Hoarders,...oh,i mean preppers,

probinson · Sep 4, 2015

The best way I know to care for those I Love is to lead them to have a personal relationship with their Savior. I want them to know that this world is not their home, and when the day comes that their time on this earth is through, they have a hope and an eternal future with their Savior who Loves them.

The hard truth is, any natural "protection" that we provide for those we Love is an illusion at best. Yes, I do what I can in the natural for my wife and children just as we all do, but none of us is guaranteed tomorrow. There is, IMO, far too much emphasis on holding on to this fleeting life in the prepping movement and not nearly enough emphasis on the eternal hope that we have regardless of what disaster or catastrophe comes our way.

We could have 10,000 barns stocked full of food representing years of toiling eradicated in an instant by one big kaboom. And it won't have meant a thing if we haven't impressed upon all of those that we Love the hope that they can have through Jesus Christ.

SavedByGrace3 · Sep 4, 2015

I just know I am going to do all I can to protect and keep my loved ones safe as long as I can.
It is not just this command:

1 Timothy 5:8 KJV
8 But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house,
he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel...

It is love. One is not being nonspiritual because they desire their children prosper and be in health. No where does God expect us to forfeit spiritual life for physical life. He wants us to be well and live a long life regardless of the circumstances. Nobody is suggesting that we forget about God and trusting Him in all things. It is offensive to suggest that people who prep are worldly and neglecting spiritual matters. That is nonsense. We see in 1 John words concerning that false idea:

1 John 4
20 If a man says, I love God, and hates his brother, he is a liar:
for he that loves not his brother whom he has seen, how can he love God whom he has not seen?

People can talk spiritual love and faith all they want, but as long as they neglect the physical needs of their family, present and obvious future, well... I wonder.

The strongest expression of this idea is here:

Matt 25
34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world.
35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in,
36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink?
38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you?
39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’
40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

Sounds pretty worldly to me. Why is this indiviual so obsessed with these worldly things? Not very spiritual sounding to me. Should be more spiritually minded.
Oh oh.... this is Jesus speaking. He seems to be implying that if you do not love those you see how can you claim to love the Lord you do not. sounds like "for he that loves not his brother whom he has seen, how can he love God whom he has not seen?"

Frankly... as the scripture says, to fail to care for your loved ones is denying the faith and is worse for an infidel. After all the religious speech is spoken and religious ideas laid out; in the end, what does one who loves their family do?

Love compels one to care for those who are needy, now, and those who will be needy tomorrow.

1 John 3
17 But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need,
and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?

Of course I suppose we could avoid this problem by being destitute ourselves. I doubt that is a good strategy.

This is also true about the future...

Proverbs 13:16
A wise man thinks ahead; a fool doesn't, and even brags about it!"

So... after all the religious speech echoes into the ethos I am going to care for my loved ones needs, both spiritual and physical.

As I have said before... if all you spiritual(sic) people find yourselves and your families starving, or thirsty, or naked, or sick... come on by and I will be glad to feed you, give you water, give you clothes, nurse you to health. You can lecture me about how nonspiritual I am as I do it. :help:

Alithis · Sep 4, 2015

Didaskalos said:
1 Timothy 5:8 KJV
8 But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house,
he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel...

.. balanced with another scripture which displays the absolute need to listen and obey in each situation ..

Jesus said, "Truly I say to you, there is no one who has left house or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or farms, for My sake and for the gospel's sake, 30but that he will receive a hundred times as much now in the present age, houses and brothers and sisters andmothers and children and farms, ...

so we see here there is also a time to leave and forsake .. and the truth is where there is faith being practiced there is no greater provision for our loved ones that can be supplied
for there is a greater sin then not providing carnal needs of the body and that is not providing the spiritual truth of faith in God first to ones own household -
it is notable in context of that verse that it is preceded by the warning of .. "But the widow who lives for pleasure is dead even while she lives." -which clearly displays an importance of the spiritual emphasis of what he is saying .. not the needs of the outer body

SpiritPsalmist · Sep 5, 2015

Alithis said:
.. balanced with another scripture which displays the absolute need to listen and obey in each situation ..

