Should and why do good people that are non believers go to hell?

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How do you view that as different from the law that a gentile Christian might break?

It's the same question. How do view it as the same as a gentile breaks. Together with another question, do you think anyone is righteous and can be saved by Law after Adam?
 
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It's the same question. How do view it as the same as a gentile breaks. Together with another question, do you think anyone is righteous and can be saved by Law after Adam?
Only reason a person can be saved is because God is gracious to forgive them, and typically they are required to repent. I was only curious to learn about this "Universal Law" that you mentioned, as it is new to me. However, I did also expect you would be eager to share, but seeing as that was wrong, let's leave friendly for now. Maybe the idea alone will enable me to find explanation elsewhere. Thank you.
 
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Why do good non believers go to hell? If your a good person why should you be subjected to torment when you never really did anything wrong. What If you were the nicest most helpful person in the world would you still go to hell? Idk I don't think it's fair to be honest. Sure they messed up but maybe they were brought up differently or something you know.

The reason why unbelievers will go to Judgment is that the state of their soul/spirit has not been cleansed by Christ's blood. They carry the stain of sin with them. Even though many unbelievers perform many more good works than most Christians, they count nothing towards getting them into heaven.
 
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The reason why unbelievers will go to Judgment is that the state of their soul/spirit has not been cleansed by Christ's blood. They carry the stain of sin with them. Even though many unbelievers perform many more good works than most Christians, they count nothing towards getting them into heaven.

If I may, this goes back to my original hypothetical posted on page one of this thread.

If a person does not have access to Jesus for whatever reason, are they simply doomed by ill fortune? Or does the grace of God allow for exception? What does the scripture say?
 
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The reason why unbelievers will go to Judgment is that the state of their soul/spirit has not been cleansed by Christ's blood. They carry the stain of sin with them. Even though many unbelievers perform many more good works than most Christians, they count nothing towards getting them into heaven.

That means I'll go to hell if I don't believe in God? Man the problems is I just need some reason to believe in him. I believe in a god now but I don't know about which one. God made it way to difficult. How do I know Muslims haven't got it right or Hindus or whatever. He gave me all these choices and is now confusing me.
 
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let us look at this from a worldly view. the bible says all have sinned and no matter how big or small the sin demands our death. so let us say we are on death row for murder. then as you are waiting for your execution date a person comes to you and offers you a deal where you can get a stay of execution and can go free as long as you observe certain rules and conditions. would accept or not?

this is basically what the bible offers everyone. everyone is going to hell except those that have gotten a pardon from Jesus Christ for the wrongs they have committed. Jesus erases our sins so we are not held accountable for them but without Jesus all our sins will be listed against us and the end result will be death not life.

God bless

It's not that simple though... It's like having 5 or 6 people with different beliefs come up to you and say choose. Choose the wrong and you get punished.
 
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There is no clear reason why either person should definitely go to hell. We will be judged according to the Gospel as we received it and practiced it during our lives. This is quite clear from Scripture.

I thought you needed to have god in order to be saved? Man I'm getting confused reading all these posts...
 
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That's the problem. You think God is no smarter, wiser, moral, or virtuous than you are.
Yes, Jesus told us about a rich man whom God must sent to hell because he just didnt share his wealth with the poor Lazarus.
the rich man wasnt a swindler, neither a robber or a criminal.
He just doesnt share and God doesnt want to share His kingdom with him either.

Jesus bless u all HalleluYAH
 
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Only reason a person can be saved is because God is gracious to forgive them, and typically they are required to repent. I was only curious to learn about this "Universal Law" that you mentioned, as it is new to me. However, I did also expect you would be eager to share, but seeing as that was wrong, let's leave friendly for now. Maybe the idea alone will enable me to find explanation elsewhere. Thank you.

I would not say "law" in terms of a specific set of explicit commandments, but I would say that God makes available to each individual gentile who has not heard the gospel a "covenant unto himself" (Romans 9:4) based on the knowledge of God's existence and character that is available through creation. Through that covenant the individual can find grace. An important point is that such a covenant is an individual one that leaves the person lonely--which the Body of Christ is intended to correct.

I point to Job as the scriptural example of such a person with a "covenant unto himself," and Job is worth studying from that viewpoint.
 
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Why do good non believers go to hell? If your a good person why should you be subjected to torment when you never really did anything wrong. What If you were the nicest most helpful person in the world would you still go to hell? Idk I don't think it's fair to be honest. Sure they messed up but maybe they were brought up differently or something you know.

This is a better question for the Lord Himself as I cant speak for Him to answer your question. But Jesus said this:

Mark 16:16: "The one who believes and is baptized will be saved, but the one who does not believe will be condemned."

