[MOVED] Jesus the False Prophet

Frogster · Sep 4, 2015

Lulav said:
Thanks for reiterating what I said in the Op, at least a part.

Summed up is not exactly what he did, he explained that the 10 hung off the two that were not in the ten.

The first he spoke of is called the Shema Hear O Israel, the L-RD our G-d the L-RD is one. And you shall love the L-RD your G-d with all your heart, with all you soul and with all your might, that comes from Deuteronomy
and the one like it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself" which comes from Leviticus.

Now all else falls into those categories. and looks like the chart below

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It is called the 'law of love' and the Torah teaches one how to do so. John spoke about this:

By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and observe His commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome. 1John5:3

To love the children of G-d you must first love G-d and the way you love G-d is to keep/observe his commandments.

1. He rebuked them for putting man made commandments over G-ds commandments.
2. You are correct he never said to obey the man made laws (Jewish laws) but he did say to Keep G-ds laws, G-ds commandments. If he hadn't he would have lead them astray from the one True G-d and would be a false prophet as the OP is all about.

Could people love before the law, or where they never heard of the law?

Frogster · Sep 4, 2015

Winken said:
Amen. Go through these in order:

Romans 3:25-4:8

Romans 3:20-24

Romans 15:4

There was no "hope" in the Law. The "hope" (calm, confident assurance) is Grace through Faith, and therefore justification, being declared "just as if we have never sinned."

Acts 9:4-5

Galatians 3:7

Romans 4:1-5

Job 38:1-6

Galatians 4:30

Genesis 12:1

good stuff!

daydreamergurl15 · Sep 4, 2015

I think you forgot the part where it said that he "fulfilled" the law. By fulfilling the law, He abolished it and fulfilled the prophecy in Jeremiah 31:31 in which God said that there will be a new covenant.

Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah---

Read in context it goes from verse 31-34

My bad, that was me, I mean Jer. 31:31.

Frogster · Sep 4, 2015

Lulav said:
The prophets of course were prophesying a return to G-d a return to his ways, that hasn't changed. Jesus cannot replace his own law.

no, the prophets looked for Grace..and it was Jesus in them, they were not looking for the law, Peter said so...hehehehe

1 Peter 1:10 Concerning this salvation, the prophets who prophesied about the grace that was to be yours searched and inquired carefully, 11 inquiring what person or time the Spirit of Christ in them was indicating when he predicted the sufferings of Christ and the subsequent glories.

Frogster · Sep 4, 2015

Lulav said:
I'm sorry you don't understand the intent of the OP. I am quite positive that Jesus would not consider it as you have. If you think it is 'garbage' to say that accusing Jesus of bringing people back to the L-RD the father then you won't understand the point.

I find it seriously an insult to G-d to say his son came to teach his people to NOT keep his word, to NOT keep his commandments. And if you believe that's what he did then you must also believe according to G-ds word, his Torah, his instructions, that he was a false prophet. You can't separate the two things.

Try and reconcile this with what you said

17“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

You have a choice of your position in the Kingdom, inside the gate or outside.

We are not entering by law, but by faith, read the text please. He who believes, not works...is already passed from death to life..

.John 5:24 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.

See John 3:18 also. It is about faith, Jesus said so!

18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.

Frogster · Sep 4, 2015

Michael Collum said:
Because they were jews and it was the transitional generation. and Peter didn't keep the law.

great point! often overlooked, it was a transitional time, things changed slowly, but as you know Hebrews was written as they were coming up on their 40 year testing time too, and they were admonished not to go back to Judaism.

Standing Up · Sep 4, 2015

Lulav said:
No quotes from Paul in the OP, nothing about him there so I don't understand why you would have this question?

I think it was explicit in the Title and the whole op that it is about Jesus.

My error. Sorry.

Wasn't it Christ who said your righteousness must exceed that of the Pharisees?

Open Heart · Sep 4, 2015

Michael Collum said:
Because they were jews and it was the transitional generation. and Peter didn't keep the law.

Sure he did. "Surely not, Lord!" Peter replied. "I have never eaten anything impure or unclean." Acts 10:14

Open Heart · Sep 4, 2015

Frogster said:
then why don't you like them?

No one likes someone else telling them what to do.

Open Heart · Sep 4, 2015

Frogster said:
there is OT text, that says he will not justify the wicked, but Romans 4 says he now does.Unless of course unsaved people think they were not wicked...hehehehe

He has ALWAYS forgiven those that repent.

Open Heart · Sep 4, 2015

Frogster said:
They had to grow and learn too, and 70 AD proved that Jesus was right...not one stone left, no more temple, no priesthood, no offerings, no circumcision.

These were men that were personally instructed by Jesus! Your "transitional" idea just doesn't make sense. If Jesus had wanted them to leave the Law, he would have so instructed them.

Open Heart · Sep 4, 2015

Frogster said:
The Jewish Christians in Antioch were living as gentiles, Peter was living as a gentile, Barnabas was, Paul was, that is a FACT.

Old stuff Froggie. Rehashed and replied to. Give me new material.

Gregory Thompson · Sep 5, 2015

Open Heart said:
Sure he did. "Surely not, Lord!" Peter replied. "I have never eaten anything impure or unclean." Acts 10:14

Read the whole story?

Open Heart · Sep 5, 2015

Michael Collum said:
Read the whole story?

I have. No where in the story does it say that Peter began eating treif.

Gregory Thompson · Sep 5, 2015

Open Heart said:
I have. No where in the story does it say that Peter began eating treif.

Did you know that Paul identified forbidding people to eat foods is something demons teach?

enforcing dietary laws is just not a christian theology.

Open Heart · Sep 5, 2015

Michael Collum said:
Did you know that Paul identified forbidding people to eat foods is something demons teach?

Oh such balogne.

Gregory Thompson · Sep 5, 2015

Open Heart said:
Oh such balogne.

So you're saying scripture is baloney. Noted.

Standing Up · Sep 5, 2015

Or a pun ...

Open Heart · Sep 5, 2015

Michael Collum said:
So you're saying scripture is baloney. Noted.

No, I'm saying Scripture doesn't say what you claim.

Pink Spider · Sep 6, 2015

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