us, I think we would be surprised how little our faith would grow from it; we'd probably still find a way to rationalize and doubt.

So we walk by faith and not by sight. Keep walking.

Grace to you.
 
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God is vast but also microscopic in the detail. It may be something you cant quite get your head around but nothing is impossible for Him.

As He is spirit, that he chooses to focus on those who love Him is awe inspiring, think of it like us like mere ants or worms in scale, but God looks after each one and knows the hairs on our head. If we were to talk to the ants out loud they might scatter and be absolutely terrified, so the way we can best communicate is either become an ant ourselves or...speak to them in their minds through the spirit. And also give the ants a bible that shows us who we are so they can read for themselves.

Whle taking care of everything elese involved in say, looking after the ant farm. The ants may not know where their habitat comes from....but everything in their world was orignal,y created to delight its creator.
 
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Thanks for your continued thoughts, guys.
I'd like to add that Scripture does bring some comfort. In particular, [BIBLE John 14/] . Judas' words really are mine: "Lord, why do you reveal yourself to us, but not the world?" . It's like He took the words out of my mouth. "Why God, in Your mind boggling power, do you reveal yourself to one group, in one generation like that, but not to me? Or others?" I wonder are we unworthy?

People say "Well faith, you need faith". Or "Well, if God just showed Himself, there would be no need for faith!" But that treats faith as if it were valuable unto itself. If God created us to be in communion with him, it would be a lot more communible if He would appear even once in our lives. Like when Christ is on the mountain with the disciples and they hear a voice in the clouds. I feel just like Philip "Show us the Father, and that will be enough". Christ replies "do you not believe even after all this time?..." and then He says "believe on the evidence of the works themselves". When I read that I said "THIS IS IT! Christ, I want to believe on the evidence of the works themselves! Show me the evidence of the works. Not archeology and sacred writings! Not uncanny coincidences in my life! Not speaking through situations and my Church members in my life! Dear Jesus, you offered believing on the evidence of the works themselves! I'LL TAKE IT!"

God is so powerful. I would gladly take that. In a prior post, someone said "If God spoke to you in his voice, you could not hear Him in a hurricane". God is so much more powerful than that. He could find a way...
 
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One more thought I had. I've been told God loves and values us more than the stars. Is that biblical? How can that fit in with seeing ourselves as worms?

Please know I come up with these ifs, ands, and buts because I'm honestly curious what other people think.
 
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the stars will pass away; but the reborn in Christ will live forever. we were old sinners, but then we got saved by grace through faith, and became new creatures, and are old sinners no more - we who received the gift of spiritual rebirth were worms, but are not now. we are to see ourselves as the new spiritual creatures that God describes, not as we see ourselves; because our 'sight' is distorted by the flesh.

Job had many of the same questions you're asking now; but God didn't answer any of them directly; God instead pointed out to Job how unqualified he was to question God in this way. when Job realized this, his response serves as an example to us today:

Job 42:1-6 KJV
(1) Then Job answered the LORD, and said,
(2) I know that thou canst do every thing, and that no thought can be withholden from thee.
(3) Who is he that hideth counsel without knowledge? therefore have I uttered that I understood not; things too wonderful for me, which I knew not.
(4) Hear, I beseech thee, and I will speak: I will demand of thee, and declare thou unto me.
(5) I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine eye seeth thee.
(6) Wherefore I abhor myself, and repent in dust and ashes.

Joh 20:29 KJV
(29) Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

be blessed...:)
 
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OK, so I understand the part about how we were sinners, and it's Christ sacrifice on the Cross that makes us valuable. I am familiar with that. It's been a while since I read Job, but I kind of recall things. I don't recall how Job questioned God, but this whole "You're not worthy of asking" sure seems unreasonable. My biggest thing I am looking for is affirmation of God's presence and His love. A real affirmation. Not 'strange coincidences' or God working in my life through my parents and siblings, which even atheists see. In the Bible we're told over and over that God loves us, wants to be with us, etc. Why is it out of place to ask for better understanding of that? The response that "Humans are to insignificant to understand, so don't ask", sounds like a way of saying "Be quiet an don't ask questions". Especially, so, given I am not so much questioning God as asking questions. The former is meant to undermine or defy, the latter is a sincere desire.

