The 5th Seal is the 1st Resurrection

iamlamad said:

Anyone that imagines that the scriptures have errors and is faulty is on very dangerous ground. Perhaps John 3:16 has errors. Muslims think so. Perhaps the whole chapter 3 of John is faulty. How would anyone know?

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Unlike you, I don't speak out of my head. I do not say things that I don't know to be true, but to liken me to Muslims goes even lower in respect to the topic.

Instead of accepting the facts, you prefer to attack the person and take the conversation in another direction, a diversion tactic.

I did detect some sorrow in your response, though. Saddened by the truth?

iamlamad said:

The TRUTH is, it is the Word of God and we can TRUST IT - just not every word of some English translations!

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You wouldn't even take the time out to find out the truth. You prefer to stick to your position regardless of the truth - blind faith, stiff neckedness, or rebellion, one of the three.

iamlamad said:

Since you seem lost, allow me to help you find your way.

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Wow! How do you come up with these conclusions. I could never be lost because I read the signs. I acknowledge the facts and the road maps, errors and all.

iamlamad said:

The abomination of Desolation that Jesus spoke of (he did not speak of the historic one but a future one) will take place in the book of Revelation in chapter 11, but is not written, because John did not see it. However, the 7th trumpet will sound in heaven when the man of sin enters the most holy place in the temple, to "mark" the exact midpoint of the week.

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Spare me the details. There is only on Abomination that make it desolate, and it's modified in Daniel with the definite article "the."

If you can't accept the fact, it's on you. But I will continue to argue the fact until I'm blue in the face because it is what logical dictates.

iamlamad said:

The days of great tribulation that Jesus spoke of will not being in the book of Revelation until late in chapter 14 - NOT BEFORE. Then, some time after the 7th vial ends the 70th week, Jesus returns, EXACTLY what Matthew 24 tells us.

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Again, you have to ignore the grammatical facts. The prophesy specifically states the temple destruction is followed by the "great tribulation" - the reason why some would argue for a third temple, because that is what the text grammatically predicts.

Another Lazarus said:

The great multitude consists of
1 Thes 4 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

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You people take so many verses out of context that it doesn't even register with you any more. How can the great multitude be 1Thes 4 when only the dead are risen in the 1st and 2nd resurrections?

Was Paul raptured? No.

Didn't Paul die/sleep and the world continued as it has to this day?

Please! Paul is giving the scriptures a hint to a "rapture/resurrection" that doesn't include his generation. And the only rapture/resurrection recorded in scripture that is a rapture/resurrection is the "wheat and tares' harvest/resurrection of this physical world into the barn (New Yahrushalem) or the lake of fire. There's no throne judgement in the 3rd and last resurrection. Rev 20 and 21 isn't the end.

Another Lazarus said:

There in heaven they will wait for the leftbehind christians who choose to refuse the mark of the beast/rfid microchip to be killed and then resurrected before the milennium of Christ.

Jesus bless u all HalleluYAH

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You are ignoring the grammatical fact there's only one abomination of desolation set up 200yrs before Christ that last for 1,335yrs, as well as Daniel and Revelation's timeline for the 1,000yrs reign. They were not 2,000yrs away.

Dan 9:27-28 confirms the AOD lasted until the "consummation," until the entering into the New Yahrushalem.

Another Lazarus said:

When Paul said 1 Thes 4 17 he had no idea he would die as martyr before Jesus return.

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Are you saying if Paul wasn't martyred, he would have been raptured? No way. So Paul must have been hinting of his generation falling asleep before the 2nd Coming, hinting how those that fell asleep would be coming back with Christ and not having to be resurrected at the 2nd Coming, the point your missing.

Those returning with Christ, who had died (fell asleep) in that generation, would be returning with Christ because they were resurrected in heaven at the 1st Resurrection, the 5th seal, what Paul is informing the world to by scripture.

Another Lazarus said:

This is what will happen to alive believers who waits for Jesus rapture at the end times.
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Jesus bless u all HalleluYAH

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Yes, but that is not the 1st Resurrection. Daniel and Revelation's timeline for the 1,000yrs reign proves it happened 1,335 yrs after the abomination was set up 200yrs before Christ. Plus, the Olivet discourse grammatically states Christ 2nd Coming to be "immediately" after the "tribulation of those days," meaning after the tribulation that began with the temple destruction.