Jesus said, "Truly I say to you, there is no one who has left house or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or farms, for My sake and for the gospel's sake, 30but that he will receive a hundred times as much now in the present age, houses and brothers and sisters andmothers and children and farms, ...

so we see here there is also a time to leave and forsake .. and the truth is where there is faith being practiced there is no greater provision for our loved ones that can be supplied
for there is a greater sin then not providing carnal needs of the body and that is not providing the spiritual truth of faith in God first to ones own household -
it is notable in context of that verse that it is preceded by the warning of .. "But the widow who lives for pleasure is dead even while she lives." -which clearly displays an importance of the spiritual emphasis of what he is saying .. not the needs of the outer body

Brother, it sounds very much like you are judging those who are preparing, who've said they are giving now as they expect to give in the future, and you are implying they are not being as spiritual and as trusting in the Lord, nor have they left all behind to follow Yeshua as you because of it. It seems that no matter what is said, you have a reason as to why it's not good enough. I know you'll say I'm being a bit overly sensitive, however, that is very much how your words are coming across to me....unless one is doing the same thing you are doing, unless we're just blowing it all to the wind and going through the streets and throwing all we have out for any who want it then it's being done wrong. Are you and your family living on the street because you gave away your house to someone on the street? Are you and your family not eating because you gave all your food away? Have you given up your job so someone else could work in your place and now you and your family are living on the street, homeless, and without food? Of course not. Yet, that's what your words are implying, that those who have stored up in preparation in order to help themselves AND others survive in time of need are supposed to be doing instead of preparing. There is nothing wrong with preparing...yes, you've said that already. So why do you continue to berate and imply that those who are preparing are not trusting God in the manner that you feel you are? Where do you suppose, in the scripture you provided about receiving a hundred times more that the hundred times more comes from? I'd guess it's those who prepared and opened their homes and their storehouses to the ones who had nothing and were cast out by their families and friends who were not believers, they were run out of their towns where they were not wanted (due to their faith) and found no refuge except in those who were of the household of God and HAD prepared and were able to invite those cast outs who had nothing, and share their homes with them. That's what that scripture is talking about. Or do you think that that the 100 times more stuff just poofed into existence and showed up out of nowhere?

Alithis · Sep 5, 2015

SpiritPsalmist said:
Brother, it sounds very much like you are judging those who are preparing, who've said they are giving now as they expect to give in the future, and you are implying they are not being as spiritual and as trusting in the Lord, nor have they left all behind to follow Yeshua as you because of it. It seems that no matter what is said, you have a reason as to why it's not good enough. I know you'll say I'm being a bit overly sensitive, however, that is very much how your words are coming across to me....unless one is doing the same thing you are doing, unless we're just blowing it all to the wind and going through the streets and throwing all we have out for any who want it then it's being done wrong. Are you and your family living on the street because you gave away your house to someone on the street? Are you and your family not eating because you gave all your food away? Have you given up your job so someone else could work in your place and now you and your family are living on the street, homeless, and without food? Of course not. Yet, that's what your words are implying, that those who have stored up in preparation in order to help themselves AND others survive in time of need are supposed to be doing instead of preparing. There is nothing wrong with preparing...yes, you've said that already. So why do you continue to berate and imply that those who are preparing are not trusting God in the manner that you feel you are? Where do you suppose, in the scripture you provided about receiving a hundred times more that the hundred times more comes from? I'd guess it's those who prepared and opened their homes and their storehouses to the ones who had nothing and were cast out by their families and friends who were not believers, they were run out of their towns where they were not wanted (due to their faith) and found no refuge except in those who were of the household of God and HAD prepared and were able to invite those cast outs who had nothing, and share their homes with them. That's what that scripture is talking about. Or do you think that that the 100 times more stuff just poofed into existence and showed up out of nowhere?

well sometimes i continue what I post off the back of what i posted to others, so im guessing you may have missed pieces out ..

for instance i also said : -
-and of course we should be helping those in need now - Always (and many are im sure )those that are not need to get convicted ,repent and get going .
willing to be a martyr is bold speak and i understand the sentiment .but few who speak thus are wiling to give up an hour to spend an hour in prayer let alone give up their life .the intellectual sentiment and the spiritual reality are two very different things ..one comes from a carnal view the other from the power of the holy Ghost within -one is of the flesh the other to the glory of God .
im not sure why you speak of self defense of a nation ? all the nations of the world will fall when the lord returns .i only mentioned a warning against self preservation as a motivation for prepping .

