Unexplained Questions

I think you mean submissive to their husbands, right? That would be different than being subservient to man.

The story about Eve's creation from Adam's rib doesn't make sense until after the fall. Sexism was one of many bad results of the fall. This story is there to remind both men and women that women are created of the same stuff as men are, and that we are to be side by side. I am saying that God did creation this way on purpose, knowing what was sadly going to happen, to help us with it.

Interesting thread! Did they both have belly buttons?

http://www.people.vcu.edu/~dbromley/rib.html

Adam and Eve were the first to whom God showed the works of his hands.
The things that cannot be seen concerning God (being the invisible things),
have been shown from the creation of this world (the days of Adam and Eve),
and are written in the book of Genesis, see Rom.1:20. Even God’s eternal
power and Godhead has been clearly seen through the works of God’s Hand;
being that which was created in six days, and God resting on the seventh day.

On the sixth day God created mankind upon the face of the earth, after
having completed all other forms of life upon the planet, see Gen.1:26,27.
God (Elohiym; plural) being the Father (masculine Holy Spirit) and the
Mother (feminine Holy Spirit) of creation, conceived in their likeness and
image, the first two humans upon the earth. Adam and Eve were created in
the image of the Elohiym (God the Father and God the Mother), showing
that God’s image is masculine and feminine.

On the sixth day of creation God formed Adam from the dust of the ground
(Adam, meaning: Red; color of Eden’s clay). God knew by experience
that it is not good for a man to be alone without his feminine mate, since God
the father had his feminine equal, the Holy Spirit (the Holy Spirit being one
with God the Father).

Knowing that it is not good for Adam to be on his own, God caused a deep
sleep to fall upon Adam, as stated in Gen.2:21. With the one rib that God took
from the side of Adam, God made Eve (Eve, meaning: mother of all living).
The day that God created woman from the rib of Adam was also on the sixth
day. What happened in the first six days of creation is stated in Gen.1:3-31 and
further expounded in Gen.2:4-25. A mystery was revealed when God made a
woman (Eve) from the rib of Adam.

God removed one of Adam’s ribs from his side then created a woman with the
rib, instead of creating the woman from the dust of the ground. The woman
having come from Adam’s rib revealed that the woman (Eve) came from the
midst of Adam. Eve was Adam’s feminine mate, found within Adam rather than
God forming a separate being. Eve was a female Adam, as God called THEIR
name Adam, see Gen.5:2. Adam and Eve were a male and female Adam, in the
day (sixth day) that they were created.

To understand the hidden things of God is to understand what took place at
creation. God shows his image (male and female) through the works of his
hand, see Rom.1:20. We can understand the mysteries of God through the
details God has used in creating this world; that which was first shown to
Adam and Eve. There remains no excuse to those who live in this world, as
all of God’s creation declares the masculine and feminine image of God.

It is clear that out of Adam came forth a female Adam, being bone of his
bones, flesh of his flesh, see Gen.2:22-25. The creation of earth is a mirror
image of the heavenly sphere. Adam and Eve being in the mirror image of
God the Father, and God the Mother (Holy Spirit).

The removal of Adam’s rib to make a woman is a mirror image of what had
taken place in heaven. Out of Adam came forth a female Adam (Eve), being
equal in all things; Adam being first amongst equals, though Eve was always
within Adam and is Adam. The same scenario applies in the heavenly realm.
Out of God the Father came forth God the Mother (Holy Spirit) being equal
in all things. The Father is first amongst equals. In the heavenly sense of the
parallel, the Holy Spirit came forth from the Eternal and has always dwelt in
the Eternal body.

The Eternal body became masculine and feminine, just as Adam became male
and female. The Holy Spirit is feminine. The Holy Spirit is our heavenly Mother.
The heavenly parents are the Elohiym. Elohiym (Gods; Plural) said, Let Us
(God the Father and Mother) make mankind (Adam and Eve) in Our image
(masculine and feminine) after Our likeness, see Gen.1:26,27. The Holy Spirit
came forth from God just as Eve came forth from Adam.........

Joseph King said:

I have had many hard times explaining numerous parts of the bible to people that have questions I cannot answer, such as why God made Adam out of dust, yet had to make Eve from one of his ribs and not out of dust as well. Some people cannot believe it was for woman to be subservient to man.

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Just be honest, tell them you don't know but you'll try to find out and get back to them.

.....and God rejoined them when He put the second Adam into a deap sleep on the cross and the Roman guard thrust the spear into Jesus' side and out poured blood and water...the church, the bride of Christ.

Joseph King said:

I have had many hard times explaining numerous parts of the bible to people that have questions I cannot answer, such as why God made Adam out of dust, yet had to make Eve from one of his ribs and not out of dust as well. Some people cannot believe it was for woman to be subservient to man.

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It's actually the reverse. Being made out of a rib is superior to being made out of dust since a rib is of a higher form. And a prototype is always inferior. That men lord it over women is a result of the fall, especially when the do it in a selfish way. Men are supposed to love their wives to the point of sacrifice, the way Christ loved the Church.

He had to use dust for Adam 'cause he didn't have any human ribs on hand at that time.

Joseph King said:

I have had many hard times explaining numerous parts of the bible to people that have questions I cannot answer, such as why God made Adam out of dust, yet had to make Eve from one of his ribs and not out of dust as well. Some people cannot believe it was for woman to be subservient to man.

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Man was put to sleep and God took a part of his rib. Rib means makeup. Woman is part makeup of man. Man has both X and Y genes and woman only has X gene. So a woman was created through man's DNA, hence rib in that language of their day.
Also it has spiritual application because it is written man was created in God's image as a fatherly figure and women from man. There is an order of submission for that is the creator's design prerogative.

