Gun Range Bans Muslim Participation

Can't help thinking that many if not the majority that support this are typical NRA members who harp on consistently about their second amendment rights but in this case are happy to deny others their first amendment rights. Equality is good but it's not for everyone as they used to say in the old USSR.

Crowns&Laurels said:

So these gun range owners in Arkansas took political correctness, made it into a silhouette, and opened fire.
Also to note, because of the kind of business they are, people aren't protesting and acting foolish outside their doors.

Who said conservatism wasn't awesome

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/01/28/gun-range-ban-on-muslims-draws-fire/

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took political correctness, made it into a silhouette, and opened fire.

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LOL!

Crowns&Laurels said:

'Equality' demands accountability

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I agree entirely. But accountability and responsibility works both ways – You cannot require it of others if you’re not prepared to practice it yourself. You can’t insist on your rights without any restrictions or accountability whilst supporting restrictions on others people’s rights. If you support protecting the Second Amendment come what may, regardless of whether proposed restrictions are reasonable and sensible then how accountable and responsible is that? That’s not anti-gun as you suggest it’s simply anti-hypocrisy.

Crowns&Laurels said:

Muslims are killing people and waging war. It's not hypocritical to not want them at a gun range, it's self preservation.

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Not true.

A very small minority of Muslims in US kill people. By the same token a very small minority of gun owners commit mass murder. My argument is that if you support restrictions on ALL Muslims because of the actions of a minority why are you opposed to restrictions on ALL gun owners because of the actions of a minority?

Crowns&Laurels said:

Muslims have shown to be able to be everyday, law abiding people who then turn around and massacre others, with no criminal record or dubious nature about them.
This makes gun ranges a very easy target.

Look at this smug mugshot.

The gun range owners do not need to debate and justify themselves by their decision.

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The same can be said for others, too.

Let's look at crime in America from a socio-economic perspective. Are they, for example, justified in banning blacks also?

The overwhelming majority of black gun owners are responsible, but there are also a large number that aren't.

This is the Oklahoma 10 commandments thing all over again. Equality sometimes cuts in a way you don't want it and if we're to tar certain groups with a particular brush then it needs to be applied equally elsewhere when necessary too.

Personally I feel a business should be allowed to discriminate. It's their business. But at the same time I don't believe in taking the high ground when it isn't equally applied.

Philip C said:

Not true.

A very small minority of Muslims in US kill people. By the same token a very small minority of gun owners commit mass murder. My argument is that if you support restrictions on ALL Muslims because of the actions of a minority why are you opposed to restrictions on ALL gun owners because of the actions of a minority?

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Muslims are being recruited by various means of communications to kill Americans and all others not of the Muslim faith. Don't you think it's better to be proactive than reactive?

“I’m not going to let a Nazi shoot in here, or a Ku Klux Klan member in here either.”

- Jan Morgan, gun range operator

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God bless her! The terrorists of September 11th, all reportedly sons of rich Arab sheiks, learned how to fly right here in America. They then were able to hijack four planes and create the worst domestic terrorist assault on American soil in our history.
Now right now in this country there are racists who hate America and all that we stand for and they see those terrorists as heroes and martyrs.

An American gun range owner has every right to forbid those who could pose a threat to national security, personal security of members, from entry into her range.
Because imagine the news potential were terrorist Muslims able to practice in a private gun range where they're not seen outside shooting off rounds and drawing attention publicly out of doors.

Muslim terrorist opens fire on church procession to cemetery.
Muslim terrorist opens fire on Christian school as students depart for the day.
Muslim terrorist opens fire on Labor Day parade.

And the authorities investigating the suicide shooter find out he was a member of this woman's gun range.

What then?
Where does the scrutiny fall then?
On her!

Was she part of it?
How well did she know the shooter?
Did she ignore the warning signs while he/she was in her range?
Did she know this was coming?
What are her politics like?
Does she have a history of averse behavior toward public policy? Government? What's her voting record like? Is her name on any subversive publications mailing lists?

