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My husband is diabetic,. He lost 95 lbs, while taking his insulin. Now there is debate. His primary says he is no longer a diabetic as his blood sugars are down, all his other doctors still insist that he is. He lost the weight without exercising, as he couldn't do much, he had had 6 surgeries on his ankle and knee and was in a wheel chair for most of it. He just ate less. For some reason, Metformin cuts his appetite, take him off it, his weight goes up. And the guy lost the weight while still eating candy every day!! I am also diabetic. But can't shake the blubber, I keep my A1C down with Ceylon Cinnamon--(not Vietnamese ,or other only the true stuff)I take it in capsule form, and Alpha Lipoic Acid. What works for one, won't on another--I also know plenty of normal weight people with diabetes and they stay away from sugar.
 
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I'm a type 2, now quite well controlled. The newer drugs such as saxaglyptin do work better, and make it easier to lose weight. There isn't really a cure, even though there's a lot of quacks claiming there is one, but it's perfectly possible to control the condition well enough to live a normal life.
 
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Add daily essential oils to your life. :)

Specifically myrrh and ocotea. You can take Young Living products by mouth. I'd also recommend rubbing them on daily and diffusing them daily. If you want to sign up, message me.

I use them every day for every thing. I treat with them as well, and have great success. They have lowered my blood pressure and cure my illnesses. I am hoping they protect me from cancer.

http://theocoteanewsletter.com/2012/09/17/diabetes-and-young-living-essential-oil-products/
 
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Add daily essential oils to your life. :)

Specifically myrrh and ocotea. You can take Young Living products by mouth. I'd also recommend rubbing them on daily and diffusing them daily. If you want to sign up, message me.

I use them every day for every thing. I treat with them as well, and have great success. They have lowered my blood pressure and cure my illnesses. I am hoping they protect me from cancer.

http://theocoteanewsletter.com/2012/09/17/diabetes-and-young-living-essential-oil-products/

What illnesses have these substances cured?
 
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What illnesses have these substances cured?

In myself: sinusitis, colds, possibly the flu, yeast infections, pink eye, and urethritis. They have lowered my BP and I inhale them in steam when I am having trouble with asthma. I have used them to anoint me spiritually, which helps in my relationship and meditations with God. In other people: sometimes they can cure UTIs, but not always, lessen chickenpox effects, decrease cold sore outbreaks, and combat skin disorders (from acne to cancer).

That is why I am sure they would at least help, if not cure, hypertension.
 
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I thought Dr. Kendrick has had some interesting and thought provoking articles on type 2 diabetes, what is it, and what does not help as hoped. I was a little surprised to read that a few studies have found diabetes medications not terribly good at preventing secondary outcomes.

"Turning diabetes upside down"

http://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2015/08/04/turning-diabetes-upside-down/

excerpt from his article:

"...If the blood sugar rises, whatever the underlying cause, we call it diabetes and drive it down…sigh. The more it rises the harder you drive it down….Sigh. The lower you get the blood sugar down the better…sigh. How do you do this? Mainly by giving drugs that force beta-cells to produce more insulin, or by adding in drugs that work with insulin to lower blood sugar levels, or by injecting additional insulin.

How well does this work? Some of you will have heard of the ACCORD study, others will not. In this study researchers, tried to force blood sugar levels down as far as possible using intensive treatment. They found the following:

‘Until last week, researchers, doctors and every medical professional has believed for decades that if people with diabetes lowered their blood sugars to normal levels, they could not only prevent the complications from diabetes, but also reduce the risk of dying from heart disease. But the Accord Study, (for Action to Control Cardiovascular Risk in Diabetes), a major NIH study of more than 10,000 older and middle-aged people with type 2 diabetes has found that lowering blood sugar actually increased their risk of death.2’

There is one other way of lowering blood glucose, by using insulin ‘sensitising’ drugs. In diabetes most doctors look at metformin as the wonder drug. This drug improves ‘insulin sensitivity’ i.e. it helps to reduce insulin resistance. It is the absolute mainstay of type 2 diabetes treatment. Once again, however, it is targeted at purely the insulin/glucose model:

‘Metformin has been the mainstay of treatment for type 2 diabetes since 1998 when the UK Prospective Diabetes Study showed reduced mortality with metformin use compared with diet alone. Recently a French meta-analysis of 13 random controlled trials questioned the central role of metformin in the care of patients with diabetes. In this meta-analysis, in which 9560 patients were given metformin and 3550 were given conventional treatment or placebo, metformin did not significantly affect the primary outcomes of all cause mortality or cardiovascular mortality. The secondary outcomes—myocardial infarction, stroke, heart failure, peripheral vascular disease, leg amputation, and microvascular complications—were also unaffected by treatment with metformin.’3

Today we have a virtually unquestioned model of diabetes that is very simple, and easy to understand..."
 