The verse you're quoting is referencing the "Wheat and Tares" harvest/resurrection of this physical world into the New Yahrushalem or the lake of fire, a resurrection not written in Revelation.

The 1st resurrected are the ones who went thru the "great tribulation" of those days and washed their robes in the blood of the Lamb. The context is what binds them.

Revised first page:

Here's a stumbling block for all non Preterists: Revelation's 5th seal was the 1st Resurrection!

Rev 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
Rev 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
Rev 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

These are the "great multitude" in Rev 7:

Rev 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
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Rev 7:13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
Rev 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Rev 7:15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.

There should be no doubt about the fact that the 1st resurrection is the 5th seal, and it's not a rapture!

I could go more into detail on the little season they're to rest for, but I won't. What I can tell you is that it's connected to the 6th seal which is "the day of the Lord" and to Christ's 2nd coming and Olivet discourse prophecy:

Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
Rev 6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
Rev 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
Rev 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
Rev 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
Rev 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

Which is:

Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Which is:

Mat 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
Mat 25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
Mat 25:33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
Mat 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
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Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
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Mat 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Which is:

Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Which was preceded by:

Rev 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
Rev 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
Rev 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.


It's only natural to realize the 6th seal is the 2nd coming of Christ, the 2nd Resurrection, the fulfillment of the Olivet discourse parable of those standing there not "tasting death" until witnessing the Son of Man coming into his kingdom, etc:

Mat 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
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Mar 9:1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.
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Luk 9:27 But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.


I particularly like the following verse:

Jhn 8:52 Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death.

So what is death?


A verse I found interesting to close with:

Heb 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

I don't think the world has fully grasped this concept yet.


Food for thought!

Another Lazarus said:

Its naive for the postribber to guess that the leftbehind christians can survive the war and plagues and famine and deadly calamities which shall kill almost half of the world instantly and the remaining die slowly. No they cant survive, most of the leftbehind christians will die early in the disaster before even testify as martyrs.

1. peace taken people kill each other on the neighbourhood street
2. famine spreads people rob each other's house and plunder stores
people eat grass and root or leaves, cannibalism, miserable mankind without hope.
3. war and plagues killed 1/4 of mankind = 2 billions people die instantly,
4. 1/3 trees n grass burnt by meteors including whoever on the spot.
5 two asteroids cause deadly devastation on the planet effected the whole world n change climate forever,
no more agriculture n cattle, poisoned water, total darkness everywhere you will miss the sunshine bad.

Still think they can survive these deadly tribulation ? most of the left behind christians will die soon in the calamities instead of beheaded as martyrs. But its up to people to choose to believe. God doesnt take the foolish virgins with Him.

But the living saints will raptured alive ! 1 Thes 4 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

As Jesus said : Foolish virgins left behind !!!

Jesus bless u all HalleluYah

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You're not for real. The foolish leftbehind virgin is you!

Those resurrected were those who went thru the "great tribulation" after the temple destruction in 70ad. The text specifically and grammatically dictates the fact.


Jhn 8:52 Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death.

Mat 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
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Mar 9:1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.
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Luk 9:27 But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.

Which is the context of the 1st and 2nd Resurrections, the context of the "great tribulation," the context of the "great multitude" in Rev 7, and the context of the 5th seal - the Olivet discourse.

Another Lazarus said:

You have yet to see the great tribulation where Jesus said The foolish virgins shall be left behind.

Jesus bless u all HalleluYAH.

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And you have ulterior motives, Mr. Leftbehind.

Tata!

Revised: 9/8/15

Here's a stumbling block for all non Preterists: Revelation's 5th seal was the 1st Resurrection!

Rev 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
Rev 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
Rev 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

These are the "great multitude" in Rev 7:

Rev 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
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Rev 7:13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
Rev 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Rev 7:15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.

There should be no doubt about the fact that the 1st resurrection is the 5th seal, and it's not a rapture!

I could go more into detail on the little season they're to rest for, but I won't. What I can tell you is that it's connected to the 6th seal which is "the day of the Lord" and to Christ's 2nd coming and Olivet discourse prophecy:

Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
Rev 6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
Rev 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
Rev 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
Rev 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
Rev 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

Which is:

Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Which is:

Mat 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
Mat 25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
Mat 25:33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
Mat 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
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Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
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Mat 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Which is:

Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Which was preceded by:

Rev 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
Rev 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
Rev 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.