- of course God is able to provide .. sometime he does so miraculously .. some times he does so through people, some times he does so through telling us to prepare in advance .. we cant "box" this topic up into a singular one size fits all package . to one he says .. go to another he says stay to another he says you will be carried where you would not go and to another he says ..if I will that he never die ..what is that to you ? -we must each seek the lord ,listen and obey what he tells each of us to do .

i just encourage all.. do so from love and obedience -- not from fear and self preservation.

seekingsolace · Sep 5, 2015

SpiritPsalmist said:
Brother, it sounds very much like you are judging those who are preparing, who've said they are giving now as they expect to give in the future, and you are implying they are not being as spiritual and as trusting in the Lord, nor have they left all behind to follow Yeshua as you because of it.

I think maybe you are reading too much into posts. We all get very defensive when we don't agree or like the message. Assuming another is judging because they stick to the Scriptures as they understand them is presumptuous. As Alithis has said, without taking sides - is to trust in God with love and obedience, being led by Him how He purposes. I expected accusations of 'judgment' would be aimed at me, not Alithis. So for what it's worth, I think you mistook his/her intent.

The issue is, and the reason I continue to post. Is to highlight the fallacy in trusting in human reasoning. I am not going to waste time replying to Didaskalos because his posts border on abusiveness. Choosing scriptures out of context, twisting meanings or selecting a single proverb does not support a position. These posts are so far from the plain truth of Scriptures that I am genuinely concerned. Anyway, to summarise: If I can lead any believers to considering Gods word and following (on an individual basis) that, then my job is done. But far be it from me to sin for not stating what I feel is the truth.

joshua 1 9 · Sep 5, 2015

Alithis said:
no im not saying dont prep
yes i am saying do what God tells YOU to do.

but beware those who store up thier barn then sit content while the lost perish.

I tend to buy things when the price is right. But people say I have to much stuff so I should wait until I need it. I did that when my son wanted a fire pit when he has his friends over. They had them on sale for $30 but I waited. Then all of a sudden he needed it and it was camping season and the cheapest one I could find was $50. If I get a feeling I am going to need something, usually I am right, so I get things when the price is next to nothing so I will have it when I need it. The only problem is finding it. We have not been able to figure out a way to organize stuff so we can find it when we need it. It would help if we had a basement or an attic to put stuff in, but for now we just got to work with what we have. So when God gives us a blessing often it is next to nothing in price. Just something that people are getting rid of. Although we try to avoid yard sales as we got to much stuff already.

joshua 1 9 · Sep 5, 2015

Alithis said:
-and of course we should be helping those in need now - Always

I help those who are in need all the time. Only I find that they do not take care of what they got. So they are back again wanting more help. The very reason I have something to give them is because I take care of what I have.

SavedByGrace3 · Sep 5, 2015

joshua 1 9 said:
I tend to buy things when the price is right. But people say I have to much stuff so I should wait until I need it. I did that when my son wanted a fire pit when he has his friends over. They had them on sale for $30 but I waited. Then all of a sudden he needed it and it was camping season and the cheapest one I could find was $50. If I get a feeling I am going to need something, usually I am right, so I get things when the price is next to nothing so I will have it when I need it. The only problem is finding it. We have not been able to figure out a way to organize stuff so we can find it when we need it. It would help if we had a basement or an attic to put stuff in, but for now we just got to work with what we have. So when God gives us a blessing often it is next to nothing in price. Just something that people are getting rid of. Although we try to avoid yard sales as we got to much stuff already.

We buy large plastic containers when they are on sale and store things in them. In the days of Israel they had whole cities dedicated to storing things. They would have loved to do their preps with large plastic storage containers!

joshua 1 9 · Sep 5, 2015

seekingsolace said:
The issue is, and the reason I continue to post. Is to highlight the fallacy in trusting in human reasoning.

That is why we have the Mind of Christ and the Divine thoughts of God. Solomon was very wise in his day but he did not have the mind of Christ. John the Baptist was the greatest that had ever lived and yet the least in the Kingdom is greater then John.

joshua 1 9 · Sep 5, 2015

Didaskalos said:
We buy large plastic containers when they are on sale and store things in them. In the days of Israel they had whole cities dedicated to storing things. They would have loved to do their preps with large plastic storage containers!

That is a catch 22. They had baskets only I am sure the insects would get to their grain and eat their food. Then as they progressed they had clay jars for storage. Only if water got into the grains it would ferment. For people that like beer or wine this may have been a good thing. We have lots of containers. I have to keep a lid on them least a mouse get in there and make a mess out of it.