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I am not the least bit sure of what you are saying. Are you suggesting that we don't actually lower the blood sugars of a diabetic? Do you realize that they will die if we don't lower the blood sugars? This is an immediate threat, not a long term complication. Are you suggesting that we stop treating diabetics? The blood sugar rise when you put sugar in the blood stream by eating anything with carbohydrates...I don't care if this is a cupcake or a green bean...carbs get converted to glucose and travel around in the blood until insulin is made available for the glucose to be transported into a tissue cell metabolized into energy. The blood sugars don't rise on their own (not sure what the constant sighing is about)...they rise because sugar is added to the body and they stay high if there is no insulin present to transport the glucose into the cell where it can be used. Some oral meds do allow the body to produce more insulin or use the insulin available more efficiently. Dietary changes can limit the amount of glucose present so that maybe the insulin still made by the body can actually handle the lower load without intervention. Or we just add insulin to the blood (no different than an normal body would via the pancreas) to the point it can process the present glucose in the blood.

What I am reading is that you seem to believe that if we just stopped treating the high blood sugars that the patients would have the same rate of long term complications as those being actively treated? I kind of think that they would often die of acute complications long before gangrene or vision loss even became an issue.
 
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Okay...I just read the link and I still have no idea what the doctor is suggesting. We don't give insulin to lower the blood glucose to levels that stimulates glucagon production which then forces the blood sugars back up...the blood sugars shouldn't ever get that low in well managed diabetes. The goal is to the blood sugars in a relatively tight range of not too low or not too high. I don't think taking away the glucagon stimulating ability would actually solve the problem of high blood glucose. Something needs to actually bring it down when it gets too high...and if it does get too low, then something needs to force it back up. His solution appears to be to destroy the body's safety checks on both sides of the equation...making it easier to go too high or to completely bottom out. The end result of both conditions is a dead body. I guess a dead body has pretty stable blood sugars but that is the only way any of this makes any sense to me.
 
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I'm gratefully as a type 2 diabetic that some on here get this. I am near my ideal weight and eat right and am still on insulin and pills. I find it offensive that someone would suggest I would be cured if I would just eat better.
It simply isn't that easy for some people
Control what you can control. The results will follow, but there are no guarantees, just probabilities. As research progresses, there may well be better treatments in the near future. Keep plugging away.:oldthumbsup::oldthumbsup::oldthumbsup: In addition avoid negative people as much as possible and avoid unnecessary negativity in general.
 
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This was interesting and unexpected. I ran across the work of Dr. Walter Kempner. He was a refuge from NAZI Germany that came to America finding work at Duke Medical school. There he conducted dietary work specializing in reversing type 2 diabetes and kidney disease. He created a bland high carb, rice and fruit diet, at least for the initial phase of the eating plan for patients. He was famous in his day with wealthy individuals and celebrities flocking to his clinics (Rice Houses) to control their diabetes, kidney disease and loose weight. He is viewed as helping create Duke Medical school into becoming a well known dietary pioneering school.

His dietary plan, and some pictures of some patients can be seen at:

http://rawfoodsos.com/2015/10/06/in-defense-of-low-fat-a-call-for-some-evolution-of-thought-part-1/

excerpt from a long article:

"...Here’s one for the Paradox Files.

In the 1930s, a man by the name of Walter Kempner fled an increasingly Jew-hostile Germany and landed square in the halls of Duke University… where he proceeded to totally blow the medical community’s mind. His mission: treat kidney disease. His solution: put renal-failing folks on a special diet low in sodium, protein, and fat—a menu devised from in vitro experiments he’d done on kidney tissue.

At the time, very few researchers believed that food could have any effect on kidney disease. Or high blood pressure. Or diabetes. Or heart disease. Or most other chronically wrong-going things in the body. As with Ancel Keys, who was pretty much laughed out of the WHO conference where he presented his “fat causes heart disease” idea, Kempner spent the first chunk of his career swimming upstream in a river of skepticism.

