justme,
1. The body does return to the dust for this was the judgement on Adam to begin with (Genesis 3:19).
2. 1 Corinthians 5:4 is talking about our earthly body and the need for mortality. Verse 1; Our tabernacle, the body is not made with human hands but is eternal in heavens.
3. The earthly body dissolved doesn't mean that there is nothing left from that earthly body to resurrect.
1 Corinthians 15 tells us about the resurrection of the body. In verse 38 every seed his own body is given to each man and woman. The fleshly body was sown in corruption because we were born into sin and the physical body is contaminated by the curse of sin and this is why Paul said our vile body had to be changed (Philippians 3:21): Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself. The changing of the vile body being changed is the usage of our earthly body to be fashioned like unto his glorious body. If the vile body is not being changed then we are just given another body and new body does not have to be resurrected. Our earthly bodies were not resurrected, they were created.
4. While it is not the same exact body we have it would be the dust as far as the dead in Christ. Those who are caught up in the rapture that have not died in a moment will be changed just like those who are dead is not from the dust for we are alive. It is said our bodies are changed from corruptible to incorruptible. The mortal has to put on immortality. This is speaking of the physical body being changed to have immortality. The mortal putting on immortality does not sound like being given a new body for it would be given immortality to begin with.
5. Luke 23:43: is about Jesus saying to the thief that he would be with him in paradise. Paradise was the bosom of Abraham located in the earth below in a compartment of hell that had a gulf that separated the saved and unsaved. This is seen in the true story of Lazarus and the rich man. It was the soul that was alive and not the body for the body went back to the dust and yet he could be seen.
Jesus didn't pass through the rock to re-enter his physical body and there is no scripture that I know of that implies that.
6. Acts 10:40 does not say that God raised him up the third day to become visible. It says to shew him openly and it was physically in shewing him to the disciples and 500 brethren who were eyewitnesses of the resurrection (1 Corinthians 15:6). Acts 1:3: To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God.
7. God being invisible or Christ being invisible just means that he is not seen by those who are not close enough to see him or in a different place than others. If I am in one state and you the other you cannot see me visibly with your eyesight but it doesn't mean I am invisible as being a nothingness of visibility. It just means that I am not in range of being seen.
8. 2 Corinthians 4:18: the eternal things are not seen for we have not inherited those things on earth for we are finite. The context is about what we have to look forward to. No invisibility because of being a nothingness of visibility but because we haven't taken on the eternal and immortal yet. Only then will it to be physically seen.
So from the context of the scripture it appears that our tabernacled will be changed and this is the context of being dissolved; the changing being mortal to immortal. God bless! Jerry kelso
justme,
1. The body does return to the dust for this was the judgement on Adam to begin with (Genesis 3:19).
2. 1 Corinthians 5:4 is talking about our earthly body and the need for mortality. Verse 1; Our tabernacle, the body is not made with human hands but is eternal in heavens.
3. The earthly body dissolved doesn't mean that there is nothing left from that earthly body to resurrect.
1 Corinthians 15 tells us about the resurrection of the body. In verse 38 every seed his own body is given to each man and woman. The fleshly body was sown in corruption because we were born into sin and the physical body is contaminated by the curse of sin and this is why Paul said our vile body had to be changed (Philippians 3:21): Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself. The changing of the vile body being changed is the usage of our earthly body to be fashioned like unto his glorious body. If the vile body is not being changed then we are just given another body and new body does not have to be resurrected. Our earthly bodies were not resurrected, they were created.
4. While it is not the same exact body we have it would be the dust as far as the dead in Christ. Those who are caught up in the rapture that have not died in a moment will be changed just like those who are dead is not from the dust for we are alive. It is said our bodies are changed from corruptible to incorruptible. The mortal has to put on immortality. This is speaking of the physical body being changed to have immortality. The mortal putting on immortality does not sound like being given a new body for it would be given immortality to begin with.
5. Luke 23:43: is about Jesus saying to the thief that he would be with him in paradise. Paradise was the bosom of Abraham located in the earth below in a compartment of hell that had a gulf that separated the saved and unsaved. This is seen in the true story of Lazarus and the rich man. It was the soul that was alive and not the body for the body went back to the dust and yet he could be seen.
Jesus didn't pass through the rock to re-enter his physical body and there is no scripture that I know of that implies that.
6. Acts 10:40 does not say that God raised him up the third day to become visible. It says to shew him openly and it was physically in shewing him to the disciples and 500 brethren who were eyewitnesses of the resurrection (1 Corinthians 15:6). Acts 1:3: To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God.