SavedByGrace3 · Sep 5, 2015

SpiritPsalmist said:
Brother...

Thanks sis.
Good grief....
At this stage I just let it go. I refuse to get repeatedly scratched up trying to save a drowning cat who not only refuses my sincere-good-hearted effort but abuses me in the attempt.
But my abusive offer stands. If you live in my vicinity and you find yourself in the middle of a dearth, consider me as the Antioch to your Judea.
I suspect you will "hear God's voice" then...or is that just your stomach groaning? :doh:

joshua 1 9 · Sep 5, 2015

probinson said:
We could have 10,000 barns stocked full of food representing years of toiling eradicated in an instant by one big kaboom.

Matthew 6:19-21 (KJV)
19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:

20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:

21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

SavedByGrace3 · Sep 5, 2015

joshua 1 9 said:
Matthew 6:19-21 (KJV)
19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:

20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:

21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

Well... seriously. I am not sure you can call a bag of rice a "treasure."
And just how would one store up a bag of rice in heaven anyways?

Context, context, context.
It is all about context.

I have no gold or silver. And I suppose most of the people reading this have 401k plans, fat retirement plans, more insurance than they need, and very likely more actual money than I do. Have you got more than 20 or 30 bucks in the bank? Better cash it out and give it away!
But I agree that these are good. Your should take care of your family.
Point is if people really believe this is what Jesus is saying, why are they not practicing what they preach? Simple. It is because while it sounds like a very religious sounding argument... in reality it is not what He meant and not what you actually believe. If you do, then let me know when you cash out all these gold laden plans and accounts and cancel that insurance. Then I will begin to take you seriously.
Factoid:
Everyone who has a retirement account or house insurance or a savings account or more than a days worth of food, clothing, and shelter IS A PREPPER!
Deny it if you want but that is just about everyone who is reading this.
Happy prepping preppers! :amen:

SpiritPsalmist · Sep 5, 2015

seekingsolace said:
I think maybe you are reading too much into posts. We all get very defensive when we don't agree or like the message. Assuming another is judging because they stick to the Scriptures as they understand them is presumptuous. As Alithis has said, without taking sides - is to trust in God with love and obedience, being led by Him how He purposes. I expected accusations of 'judgment' would be aimed at me, not Alithis. So for what it's worth, I think you mistook his/her intent.

The issue is, and the reason I continue to post. Is to highlight the fallacy in trusting in human reasoning. I am not going to waste time replying to Didaskalos because his posts border on abusiveness. Choosing scriptures out of context, twisting meanings or selecting a single proverb does not support a position. These posts are so far from the plain truth of Scriptures that I am genuinely concerned. Anyway, to summarise: If I can lead any believers to considering Gods word and following (on an individual basis) that, then my job is done. But far be it from me to sin for not stating what I feel is the truth.

Dids abusive???? Hardly! He's showing people what scripture says and sharing his knowledge on the subject. He's offered to be there when you need help. And even after he's been made fun of by you he'd still open his home to you when you need it. Perhaps there is a mistake of intent on both sides. I've gone rounds with Alithis before and I find that he has very good points. Yet, to continue to make it sound like one is not trusting God, when they clearly are and is hoarding when that has clearly been clarified, is judging.

We all here occasionally take things out of their context, but I do believe that Dids has overwhelmingly supported his position. I believe it's wise to be prepared, scripture backs it up.

You and Alithis have also supported your position, and it's good stuff too. As has been clarified though, Dids is not "hoarding". He's already giving to those in need as preparing to be able to give more in the future...so why continue to make it sound likes he and anyone else doing the same is hoarding and not trusting in God on the level that you make it sound like you are?

SpiritPsalmist · Sep 5, 2015

Didaskalos said:
Thanks sis.
Good grief....
At this stage I just let it go. I refuse to get repeatedly scratched up trying to save a drowning cat who not only refuses my sincere-good-hearted effort but abuses me in the attempt.
But my abusive offer stands. If you live in my vicinity and you find yourself in the middle of a dearth, consider me as the Antioch to your Judea.
I suspect you will "hear God's voice" then...or is that just your stomach groaning?

seekingsolace · Sep 5, 2015

SpiritPsalmist said:
Dids abusive???? Hardly! He's showing people what scripture says and sharing his knowledge on the subject. He's offered to be there when you need help. And even after he's been made fun of by you he'd still open his home to you when you need it. Perhaps there is a mistake of intent on both sides.