But his colleagues’ dubiousness didn’t last long. After placing patient after so-called-hopeless patient on his unique regimen, it became clear that Kempner’s diet worked. Really ridiculously well. And it became equally clear that the kidney wasn’t the only body part made happy by the new cuisine. Obesity, diabetes, high blood pressure, heart failure, coronary artery disease, psoriasis, and arthritis often saw major improvement or total reversal as a result of the diet. During the course of his career, Kempner treated over 18,000 patients with the above conditions—all by changing what went on the stabby end of their forks.

So what was in this mystical diet of his? Brace yourself!

  • White rice
  • Fruit
  • Fruit juice
  • Refined table sugar
  • In some cases, vitamin supplements (A, D, thiamine, riboflavin, and niacin)
…And not a darned thing else. Kempner summed up the details himself in a 1974 article, readable here:

A patient takes an average of 250 to 350 gm. of rice (dry weight) daily; any kind of rice may be used provided no sodium, chloride, milk, etc. has been added during its processing. … All fruit juices and fruits are allowed, with the exception of nuts, dates, avocados and any dried or canned fruit or fruit derivatives to which substances other than white sugar have been added. Not more than one banana a day should be taken. White sugar and dextrose may be used ad libitum; on an average a patient takes about 100 grams daily, but, if necessary, as much as 500 grams daily should be used. Tomato and vegetable juices are not allowed.

In other words, it was the CARBPOCALYPSE. Along with feasting on impressive amounts of white rice, people were averaging 100 grams of pure sugar a day, and some ate over a pound of it. That’s up to 2,000 calories from refined sugar alone—the same amount deliciously packed into 25 Cadbury Creme Eggs.

(Wisely, Kempner knew his diet was at no risk of being crowned Dietary Homecoming Queen. He apparently described it as a “monotonous and tasteless diet which would never become popular,” and whose only saving grace was the fact that it worked. And as I mentioned in my AHS presentation, he apparently whipped some of his patients in order to help them comply, as—in his words—”the risk to their life was so great that it warranted harshness.” Ouch!)

Here’s a breakdown of how the diet panned out, macronutrient-wise. Image from Duke University files; red graffiti my own doing, to indicate percent of total calories:



...What’s really noteworthy is that the diet wasn’t automatically calorie restricted. In fact, some patients had to increase their energy intake to help them gain weight, or to stabilize their weight if they were losing too much. That’s important, because it means we can’t write this off as a diet that improved biomarkers solely by inducing weight loss (Twinkie Diet, I bow in your general direction). It also means that many people spontaneously ate less than they needed when stuffing their faces with unlimited amounts of starch and sugar… as long as fat intake was super low.

If this seems totally baffling and Twilight-Zoney, that’s because it is. According to my calculations, there is an 84% chance that you are now Googling “rice diet Snopes” or contacting my mother to inquire about my recent psychotic break (joke’s on you; she thinks I’m great!). I urge you to keep reading, though, because we’re about to get to the ooey, gooey data at the center of this carb-filled Tootsie Pop..."
 
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This Thread...

Recovery does not allow debate.

Please stick to the topic of the OP, and be respectful.

Remember, your best course of managing Type 2 Diabetes is through education and consultation with your physician. Posts made here are personal experiences and opinions.Use caution while making medical decisions.If your treatment is not working, please consider a second opinion.

Above all... be blessed.
 
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This was interesting and unexpected. I ran across the work of Dr. Walter Kempner. He was a refuge from NAZI Germany that came to America finding work at Duke Medical school. There he conducted dietary work specializing in reversing type 2 diabetes and kidney disease. He created a bland high carb, rice and fruit diet, at least for the initial phase of the eating plan for patients. He was famous in his day with wealthy individuals and celebrities flocking to his clinics (Rice Houses) to control their diabetes, kidney disease and loose weight. He is viewed as helping create Duke Medical school into becoming a well known dietary pioneering school.

His dietary plan, and some pictures of some patients can be seen at:

http://rawfoodsos.com/2015/10/06/in-defense-of-low-fat-a-call-for-some-evolution-of-thought-part-1/

excerpt from a long article:

"...Here’s one for the Paradox Files.

In the 1930s, a man by the name of Walter Kempner fled an increasingly Jew-hostile Germany and landed square in the halls of Duke University… where he proceeded to totally blow the medical community’s mind. His mission: treat kidney disease. His solution: put renal-failing folks on a special diet low in sodium, protein, and fat—a menu devised from in vitro experiments he’d done on kidney tissue.