It seems like I may be asking questions that nobody can really answer. Or, that God doesn't want to have that kind of communion with us. Or, that He doesn't care. Or, that He's just not there. That is why all this week I have been crying, wailing, heaving dryly, getting exhausted and falling asleep. Rinse and repeat. I feel a lot of despair.

Jesus says in John 14 "ask me anything in My name and I will do it". I know that doesn't mean "add 'in Jesus name we pray' to your prayers and you get what you want". It means ask anything that glorifies Him, acts to His plan, and is parallel to His will. What could fit that description more than wanting to hear Him, do as He says and "believe on the evidence of the works themselves", and have meaningful, full, two-way communication? Either that kind of closeness and love is not within His will, or ... my most frightening doubts may be true.

If you can back me into a corner on this... I would much appreciate it. However, if this is frustrating for you, then just let me know.
 
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no Brother; i'm not frustrated - i hear from God all the time, although not as you demand to hear from Him; i strive to conform to His wisdom, rather than expecting Him to conform to mine - and i don't find myself crying, wailing, etc. over the fact that He won't yield to my preference. if you moved to germany, would you expect everyone there to learn english so they could speak to you in a way that you're comfortable with, or would it be more productive for you to learn german? God created you, and He's smarter than you are - but yet you expect Him to change the way He communicates to suit your preference, as if you know better than Him? what if your parents had spoken baby talk back to you ever since you first began to try to utter words, and never encouraged you to learn how to speak as an adult; would that have made it easier for you to communicate with them?

the devil can pervert anything and everything you perceive with your 5 senses, but he can not pervert what you perceive with your 6th sense - your spiritual sense. God 'speaks' to you from inside you because this is the most efficient and reliable way for you to 'hear' Him. stop asking Him to speak to you in baby talk and strive to learn His adult language of the spirit, or you'll be lamenting this for the rest of your life; He's smarter than you and will not change to suit your preference because He knows it would stunt your spiritual growth - He has your best interests at heart, and He's smarter than you are - agree with Him!
 
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If I can just add a little bit here (okay with my rambling, maybe more than a little bit, lol) but with Job, and really
anyone in the Bible or anyone you meet in the world, we have to 'judge them right'…or see them the way GOD does.

AND THIS HAS NEVER CHANGED….(big type, to make my point)…

And its this:

GOD looks at man and deals with man according to their response to HIS love.
And its the same with you all, you do this too.

You are dealing with your children, and extend good or love to them. They take that but in turn treat you badly…and that bothers you.
Or conversely they treat you with hugs and joy - and that strengthens you.

Since 'love' is the most powerful thing in the universe and most highly (worthy) thing in the universe, then it can
only want ONE thing - and that is nothing less, than love. But for love to be love it has to be risked and 'given' hoping
for a return (more love) thus completing the circle and energizing love (love squared if you will).

Now the Bible teaches (and shows) that GOD is Love. HE doesn't have it, and if you 'had it', you could lose it. Rather
HE is LOVE…and so LOVE is actually a person or really SPIRIT.

Back to how GOD sees us:
1) HE loves us and loves the cranky folks too (for GOD so loved the world ...) tons of scripture showing the Compassion
of JESUS and the comfort of the SPIRIT etc…
2) HE has demonstrated HIS love. Romans 5:8 in fact it says that "HE has loved you with an everlasting love"
Jeremiah 31:3
3) So HE makes salvation of HIS own arm (comes as JESUS) see Isaiah 53 to rescue us from ourselves and show
us 'who HE really is like'. Full of Grace and Truth… John 1:14

Okay, so where is the trouble with Job or any of us?

Its either we come to GOD knowing we are scumbags (in me dwells no good thing) see Romans 7:18
Or we come to GOD religiously (like every world religion does, including the christian church one).
Religions are back to Adam making his leaves for covering. Its man-made, and it never gets
fully into Grace.