You are entitled to your opinion. No mistaken intent on my side, I am perceptive enough to understand remarks.

I've gone rounds with Alithis before and I find that he has very good points. Yet, to continue to make it sound like one is not trusting God, when they clearly are and is hoarding when that has clearly been clarified, is judging.

Alithis has not judged once in this thread. If we don't agree or like the message, it does not qualify that person as judging. As for me, my primary concern is not how something sounds; I know the intent as does God. It's absurd to claim a person is 'self righteousness' or 'judgmental' because they see an error in teachings.

We all here occasionally take things out of their context, but I do believe that Dids has overwhelmingly supported his position. I believe it's wise to be prepared, scripture backs it up.

I am very concerned if you believe that position has been 'overwhelmingly supported', especially when Scripture is involved. But again, you are entitled to your opinion.

You and Alithis have also supported your position, and it's good stuff too. As has been clarified though, Dids is not "hoarding". He's already giving to those in need as preparing to be able to give more in the future...so why continue to make it sound likes he and anyone else doing the same is hoarding and not trusting in God on the level that you make it sound like you are?

I have no problem with saving a little extra for the family if a disaster were to strike. The point was stockpiling excessive amounts for the 'future' which may never come; which (in my view) is a waste of time and resources. The only certainty we have is being able to help now, not if or when.

SpiritPsalmist · Sep 5, 2015

seekingsolace said:
You are entitled to your opinion. No mistaken intent on my side, I am perceptive enough to understand remarks.

You are mistaking Dids intent to help and making it something sinister and selfish. There is nothing "perceptive" about that, only imaginative.

seekingsolace said:
Alithis has not judged once in this thread. If we don't agree or like the message, it does not qualify that person as judging. As for me, my primary concern is not how something sounds; I know the intent as does God. It's absurd to claim a person is 'self righteousness' or 'judgmental' because they see an error in teachings.

You know the intent? If that were true, you would not have said he's being abusive. God knows his intent is not to be abusive but to help. So because you keep saying he's abusive, you don't really know his intent after all. He's not asking you to send him your life savings so that he can buy food for everyone and then secretly hoarding all your money. He's using his own money, of which he's not rich, he's already said that. God does know his intent, but you don't. Only God knows the heart. You do know that is scripture don't you?

seekingsolace said:
I am very concerned if you believe that position has been 'overwhelmingly supported', especially when Scripture is involved. But again, you are entitled to your opinion.

The position of being prepared not only for your family but to be of aid to others as well, is very supported by scripture. While not every scripture may be exactly about preparing for a rainy day, it's about preparing one way or another. There may be some who are storing up then sitting back and "enjoying" their riches. A pile of rice to feed everyone is hardly considered riches though. Although, when many have nothing it will be and they'll be trying to get to Dids for food. I doubt he'll shoot anyone dead for just wanting to eat like some of the other preppers I've heard talk. I believe you are lumping him in with them, and that is accusing him of wrong when he's only trying to do right.

seekingsolace said:
I have no problem with saving a little extra for the family if a disaster were to strike. The point was stockpiling excessive amounts for the 'future' which may never come; which (in my view) is a waste of time and resources. The only certainty we have is being able to help now, not if or when.

And that's where you ARE misunderstanding. It's not about saving a "little extra" for the family. It's about saving extra for my family, your family, their family, any family that needs help because they were not prepared. It does not matter what their reason for being unprepared is. Wouldn't it have been nice if in the story of the virgins if the wise virgins had also had enough oil for the others? I'm sure the unwise virgins would agree. The message was "be prepared". It does not matter that what they were to be prepared for in that parable is not the same thing as what is being talked about here. It is about preparation though. If we know a hurricane is coming we either get out of it's way, or we prepare to ride it through. It's a fool that just sits back and does not do what he can to protect his home and his family. I did not have food to share with neighbors when there was a hurricane. I did have lots of candles though, some had chided me about all the candles I had, but I had candles and my neighbors had no light so I shared my candles. Afterward, I thought how nice it would have been if I'd also had extra food and such to share.

Right now I'm preparing to be prepared. I'm working on getting my bills down so that when I go shopping I can get an extra bag of rice, or an extra can of soup, or an extra pack of water. Not for hoarding but for sharing. That falls into the category of "Loving your neighbor as you love yourself".