At the time, very few researchers believed that food could have any effect on kidney disease. Or high blood pressure. Or diabetes. Or heart disease. Or most other chronically wrong-going things in the body. As with Ancel Keys, who was pretty much laughed out of the WHO conference where he presented his “fat causes heart disease” idea, Kempner spent the first chunk of his career swimming upstream in a river of skepticism.

But his colleagues’ dubiousness didn’t last long. After placing patient after so-called-hopeless patient on his unique regimen, it became clear that Kempner’s diet worked. Really ridiculously well. And it became equally clear that the kidney wasn’t the only body part made happy by the new cuisine. Obesity, diabetes, high blood pressure, heart failure, coronary artery disease, psoriasis, and arthritis often saw major improvement or total reversal as a result of the diet. During the course of his career, Kempner treated over 18,000 patients with the above conditions—all by changing what went on the stabby end of their forks.

So what was in this mystical diet of his? Brace yourself!

  • White rice
  • Fruit
  • Fruit juice
  • Refined table sugar
  • In some cases, vitamin supplements (A, D, thiamine, riboflavin, and niacin)
…And not a darned thing else. Kempner summed up the details himself in a 1974 article, readable here:

A patient takes an average of 250 to 350 gm. of rice (dry weight) daily; any kind of rice may be used provided no sodium, chloride, milk, etc. has been added during its processing. … All fruit juices and fruits are allowed, with the exception of nuts, dates, avocados and any dried or canned fruit or fruit derivatives to which substances other than white sugar have been added. Not more than one banana a day should be taken. White sugar and dextrose may be used ad libitum; on an average a patient takes about 100 grams daily, but, if necessary, as much as 500 grams daily should be used. Tomato and vegetable juices are not allowed.

In other words, it was the CARBPOCALYPSE. Along with feasting on impressive amounts of white rice, people were averaging 100 grams of pure sugar a day, and some ate over a pound of it. That’s up to 2,000 calories from refined sugar alone—the same amount deliciously packed into 25 Cadbury Creme Eggs.

(Wisely, Kempner knew his diet was at no risk of being crowned Dietary Homecoming Queen. He apparently described it as a “monotonous and tasteless diet which would never become popular,” and whose only saving grace was the fact that it worked. And as I mentioned in my AHS presentation, he apparently whipped some of his patients in order to help them comply, as—in his words—”the risk to their life was so great that it warranted harshness.” Ouch!)

Here’s a breakdown of how the diet panned out, macronutrient-wise. Image from Duke University files; red graffiti my own doing, to indicate percent of total calories:



...What’s really noteworthy is that the diet wasn’t automatically calorie restricted. In fact, some patients had to increase their energy intake to help them gain weight, or to stabilize their weight if they were losing too much. That’s important, because it means we can’t write this off as a diet that improved biomarkers solely by inducing weight loss (Twinkie Diet, I bow in your general direction). It also means that many people spontaneously ate less than they needed when stuffing their faces with unlimited amounts of starch and sugar… as long as fat intake was super low.

If this seems totally baffling and Twilight-Zoney, that’s because it is. According to my calculations, there is an 84% chance that you are now Googling “rice diet Snopes” or contacting my mother to inquire about my recent psychotic break (joke’s on you; she thinks I’m great!). I urge you to keep reading, though, because we’re about to get to the ooey, gooey data at the center of this carb-filled Tootsie Pop..."

Hi. This is interesting for sure.

The only comment I have is that we know cancer loves sugar. Most alternative cancer treatments therefore advocate leaving off ALL dextrose or added sugar in food, and just eating whole foods.

This diet might help the diabetes and kidney profile but I would wager that it increases cancer risk.

Thank you~
 
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Hi. This is interesting for sure.

The only comment I have is that we know cancer loves sugar. Most alternative cancer treatments therefore advocate leaving off ALL dextrose or added sugar in food, and just eating whole foods.

This diet might help the diabetes and kidney profile but I would wager that it increases cancer risk.

Thank you~

I've thought about that, would the rice diet increase cancer. Maybe, but maybe not. I wish more was known in that regard. I have been hoping to come across something on the doctors work on cancer, but haven't so far. It might be out there, he documented many health improvements seen, I just haven't gotten around to looking into it yet.