Berean777 said:

Also it has spiritual application because it is written man was created in God's image

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Man in this case is used as mankind. It immediately says male and female created he them: women are also made in the image of God.

Open Heart said:

Man in this case is used as mankind. It immediately says male and female created he them: women are also made in the image of God.

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Ok

Notwithstanding there is still order of man then women. Each one has a special purpose. What God has done has a spiritual meaning implying headship. God man women children

I call it the deligatory headship of responsibility.

I understand what you are saying, but what part does 1 Timothy chapter 2 in this? Seems to me the order of creation is sufficient, yet God tells us that woman was the one deceived therefore her position being established.
Would you please help define this for me?

Berean777 said:

Notwithstanding there is still order of man then women. Each one has a special purpose. What God has done has a spiritual meaning implying headship. God man women children

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Being the head of the household is a BURDEN. It is the harder role, to do it right. Think for a moment -- how hard is it to be a parent???? What a responsibility!!!!! Yes, to lead CORRECTLY is a great burden as well as a joy. It is part of the loving one's wife to the point of SACRIFICE as Christ loved the Church. Yes, men have it a great deal harder than women, if they do it right.

Grafted In said:

Seems to me the order of creation is sufficient, yet God tells us that woman was the one deceived therefore her position being established.

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What is created first is always inferior. Plus being deceived is better than to understand and rebel. This is why men are given the greater burden in marriage of leadership. Women are helpers SUITED to men. In all things we are both to submit one to the other.

Open Heart said:

Being the head of the household is a BURDEN. It is the harder role, to do it right. Think for a moment -- how hard is it to be a parent???? What a responsibility!!!!! Yes, to lead CORRECTLY is a great burden as well as a joy. It is part of the loving one's wife to the point of SACRIFICE as Christ loved the Church. Yes, men have it a great deal harder than women, if they do it right.

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If they do it right. Those that truly have Christ as their head are counselled to do what is right and in like manner the woman/mother does what she knows best to give morals to her children, where she is equipped to do it better than the Father. Even a woman without being a mother can through Christ be the instrument to uphold morals within a society. That is why the devil has exploited women in a pervert way as to portray her as a sex object. Devil in the last 100 years has been doing his best to sabotage a women's role within a society as moral upholder.

Destroy what a woman stands for, you end up destroying the family structure and as a result you have lawless husbands and men who have abandoned the truth and pursued lusts of their heart to their own destruction and the destruction of our species. A mother is what holds a family unit in place and without her role we have dysfunctional families that breed lawlessness.

Joseph King said:

I have had many hard times explaining numerous parts of the bible to people that have questions I cannot answer, such as why God made Adam out of dust, yet had to make Eve from one of his ribs and not out of dust as well. Some people cannot believe it was for woman to be subservient to man.

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Hi JK,

Right! And some people don't believe that Jesus is the Savior. But I think the Scriptures are clear that at least part of the reason that Eve was made 'from' Adam is to show the relationship between men and women upon the earth. Does everyone believe that or want to acknowledge it? No. But then not everyone believes God. Not everyone understands God's purpose. I have found that those who are born again believe God's word and stick with that. They do not base their beliefs and understandings on what 'everyone else' believes.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

miamited said:

Hi JK,

Right! And some people don't believe that Jesus is the Savior. But I think the Scriptures are clear that at least part of the reason that Eve was made 'from' Adam is to show the relationship between men and women upon the earth.
Does everyone believe that or want to acknowledge it? No. But then not everyone believes God. Not everyone understands God's purpose. I have found that those who are born again believe God's word and stick with that. They do not base their beliefs and understandings on what 'everyone else' believes.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

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One thing the non-Christian Jews of today can't wrap their heads around is that Jesus was born of virgin.
Ironically however, Islam does believe in the virgin birth of Jesus.....interesting

But then again, with God, anything is possible.

http://www.christianforums.com/threads/moved-from-gt-mary-and-muslims.3126280/

BrightCandle said:

It makes one wonder, if indeed, there is a historical and theological connection between Rome and Mecca, with Mary being the common link?

ROME, JUNE 29, 2006 (Zenit.org).- An Egyptian Muslim and deputy director of a prominent Italian newspaper suggested that Mary could be the figure who brings Christians and Muslims together.

Magdi Allam of Il Corriere della Sera spoke to ZENIT about the appeal he launched in the pages of the national daily newspaper to Muslims living in Italy to visit the Marian shrines in their host country.

The journalist said that he is convinced that the Virgin Mary is a meeting point between Christians and Muslims.

"Mary is a figure present in the Koran, which dedicates an entire sura [chapter ed.n.] to her and mentions her some thirty times. In Muslim countries there are Marian shrines that are the object of veneration and pilgrimage by Christian and Muslim faithful," he said.

"Therefore, I believe that if this happens in Muslim countries, why can't it happen in a Christian country, especially in a historical phase in which we need to define symbols, values and figures that unite religions, spiritualities and cultures?" he asked.

In Allam's opinion, "the Marian pilgrimage of Loreto -- Italy's National Shrine -- could represent a moment of meeting and spiritual gathering between Muslims and Catholics, around Mary, a religious figure that is venerated by both religions."

Vittorio Messori, author of book-interviews with Pope John Paul II and Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger (now Benedict XVI), also wrote in Il Corriere della Sera on June 15 in support of Allam.

He said that the dialogue between Christians and Muslims "can begin afresh from Mary."

http://zenit.org/english/visualizza.phtml?sid=91778

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