It's only natural to realize the 6th seal is the 2nd coming of Christ, the 2nd Resurrection, the fulfillment of the Olivet discourse parable of those standing there not "tasting death" until witnessing the Son of Man coming into his kingdom, etc:

Mat 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Mar 9:1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Luk 9:27 But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.


I particularly like the following verse:

Jhn 8:52 Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death.

So what is death?


A verse I found interesting to note:

Heb 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

I don't think the world have fully grasped this concept yet, but back to the subject.

For those of you who can't accept the fact Revelation and the 1st and 2nd resurrections occurred in heaven, I've provided these verses:

Rev 4:1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.
Rev 4:2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.
Rev 4:3 And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.

Which is:

Dan 7:9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
Dan 7:10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.

Which is also:

Dan 7:21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;
Dan 7:22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.
Dan 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

Why Revelation isn't understood, because the wars occur in heaven when the ten Roman kings (the fallen angels) attack heaven with the power of the Beast.

Rev 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

Their thrones cast down in Dan 7:9, the ten Roman kings again confirmed by Daniel:

Dan 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
Dan 7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.


The clincher:

Heb 12:18 For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest,
Heb 12:19 And the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which voice they that heard intreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more:
Heb 12:20 (For they could not endure that which was commanded, And if so much as a beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned, or thrust through with a dart:
Heb 12:21And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake
Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,


This is the above described scene in Daniel and in Revelation, and guess what? This is the Yahrushalem that's replaced with the new one in Rev 21. The new heavens and earth happens where the old heavenly heaven, earth, and city was.

We are awaiting the "Wheat and Tares" harvest/resurrection of this physical world into the New Yahrushalem (the barn) or the lake of fire. There will be no throne judgement in this 3rd and final resurrection/harvest.

Mat 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.


This is what 1 Thes 4:13-18 is all about.

Food for thought!

civilwarbuff said:

Wow...is that what Christians are supposed to be? A stumbling block because A does not totally agree with what B states? Christ will be very disappointed in us.....

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I'm sure He's disappointed in you for not comprehending what is being said, a wrong reaction to mind boggling revelations.

vinsight4u said:

No one rises of the saints in the time of the 5th seal.
They are not yet arrayed as the wife.
Mystery, Babylon has not fallen, but is still slaying the last of the 5th seal
martyrs in the 5th seal. Rev. 19 shows that the great harlot city is avenged before
the wife puts on righteousness of saints/eternal life.

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Try reading comprehension because they are given their white robes at the opening of the 5th seal.

vinsight4u said:

4th seal/treaties made and broken/overflowing scourge comes
5th seal/great tribulation
6th seal/trib ends
7th seal/trumpet angels return as vials angels
Armageddon
Israel returns to her land and dwells safely
Gog comes and takes her dwelled safely gained goods
Israel also fights
swords beaten into plowshares
The survivors of the nations must keep the feast of tabernacles.
1000 years/millennium

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You have no idea what you're talking about. Daniel 7:9 & 13 and Rev 4 proves when the first resurrection happened, and it happened during the reign of the first 11 Roman kings. It was a heavenly resurrection. The 6th seal is the 2nd resurrection. All this is verified in the opening thread.

vinsight4u said:

None of the wheat or tares are people from the grave.

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Where does it say that in scripture? Nowhere. You are speculating.

vinsight4u said:

They are the iiving = same as sheep and goats time that will be divided up
before the new heaven and new earth come to be.
reapers - end of the world

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Notice Revelation uses the word resurrection to describe both events in it, and that the Wheat and Tares resurrection harvest isn't included?

vinsight4u said:

not end of the great tribulation

Rev. 7:1 is not part of the prior vision.
Watch it begin telling its own story.

four angels are seen
standing on the four corners of the earth

to whom it was given

How did John see them get given something/s?
Part of this story has been hidden.
It is hidden elsewhere in Revelation.

What did John tell us that he saw? four angels
Did John just keep saying - four angels?
No. He began to apply the definite article to them.
as in - the four angels

Why did he refer to them in that manner?
Because the readers have already been told of them.
four angels - become the four angels

Okay, now head to Rev. 8:2.
What happened? See how hidden parts have gone missing?
8:2 - the seven angels
Akkkk!
Where is first the story of them as being - seven angels?

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