I say possibly not for a few reasons on why Walter Kempner's Rice might not raise cancer risks. In theory if type 2 complications are placed into remission cancer risks should decrease. One of the increased risks associated with active type 2 diabetes is the increased risks of different cancers. The two might be connected, but I don't believe anyone knows for sure.

Kempner's rice diet also lowered blood sugar levels in most patients, which was surprising to read. (It in some respects it reminded me of the old theory that eating cholesterol rich foods increases testing cholesterol levels over time. We know that for the majority of people that is not the case.)

Additional information from Denise Minger's article:

http://rawfoodsos.com/2015/10/06/in...for-some-evolution-of-thought-part-1/#kempner

"...For starters, Kempner was just as perplexed as us modern-day health enthusiasts might be when it comes to the effect his diet had on diabetics. As he penned in the paper you cannot see:

We have for the past 15 years treated numerous diabetic patients with the rice diet. Since more than 90 percent of the calories in this diet are derived from carbohydrates, it was anticipated that increased amounts of insulin would be necessary to keep the blood sugar at its previous level. However, the opposite proved to be true. … Not only is the rice diet well tolerated but in many instances the blood sugar and the insulin requirements decrease.

In this report, Kempner analyzed 100 diabetics who’d entered the rice diet program between 1944 and 1955. All of them strictly followed the diet for at least three months (often much longer), and they were observed an average of nearly two years—with some folks monitored for up to eleven years after they’d first embarked on the carby cuisine.

The findings? Ladies and gents, place your bets…

More than half of those 100 diabetic ricers—63%—actually saw their fasting blood sugar drop by at least 20 mg/dL during the diet. Only 15% had their blood sugar go up significantly. The remaining 22 saw little to no change.

To get a visual sense of those numbers, here’s an aptly named pie graph (don’t worry; it’s fat andcarb free!). “Increased” or “decreased” is defined as a change of at least 20 mg/dL:

fasting_blood_sugar_rice_diet.jpg


Let’s repeat that: eating almost nothing but starch and sugar and fruit, the majority of diabetic patients lowered their blood sugar levels. In fact, when everyone’s results were pooled together, the average blood sugar change was a drop of 47 points...."

"....Just to be clear, the point here isn’t that the rice diet is the Best Thing Ever for diabetics and everyone should trade their insulin pumps for a metric ton of Skittles (nobody needs to taste that many rainbows). After all, 15% of the rice-dieting diabetics actually got worse, many of the improvers still had above-normal blood sugar (despite huge drops from baseline), and we could probably hack Kempner’s protocol to make it more nutritionally sound without ruining its therapeutic effects. Clearly, it ain’t perfect. All I’m saying is that these results totally fly in the face of what most of us consider possible. Sugar and white rice improving diabetes? Blasphemy!

All that said, an important critical-thinky question remains: was this all just a byproduct of weight loss? We know that restricting calories and dropping pounds can definitely boost insulin sensitivity and glucose control, regardless of whether the diet used is particularly healthy. It’s one thing to not be diabetic because you’re eating kale and grass-fed buffalo whose ancestors were blessed by Sacagawea, and another to not be diabetic because you’re living on napkins and crack. Can we at least say that the successful diabetics were the ones who lost weight throughout the program, spontaneously eating less, unamused by a diet that had exactly one-and-a-half flavors?

NOPE. As Kempner pointed out, any obese patients were indeed encouraged to lose weight—but the improvements in blood sugar levels and insulin requirements occurred “both in patients who lost weight and in those who did not have a significant weight change” (his words). Kempner’s data, both in this paper and in the massive collection of his work filed away at Duke University, showed that the diet could benefit diabetics even when their weight and energy intake didn’t budge.

And it didn’t end there. The rice diet also proved helpful for heart failure. It rapidly healed psoriasis. It excelled at its original goal of treating high blood pressure. The “good for” list stretched on nearly as far as those endless bowls of rice! As early as 1949, Kempner had observed that the rice diet was healing more than 70% of his seriously ill, not-responding-to-other-treatments patients from a wide spectrum of disease backgrounds. That figure stayed pretty stable as the decades rolled on...."



The other item that made me think that possibly Dr. Kempner's diet might decrease cancer risks is from what Professor Seyfried of Boston University has said. Professor Seyfried has been working with the sugar free ketogenic diet to prevent and fight cancer. Reportedly he is having some success with it. In an interview he makes an interesting mention though. The professor brings up that it is not enough to avoid sugar when fighting cancer. In order to make the Keto diet work, fasting or avoiding all food is required also. He mentions that other substances in our diets can fuel cancers growth. In that light it had me thinking Professor Seyfried's dietary work, where few to no foods are eaten, might not be much different from what Dr. Kempner observed with his bland rice and fruit diet served at Duke University. Hard to say, and just a guess on my part though.

