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This verse has been worrying me.

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Revelation 21:8

8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.


I have agoraphobia and really bad social phobia. I'm incredibly fearful, especially of people, which is keeping me from witnessing to others. Am I destined for hell?

There is also this one:

2 Timothy 1:7

For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.


There are other similar verses I've found as well.

I wonder if maybe I'm not saved. Maybe I don't have the Holy Spirit at all. My fear consumes me. I don't have the part about a sound mind either. I've suffered from schizo affective disorder for 17 years since I was 13. If I don't take my medications I'm irrational, impulsive, paranoid, and angry to the point of rage. Or depressed to the point of contemplating suicide. Even when I do take my meds, they often stop working as well and my worst symptoms begin to reappear.

At my best I'm still disabled to the point where I can't work. Mostly because of my severe anxiety issues.

I'm nothing but constantly terrified and out of my mind at least half the time it seems.

I've been told I'm crazy many times. What's worse is that I've been told I'm possessed and not saved by another Christian before as well. That there is no such thing as mental illness. That psychiatry is evil and I need to stay away from it. I'm afraid they are right. I pray all the time about this.

I actually hate the meds because they are hard on my body and make it harder for me to think, learn, and recall. I want to wean my self off of them and just give it up to God. He has taken my depression away before when I've been suicidal and prayed to him for help and he helped me overcome drug abuse problems as well. Maybe with enough faith and prayer and Bible study I could get better. At least to the point of some basic functionality. But at the same time I can remember how cruel I am and how sick I get when I stop them. I don't want to hurt my family, myself, or anybody else.


So what do you all think about these verses and mine and others salvation in relation to them? Will I go to hell because of my fear? I'll admit I'm still a young Christian and haven't read the entire Bible yet so I'm very confused. I don't have a church to go to because I can barely leave the house most of the time.

Also do you think others are right? Is mental illness just a sham? Should I give up my meds, slowly of course, and just trust in Jesus instead relying on psychiatry and psychology to fix me?

Sorry this is long and maybe not as clear as I want it to be. Once I got started typing it kind of poured out. I appreciate all opinions and advice on this. Thanks.
 

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I have bipolar disorder and generalized anxiety.

I do not believe that mental illness is demon possession. I think it is an illness of the brain and it is real. If you had diabetes, no one reasonable would tell you that it's due to demon possession and to stop taking your meds. Why can't brain mis-wiring get the same care and attention? I don't think people who take the view that mental illness is not real are speaking from a Godly perspective, but from another perspective that seeks to destroy.

Please don't stop taking your meds or seeking medical help. And by all means, add prayer to your regimen of care. For myself, I find that prayer and medication on the promises in scripture greatly adds to the benefit of the medication. As to the medication side effects, etc., that's something to work with your doctor, of course, for balancing with the benefits.
 
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Revelation 21:8

8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.


I have agoraphobia and really bad social phobia. I'm incredibly fearful, especially of people, which is keeping me from witnessing to others. Am I destined for hell?

There is also this one:

2 Timothy 1:7

For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.


There are other similar verses I've found as well.

I wonder if maybe I'm not saved. Maybe I don't have the Holy Spirit at all. My fear consumes me. I don't have the part about a sound mind either. I've suffered from schizo affective disorder for 17 years since I was 13. If I don't take my medications I'm irrational, impulsive, paranoid, and angry to the point of rage. Or depressed to the point of contemplating suicide. Even when I do take my meds, they often stop working as well and my worst symptoms begin to reappear.

At my best I'm still disabled to the point where I can't work. Mostly because of my severe anxiety issues.

I'm nothing but constantly terrified and out of my mind at least half the time it seems.

I've been told I'm crazy many times. What's worse is that I've been told I'm possessed and not saved by another Christian before as well. That there is no such thing as mental illness. That psychiatry is evil and I need to stay away from it. I'm afraid they are right. I pray all the time about this.

I actually hate the meds because they are hard on my body and make it harder for me to think, learn, and recall. I want to wean my self off of them and just give it up to God. He has taken my depression away before when I've been suicidal and prayed to him for help and he helped me overcome drug abuse problems as well. Maybe with enough faith and prayer and Bible study I could get better. At least to the point of some basic functionality. But at the same time I can remember how cruel I am and how sick I get when I stop them. I don't want to hurt my family, myself, or anybody else.


So what do you all think about these verses and mine and others salvation in relation to them? Will I go to hell because of my fear? I'll admit I'm still a young Christian and haven't read the entire Bible yet so I'm very confused. I don't have a church to go to because I can barely leave the house most of the time.

Also do you think others are right? Is mental illness just a sham? Should I give up my meds, slowly of course, and just trust in Jesus instead relying on psychiatry and psychology to fix me?

Sorry this is long and maybe not as clear as I want it to be. Once I got started typing it kind of poured out. I appreciate all opinions and advice on this. Thanks.


I have depression and anxiety disorder as well. We who have these types of disorders are not at fault. The brain is an organ, and like any other organ, it can have problems that are not the person's fault.

Additionally, the world can be a dangerous place and almost everybody has some anxiety at times because of this. Its a natural defense, the "fight or flight" response. If you didnt have anxiety at times, there is probably something wrong with you. But some people, like me and you, have anxiety when there is no cause which is a problem. Sometimes anxiety for no reason is caused by PTSD.

I really dont think Jesus would send us to hell for these reasons. Sometimes you have to use reasoning and judgement when it comes to subjects such as this. Just do the best you can.
 
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The brain is an organ, and like any other organ, it can have problems that are not the person's fault.

I really dont think Jesus would send us to hell for these reasons. Sometimes you have to use reasoning and judgement when it comes to subjects such as this.
I don't have any of these disorders, I do know a couple of people who do.
I agree with both of these statements. God loves all of you and asks you to trust Him, just love Him back.
 
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