7. God being invisible or Christ being invisible just means that he is not seen by those who are not close enough to see him or in a different place than others. If I am in one state and you the other you cannot see me visibly with your eyesight but it doesn't mean I am invisible as being a nothingness of visibility. It just means that I am not in range of being seen.
8. 2 Corinthians 4:18: the eternal things are not seen for we have not inherited those things on earth for we are finite. The context is about what we have to look forward to. No invisibility because of being a nothingness of visibility but because we haven't taken on the eternal and immortal yet. Only then will it to be physically seen.
So from the context of the scripture it appears that our tabernacled will be changed and this is the context of being dissolved; the changing being mortal to immortal. God bless! Jerry kelso
1. Yes, Genesis 3 tells us we will return to dust. Man originally came from dust, he will return to dust.
Ecclesiastes 12 says it the same way...
and the dust returns to the ground it came from,
and the spirit returns to God who gave it.
Here we see the separation of body and spirit. Peter defines that for us in 2 Peter 1:13-15.
Peter is still Peter but he as left his earth body behind.
2. The body in 2 COR 5 is the heavenly body given by God. That is the body we will inhabit for eternity as we live in heaven. Given by God not made with hands. The old earth body decays in the grave.
3. Oh, I would say there is nothing of the body to resurrect. Flesh serves no purpose in the afterlife.It is the immortal soul which is the inner being of each of us that lives forever, the body decays. No need to worry tho as God covers that immortal soul with that heavenly body of 2 COR 5:1.
Yes, our vile body is changed, just as Jesus was. Our vile body is changed to what Jesus IS. Jesus is a spirit in a spiritual or heavenly body. A body invisible to mortals.
1 COR 15:44 says definitively, that we are raised a spiritual body. That is one of the two bodies available to man, the earthly (natural) and the spiritual (heavenly). The natural body , the one we are in now, comes first. After that we will bear the image of the heavenly man, 1 COR 15:49. The heavenly man is described here:
col 1
The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
1 Tim 1
Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory for ever and ever. Amen.
WE are being changed. We are being changed from a earth dwelling being to a heavenly dwelling being. There is no need of anything physical in heaven. It is well known that flesh and blood can not enter the kingdom of heaven. Flesh serves no purpose in heaven, we have no further need of flesh, we need only our immortal soul.
4. I would have to see biblical proof there is a rapture first. NO LIVING person, in the new covenant, can ever leave this earth and arrive in heaven for eternity. No person, once arriving in heaven, can ever leave heaven. Heaven is the one and only option for the righteous dead. Again , 2 COR 5:1.
5. Jesus spoke with the thief, Jesus spoke in the prison. That was the first night after His death. His earth body had been placed in a locked tomb. IF the spirit was to return to the body of Jesus on the third day, that spirit had to pass thru the rock or the body had to pass thru the rock. One of God's laws tells us that two physical masses can occupy the same space at the same time. So then YES, the Jesus who met with the thief, either passed thru the rock or the Jesus who met with the thief never entered the tomb in the first place. The bible is not specific on what happened but my guess would be that Jesus was always as spirit from the moment He died. God animated the earthly boy of Jesus to display to the witnesses to verify eternal life for all believers.
Yes our bodies become immortal. That process is the result of death, decay of the earthly body and the gift of the heavenly body from God. That heavenly body is just the carrying case for the immortal soul as the earth body was the carrying case for the soul on earth.
6. Actually, yes Acts 10:4o does says God granted He become visible. The NASB says it directly and the manuscripts take the word fro the Greek...emphanēs.... which, according to Strong, means :
manifest....
fig. of God giving proofs of his saving grace and thus manifesting himself
7. No I don't think so. We can't see God becaue He i around the corner???? NO We as mortals can not see God because He is spirit.
John 4
24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”
Jesus became flesh to live among man, then after His death Jesus became spirit again, 1 cor 15:45. Jesus remains a spirit in a spiritual body or heavenly body.
8. Yes we are finite or we are temporal. Things eternal are unseen, God is eternal , God is invisible.
I see the whole issue as being explained in a few verses. Phil 3:21 tells us we will have a body as Jesus does. Jesus, to me as a kinda trinitarian, is God, God is spirit. Jesus is also spirit, 1 COR 15:45. Verse 44 tells me flat out I will be raised a spiritual body. We can make excuses as to why these verses say the opposite of the words within them, but I don't. I take it word for word.
Justme