An interview of Professor Seyfried were he talks about eating sugar free and fasting to fight cancer can be seen at:

The Benefits of a Ketogenic Diet and Its Role in Cancer Treatment

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/06/16/ketogenic-diet-benefits.aspx
 
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Yeah, I have not done much research on fasting yet, but I do believe it is part of a healthy lifestyle. Even though a lot of nutritionists have been taught that it is bad for our bodies, I bet researchers just haven't delved deep enough yet, as is often the way with complex processes.

Basically, eating how God intended us to eat is what will be the best for our bodies all the way around. Using plants, and everything in them, is essential for staying well and fighting disease. Eating kosher. Fasting often. Walking. Eating a lot of sugar is not really natural so it is not good for us overall, even though some clinical markers might point to the contrary in the short-term.
 
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There is a doctor named dr.Westman(http://healclinics.com/)(he is also on the the low carb diet himself for 14 years running) who runs clinics that completely rid a person of type 2 diabetes by using a low carb diet. I am currently on one myself after getting type 2 diabetes and my bloodwork is normal now. I am very surprised no one mentioned this diet as the only known cure because it works and fast. Most people lose 10 pounds the first week or 2. Low carb diets were used before insulin was discovered and prolonged patients lives. It was used with type 1 diabetes but it is guaranteed to work for type 2 diabetes. Of course if you have permanent type 2 diabetes there may not be anything for that because of the physical damage done to the organs. But I'm assuming you aren't at that point yet.

Low carb diets replace sugar with sugar substitutes the one I recommend is stevia. This doesn't cause headaches or gastric distress like sugar alcohols. Another sugar replacement is erythritol. I must stress that a low carb diet isn't easy but it is easier than the starvation diets that most people know about. If you do have type 2 diabetes it is clear you are one of the 75% of society who don't tolerate carbohydrates. Knowing this it is important to think of carbs as toxic for your body. Let me also state that the body does not need carbohydrates to function. Your body will go into a state called ketosis which will turn your body into a fat burning machine. Also your brain will function more efficiently while in ketosis. Good luck.
 
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Congratulation and good for you ImAlllike...! Dr. Westman's program seems to be a good one. I read his book along with Jimmy Moore's on the ketogenic diet and it's many positive health effects. As you mention I know it isn't the easiest diet to follow long term, but it seems to get results.

I'm also familiar with Dr. Jay Wortman. He developed type 2 diabetes, and as a result began following a high fat, low carb diet. He later made a film about Canadian native American indians that were overweight and often diabetic. Many of the Indians in the film returned to their native diet of high fat, low carb. As a result many saw their diabetes go away. I have not seen the film myself, but have read about it. Dr. Wortman's web sight can be seen at:

http://www.drjaywortman.com

Just to mention I did post earlier one of Dr. Davis's articles on how he advices type 2 diabetic patients. Dr. Davis asks that patients avoid carbohydrates, along with not being afraid of eating fat. He's program is a little different from Dr. Westman's but with many similarities.

I didn't know if I would post this, but in light of Dr. Westman's ketogenic diet, high fat, thought I would.

Earlier I posted about Dr. Walter Kempner's rice, sugar, fruit and some vitamins, vitamin A in particular, diet and how that was curing, or maybe better said putting into remission, many diabetic patients. I thought I would investigate vitamin A, see how diabetics use the vitamin. Vitamin A was the only fat Dr. Kempner had in his rice diet. And the high fat ketogenic diet seems to help many diabetics. What I found was very interesting. I don't believe vitamin A is a cure for diabetes, but it might help with one of the major complications of the disease, blindness.

Just to mention, synthetic vitamin A is not the same as vitamin A found in foods. Synthetic vitamin A is not likely helpful. I did not find what kind of vitamin Dr. Kempner was giving patients. The information is undoubtably available somewhere but my guess is most likely he was giving concentrating fish liver oil to patients, as that was the popular type vitamin A given at the time.

What I found is this. There are two types of vitamin A. There is the plant form of vitamin A. The plant form goes by many different names, the most famous being carotenoids or beta carotene. There are between 500 to 600 plant vitamin A compounds.