SpiritPsalmist · Sep 5, 2015

probinson said:
The best way I know to care for those I Love is to lead them to have a personal relationship with their Savior. I want them to know that this world is not their home, and when the day comes that their time on this earth is through, they have a hope and an eternal future with their Savior who Loves them.

The hard truth is, any natural "protection" that we provide for those we Love is an illusion at best. Yes, I do what I can in the natural for my wife and children just as we all do, but none of us is guaranteed tomorrow. There is, IMO, far too much emphasis on holding on to this fleeting life in the prepping movement and not nearly enough emphasis on the eternal hope that we have regardless of what disaster or catastrophe comes our way.

We could have 10,000 barns stocked full of food representing years of toiling eradicated in an instant by one big kaboom. And it won't have meant a thing if we haven't impressed upon all of those that we Love the hope that they can have through Jesus Christ.

This is a given Pete. No one is advocating feeding only the body and not the soul. However, that is what a lot of the reply's here are insinuating.

seekingsolace · Sep 5, 2015

SpiritPsalmist said:
You are mistaking Dids intent to help and making it something sinister and selfish. There is nothing "perceptive" about that, only imaginative

Perhaps you shouldn't speak to how I have perceived comments, since you are unaware of what I am referring to. Your opinion is a little irrelevant to the facts unfortunately. I can see you are fond of Dids, I am not averse to him - or you. I have not claimed remarks were 'sinister or selfish' so not entirely sure where that is coming from. Anyway please don't try to insult my intelligence or motives by inserting negative connotations on a genuine observation.

You know the intent? If that were true, you would not have said he's being abusive. God knows his intent is not to be abusive but to help. So because you keep saying he's abusive, you don't really know his intent after all. He's not asking you to send him your life savings so that he can buy food for everyone and then secretly hoarding all your money. He's using his own money, of which he's not rich, he's already said that. God does know his intent, but you don't. Only God knows the heart. You do know that is scripture don't you?

Please read carefully what I was referencing - my intent. Thanks.

The position of being prepared not only for your family but to be of aid to others as well, is very supported by scripture. While not every scripture may be exactly about preparing for a rainy day, it's about preparing one way or another. There may be some who are storing up then sitting back and "enjoying" their riches. A pile of rice to feed everyone is hardly considered riches though. Although, when many have nothing it will be and they'll be trying to get to Dids for food. I doubt he'll shoot anyone dead for just wanting to eat like some of the other preppers I've heard talk. I believe you are lumping him in with them, and that is accusing him of wrong when he's only trying to do right.

Again you are making false assumptions. I do not 'lump' any of you in one category. My comments have been a general observation of the 'movement' and to bring clarity and another view to the matter. You are misconstruing my general observations for personal attacks, which is simply not true.

And that's where you ARE misunderstanding. It's not about saving a "little extra" for the family. It's about saving extra for my family, your family, their family, any family that needs help because they were not prepared. It does not matter what their reason for being unprepared is.

It is about preparation though. If we know a hurricane is coming we either get out of it's way, or we prepare to ride it through. It's a fool that just sits back and does not do what he can to protect his home and his family. I did not have food to share with neighbors when there was a hurricane. I did have lots of candles though, some had chided me about all the candles I had, but I had candles and my neighbors had no light so I shared my candles. Afterward, I thought how nice it would have been if I'd also had extra food and such to share.

I'll re-post my quote since you seem to have ignored it.

"I have no problem with saving a little extra for the family if a disaster were to strike. The point was stockpiling excessive amounts for the 'future' which may never come; which (in my view) is a waste of time and resources. The only certainty we have is being able to help now, not if or when."

It would be nice to get back to a proper discussion rather than using attack as your defence. This isn't about me, you, Dids, or Alithis - so please stick to the topic.

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Hoarders,...oh,i mean preppers,

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Jesus is Lord of ALL! (Not asking permission)

Disciple of Jesus .

Heavy lean toward Messianic

Disciple of Jesus .

Bah

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Jesus is Lord of ALL! (Not asking permission)

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Jesus is Lord of ALL! (Not asking permission)

Well-Known Member

Jesus is Lord of ALL! (Not asking permission)

Heavy lean toward Messianic

Heavy lean toward Messianic

Bah

Heavy lean toward Messianic

Heavy lean toward Messianic

Bah

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