So, we are either religious (doing what our religion says to do, and only tricking ourselves that we are really doing it).
or we are sinners, throwing ourselves fully on to Grace (GOD's unmerited un-conditional love, which is what HE is like).

Job was religious.

We all have our Galatians experience.
It puts us in the pride full place of GOOD on our own, and that
leads us away from Grace to legalism (or our self-effort) and to the curse.
see Galatians 1. GOD is not cursing us, its us moving away from the way
things are to 'doing it our own way', and find out that drives us mad.

I could elaborate here, but am convinced that all our mental problems all the way to our mental hospitals are full of folks that are trying to do good and can't stop the evil that is right beside me, and puts them on a never ending hamsters wheel, and never getting there. Law (legalism) brings death. Romans 7:10

We start as sinners, lost and dead in this world.
The Law is our school master, showing us the way to what is right (but it continually like a mirror exposes
all our wrong doing). Who here has really loved their neighbour like you love your own family???? NOBODY if we are honest. And even if we can do that, we have to do it perfectly - completely all the time.

So, the law does a good job, rather a great job in getting us to see ourselves as bad as we really are.

Then we either play the game of world religions trying to figure things out, trying to do what is right. After all that is
what good christians do, don't they. You will find that every religion of the world (including that cosy christian one too),
has its own special days, holy book, important people, sacred prayers, favourite songs, and logical laws like do not kill
and don't cheat written in some way shape or form. They are all virtually the same.

Then JESUS comes, and wants us to 'come away', or in other scriptures "let them go, so they can worship me".

They get either trapped by their sins.
Or get trapped in their religion. (all the do's and don'ts).

GOD wants freedom.
GOD wants spontaneous reckless Love.
GOD wants joy.
GOD wants mystery and fulfillment in our days on earth.

We are offered the Kingdom but
we settle for church.

JESUS had full compassion and tenderness to the lost folks around HIM.
HE had harsh words, and a firm message to the religious and 'keepers of the law' who interfered
with HIS love message.

The bar is so high, that is the goal that is perfection.
JESUS completed the impossible, and reached and over took that high bar.
All we have to do is enter HIS love and throw ourselves (by faith) into HIS victory and relax.

Its all been done.
now go love, and do whatever you want.

-eric
 
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Listening with our ears is different to listening with our hearts as Jesus is a heart-dweller for our permanent supernatural protection, positive healing and righteousness. The Word Of God cannot be destroyed - Hitler tried to destroy it and if he did, the human race would not last very long if Germany became the only race on Earth, which would result with in-breeding of closely-related family and friends, a nation with incurable genetic disorders, far worse than a deadly virus epidemic and nuclear radiation exposure combined.;'*';.
Bible prophecy in Revelations might be puzzling to such a degree, you can easily reject it as some kind of joke, even Satan's negative reaction to God's future prophecy is so sinfully spiritually blinded that he doesn't believe that Jesus will defeat him after his persecution on the cross and his resurrection as the most powerful being in the universe besides Jehovah Father God:.
Patience is needed and is one of the fruits of Jesus Christ for your ease of grace and peace be with you, as well as every living believer of Christ anywhere on Earth in spiritual union with Jesus Christ where distance between us and Jesus is a bond so close, you can never be alone as long as Jesus Christ's spiritual abundance of peace and joy will keep us in focus until his Second Coming future victory return of his physical evidence of himself, his invincible eternally young and healthy genius-intelligent mind and measure-perfect body,
as we too will receive our
1) new genius-intelligent minds of Christ so that we will know the Word of God in great depth and clarity without confusion, ridicule or frustration - especially those who did not have a chance to read it, such as the two criminals who died on the cross alongside Jesus:.
2) new measure-perfect bodies of Christ so that the correct body-shape and body-height will give us the confidence to socialize without feeling self-consciousness of a negative appearance,
plus I believe that sex is not necessary for both pleasure and population growth because of our Jesus Christ's supernatural power of eternal youth and spiritual abundance of peace and joy, once we become new brothers and sisters of Christ inside the most advanced and construction-safe home accommodation: the kingdom of God on a new paradise Earth.;'*';.
 
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