Larry Smart said:

Muslims are being recruited by various means of communications to kill Americans and all others not of the Muslim faith. Don't you think it's better to be proactive than reactive?

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Heck man, there were news reports not that long ago that reported ISIS had/has FACEBOOK and TWITTER accounts for the purpose of recruiting people to their campaign!

The hacker group Anonymous made news briefly when they made a video saying they'd seek out ISIS and hack them so as to stop their on-line efforts. But we didn't hear a whole lot about how successful that was.

Can you imagine? Terrorists have Facebook accounts and commit to Tweeting!

But don't you know, there are people who would scream it was censorship to shut them down. A violation of free speech rights, if the government or FB or Twitter did throw them out.

Philip C said:

Not true.

A very small minority of Muslims in US kill people. By the same token a very small minority of gun owners commit mass murder. My argument is that if you support restrictions on ALL Muslims because of the actions of a minority why are you opposed to restrictions on ALL gun owners because of the actions of a minority?

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Hi Philip,

Well, yes, and it's that 'very small minority' that we need to be protected from. The question, of course is, Ok, well how do we protect ourselves from that 'very small minority' and the only answer that works is to just treat all muslims the same. We don't have any way of knowing if this muslim or that muslim is a part of your 'very small minority', but we do know that if we deny all muslims, then the issue is resolved. Will the muslims who are not a part of your 'very small minority' feel slighted? Yes, I would imagine so. Unfortunately the issue is not, 'how can we be politically correct in all things?', but 'how can we protect ourselves from the the 'very small minority' of murderous muslims. Sometimes the answer to resolve a problem is not the easiest or most politically correct. Sometimes to fix problems the answers are hard and they don't make everyone happy.

We hear so much in this country about 'rights'. That we each have certain rights. Unfortunately that's another lie of Satan. There is only one 'right' that God gives to mankind. That is the right, if one is born of the Spirit of God, to be called a child of God. Everything else are really just privileges that we give and allow others to have.

When anyone can send me a complete and comprehensive list of the names of the 'small minority' of muslims that kill people or would approve or align with such killing, I'll be happy to adjust this response as necessary. Until then, the only way can give ourselves even the slightest hint of peace and security in the matter is to just deny all muslims. Unfortunately, the fact, yes fact, that some may feel that their 'rights' are being violated are just going to have to deal with their feelings. Maybe they'll rise up and join the 'small minority' over their perceived disrespect for their 'rights'.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

Crowns&Laurels said:

Muslims have shown to be able to be everyday, law abiding people who then turn around and massacre others, with no criminal record or dubious nature about them.
This makes gun ranges a very easy target.

Look at this smug mugshot.

The gun range owners do not need to debate and justify themselves by their decision.

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They're also in the prisons in America. Easy recruiting there as they play on someone's plight and lead them to believe it is the governments fault.
Whether they are the radical black Muslims, self identified as "black Muslims" in the prisons. Or whether they are simply calling themselves Muslim. Those that are radically inclined, terror driven, enraged, seek out minorities and fill them with hate.
Not all Muslims in prison mind you are this way. But in prison , a sub-culture, the racial divides are stronger there than they are in the free world. Because the prison world is contained behind fences, and wall after wall. Nowhere for the rage to go except to resonate against the walls if one happens to be housed with such a one as that. The radical kind.
And make no mistake, the white radicals are there too. Race wars happen in prison quite often.

So what does the free world do to protect itself when those that hate freedom can be anyone anywhere? Even white and a radical Muslim. Even Hispanic and a radical Muslim.
The outside doesn't show what's percolating on the inside. Until it's too late. And then we have smug mugshots that are published across the press that might as well have a subtitle below that reads; "Told Ya So!"

How would a gun range employee know who was Muslim and who was not?

Many patrons of gun ranges bring their own weapons to practice with. Gun ranges do have loaners though.
How would someone get to know a new patron without asking outright; are you Muslim?