Then there is the animal form of vitamin A. The animal form of vitamin A is also a group of several different compound that when grouped together are labeled as vitamin A.

The animal form of vitamin A performs different functions in the body from the plant forms of vitamin A.

According to most sources, it is easy for the body to convert plant vitamin A compounds into the animal form of vitamin A. For example it is frequently mentioned that orange colored plants, such as sweet potatoes, are high in vitamin A. No distinction is made between the plant form of vitamin A from the animal form.

Where it gets interesting, at least I thought interesting, is some write diabetics are unique in that they are not able to convert the plant form of vitamin A into the animal form of vitamin A. One mention on this lack of ability to concern plant A to animal A can be seen here:

http://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/abcs-of-nutrition/vitamin-a-vagary/

snippet:

...But the transformation of carotene to retinol is rarely optimal. Diabetics and those with poor thyroid function, a group that includes at least half the adult US population, cannot make the conversion. Children make the conversion very poorly and infants not at all —they must obtain their precious stores of vitamin A from animal fats —yet the low-fat diet is often recommended for children.2 Strenuous physical exercise, excessive consumption of alcohol, excessive consumption of iron (especially from “fortified” white flour and breakfast cereal), use of a number of popular drugs, excessive consumption of polyunsaturated fatty acids, zinc deficiency and even cold weather can hinder the conversion of carotenes to vitamin A3, as does the low-fat... diet. - See more at: http://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/abcs-of-nutrition/vitamin-a-vagary/#sthash.PR1XcKMm.dpuf

So I wondered how true was this. Has anyone tested giving one group plant vitamin A to diabetic patients and another group with diabetes the animal vitamin A. I didn't find much. What I did find was this. In Dr. Vic Shaye's book, Man Cannot live on Vitamins Alone, was this mention:


On page 178 was this small study, with reference:

"... A group of 20 patients with juvenile diabetes mellitus were studied, and all were found to have poor light adaption by the Frober-Faybor biophotometer. Three of the group were subjectively aware of night blindness, and nine showed cutaneous (pertaining to the skin) changes to compartible with vitamin A deficiency. The daily administration of 60,000 USP units of vitamin A in the form of crystalline carotene dissolved in vegetable oil, for as long as 14 days did not affect the light adaption of the patients with diabetes mellitus. The daily administration of 60,000 USP units of vitamin A to patients with diabetes in the form of concentrated fish liver oils caused their light adaption to return to normal or nearly normal in periods ranging from 3 to 21 days. The cause of poor light adaption in patients with juvenile diabetes mellitus appears to be an inability to convert carotene into vitamin A."

If it is true, that diabetics struggle to convert plant carotenoids to animal vitamin A, it likely is helpful to eat some animal fats high in natural vitamin A, such as liver, dairy products etc.
 
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There are a lot of things one can do to control type 2 diabetes until God cures you. First of all type 2 diabetes is making your cells more impervious to insulin. The problem is not not a lack of insulin but the ability of your cell to use to transform sugar to energy for the rest of your body. Taking more insulin over time increases resistance in your cells to absorb use insulin to change sugar to energy.

There are many things you can get from health store or use your browser to search... to help your cells to become less resistant to your insulin. Such as for example Cinna pure or other products that strips the oil of cinnamon. Cinnamon spice contains oils that can damage organs if taken in great quantity. So look for something that concentrate the key ingredients of Cinnamon and it will help with your diabetes. There are other products that works with your cells to energize them and help them become more efficient in transforming sugars to energy. But they cost a lot. Exercise is crucial..with this. If you exercise a lot you can eat things like apple pies,,,ice cream in small quantity. Preferably your exercising is done after supper. Fasting is good for the Spirit as well as for the body. Also drink lots of water. Fasting starves your cells from sugars and help clean your blood from excessive sugars. IF you fast one or two days a week...your cell resistance to insulin should begin to decrease for a time. There was a time I ate only one meal a day.....Sure I would have a spike ..but it would be only one for that whole day... for the next 21 hours or so...my body could deal with the rest of it. I went more protein than carbo.

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I have type 2 diabetes and was wondering if there is any cure for this disease.I lived with it for years and it is quite hard to live with cause of the sweets out there I like to try. I know god can make me a stronger person but for some reason I can have doubts. I do not like to live like this with diabetes. And is there any cure for this disease or not? I wish I didn't have it.
I forgot when I was diagnosed with diabetes so I can't explain any farther.
 
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