Nephesh #5315 Genesis 2:7

ChetSinger · Sep 5, 2015

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If one does not believe physical death came into existance at the fall but that death always existed, what is physical bodily resurrection? And also as an individual that believes Christ will always reign from the Kingdom of God and not in physical Jerusalem, what is the point of redeeming creation? It has been in this state since the beginning.

The belief in our physical resurrection has been part of our faith since the beginning, as shown in the link I provided. After all, Jesus' resurrection was a physical one: his body was no longer in the tomb. Certainly your church's teachers are aware of this. They probably have a Statement of Faith you can consult.

-57 · Sep 5, 2015

Adam would have died the day he ate but instead an innocent animals died in Adams place and became his covering. God showed His mercy.
.....sound familiar?

gluadys · Sep 5, 2015

The point of redeeming creation is to save what God loves and cherishes. Paul makes it pretty clear that it is all of creation which is to be brought into the realm of God's rule, not just human beings.

Judgment is the purging of all that is evil from the created world so that all that is good is loosed from the oppression of Satan's rule and admitted to the liberty and joy of Christ's kingdom of love.

random person · Sep 6, 2015

-57 said:
Adam would have died the day he ate but instead an innocent animals died in Adams place and became his covering. God showed His mercy.
.....sound familiar?

No man can be saved by the blood of animals. Atonement needs to be made yearly.

random person · Sep 6, 2015

ChetSinger said:
The belief in our physical resurrection has been part of our faith since the beginning, as shown in the link I provided. After all, Jesus' resurrection was a physical one: his body was no longer in the tomb. Certainly your church's teachers are aware of this. They probably have a Statement of Faith you can consult.

Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. Acts 2:27

Only Jesus was promised not to see corruption, the rest of us will see corruption. Our bodies return to dust and to dust they shall lie.

What Christians don't realize is our inheritance is heaven, not a redeemed earth. We have no other inheritance outside of Heaven. We will spend eternity with God there.

gluadys · Sep 6, 2015

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What Christians don't realize is our inheritance is heaven, not a redeemed earth. We have no other inheritance outside of Heaven. We will spend eternity with God there.

Yet scripture never speaks of "going to Heaven" as if it were a place apart from earth.

What it does speak of is the reign of God coming to earth.
Rev. 21:3

Then one will no longer speak of "heaven and earth" for they will be one.
God himself will then dwell on earth in the new Jerusalem and be its light.
Rev. 21:22

-57 · Sep 6, 2015

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No man can be saved by the blood of animals. Atonement needs to be made yearly.

The animal was a "type" of Christ. True, the animal didn't save them...it was their faith that saved them. Didn't you recognize the Gospel in Genesis?

-57 · Sep 6, 2015

gluadys said:
Yet scripture never speaks of "going to Heaven" as if it were a place apart from earth.

What it does speak of is the reign of God coming to earth.
Rev. 21:3

Then one will no longer speak of "heaven and earth" for they will be one.
God himself will then dwell on earth in the new Jerusalem and be its light.
Rev. 21:22

Currently people Go to heaven and it is a place apart from earth. In the future heaven will be on earth.

ChetSinger · Sep 7, 2015

random person said:
Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. Acts 2:27

Only Jesus was promised not to see corruption, the rest of us will see corruption. Our bodies return to dust and to dust they shall lie.

What Christians don't realize is our inheritance is heaven, not a redeemed earth. We have no other inheritance outside of Heaven. We will spend eternity with God there.

Your denial of the physical resurrection is outside the orthodox Christian faith. But keep searching, especially among the church fathers, and I think you'll come around.

gluadys · Sep 7, 2015

-57 said:
Currently people Go to heaven and it is a place apart from earth. In the future heaven will be on earth.

I agree with the final sentence. Not sure about the first, but not interested in discussing it either.

BobRyan · Sep 7, 2015

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And the LORD God formed man of the dust (aphar # 6083) of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul (nephesh #5315). Genesis 2:7

Is immortality really unconditional? We generally hear that Adam was created immortal, not subject to death, and that because of Adam's sin, he died physically, as did his descendants.

But was Adam created immortal, not subject to physical death? It appears not. Let's briefly review the Bible's teaching concerning man being a living soul. The word soul in the Old Testament comes from the Hebrew nephesh, which fundamentally refers to man's animal life, i.e., the life he shares with all animals. Hence, in Genesis 2:7, we read:

And Jehovah God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul.

In Genesis 3 God said that man would "live forever" if he had continued access to the tree of Life - so an Angel was placed there to make sure that did not happen.

BobRyan · Sep 7, 2015

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Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. Acts 2:27

Only Jesus was promised not to see corruption, the rest of us will see corruption. Our bodies return to dust and to dust they shall lie.

What Christians don't realize is our inheritance is heaven, not a redeemed earth. We have no other inheritance outside of Heaven. We will spend eternity with God there.

Not according to Rev 21 and Is 66. Both of those chapters declare that a New Earth is going to be made for us.

And in Rev 20-21 we see that this earth is enveloped by a lake of fire - and then the New Earth emerges from it.

BobRyan · Sep 7, 2015

-57 said:
Currently people Go to heaven and it is a place apart from earth. In the future heaven will be on earth.

In Rev 21 - the New Jerusalem comes down out of heaven - to earth.

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