So it comes down to "believing" rather than how good you are.
 
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Only reason a person can be saved is because God is gracious to forgive them, and typically they are required to repent. I was only curious to learn about this "Universal Law" that you mentioned, as it is new to me. However, I did also expect you would be eager to share, but seeing as that was wrong, let's leave friendly for now. Maybe the idea alone will enable me to find explanation elsewhere. Thank you.

If you fail to find any verse for you to reject it. It says that this can harmonize with the whole Bible. This is thus a possible truth. In fact, to say otherwise will conflict with the Bible here or there.

Moreover, what law did Lucifer break? Is it the same law given to the gentiles (written in their hearts)?

A set of universal law makes more sense here. The set of universal law is needed and with such a need driven by the future heaven. One needs to pass the Law in order to live with God in a forever realm. An offense of this law is a direct transgression to God. At the same time it means that you won't be able to live in the eternal heaven with God. God builds the heaven and its natural that Law is set up to guard this heaven that only the qualified are allowed to enter, both angels and humans and any other entities with freewill shall they exist.
 
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The reason why unbelievers will go to Judgment is that the state of their soul/spirit has not been cleansed by Christ's blood. They carry the stain of sin with them. Even though many unbelievers perform many more good works than most Christians, they count nothing towards getting them into heaven.

No, the reason they go to hell is because they are spiritually dead and remain identified with Satan.
 
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If you fail to find any verse for you to reject it. It says that this can harmonize with the whole Bible. This is thus a possible truth. In fact, to say otherwise will conflict with the Bible here or there.

Moreover, what law did Lucifer break? Is it the same law given to the gentiles (written in their hearts)?

A set of universal law makes more sense here. The set of universal law is needed and with such a need driven by the future heaven. One needs to pass the Law in order to live with God in a forever realm. An offense of this law is a direct transgression to God. At the same time it means that you won't be able to live in the eternal heaven with God. God builds the heaven and its natural that Law is set up to guard this heaven that only the qualified are allowed to enter, both angels and humans and any other entities with freewill shall they exist.

Lucifer is of a different order of being; he may not--probably doesn't--fall into the same category with humanity. Scripture indicates this by the fact that there is no salvation path for him.
 
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Lucifer is of a different order of being; he may not--probably doesn't--fall into the same category with humanity. Scripture indicates this by the fact that there is no salvation path for him.

Salvation is based off Grace, not law. Angels are not given the same Grace, not necessarily law.

Grace on the other hand is exclusively a result of Jesus Christ but no any other names.
 
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Why do good non believers go to hell? If your a good person why should you be subjected to torment when you never really did anything wrong. What If you were the nicest most helpful person in the world would you still go to hell? Idk I don't think it's fair to be honest. Sure they messed up but maybe they were brought up differently or something you know.

The good non-believer goes to hell because he/she is not as good as God. His own holy perfection is the standard for what is acceptable to Him and what is not. And no one can live up to God's standard. Thus, we all stand under God's condemnation, judgment and wrath. The "nicest, most helpful person in the world" is not nice enough, or helpful enough to meet God's standard. And it is, really, only His standard that matters.

A big part of the problem with your thinking is that it is steeped in sin - as is the case for all of humanity. We look at hell and think God is over-reacting. But we think this in large part because the sin God hates so much that He will punish it with eternal torment we find quite comfortable. We are so at ease with our own sin that we can't understand why God isn't. Oh, we might acknowledge that our sin isn't maybe the best way to live, but it can't be so bad as to deserve hell. And so, being sin-cursed creatures, we work to do the impossible and unite a holy God to our unholy living. Some try to assert that Hell does not exist, or that God plays only a passive role in our ending up there. Some simply ignore the many verses that warn us of God's wrathful punishment of the wicked and proclaim, "Love wins! Everybody ultimately goes to heaven!" But Scripture is explicit and clear:

John 3:36
36 He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him."

Romans 1:18
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,

Romans 2:5-9
5 But in accordance with your hardness and your impenitent heart you are treasuring up for yourself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God,
6 who "will render to each one according to his deeds":
7 eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality;
8 but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness--indignation and wrath,
9 tribulation and anguish, on every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek;


Colossians 3:5-6
5 Therefore put to death your members which are on the earth: fornication, uncleanness, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry.
6 Because of these things the wrath of God is coming upon the sons of disobedience,


And how, ultimately, will God express His wrath upon unrepentant sinners?

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9
7 ...when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels,
8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.
9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,


Selah.
 
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Salvation is based off Grace, not law. Angels are not given the same Grace, not necessarily law.

Grace on the other hand is exclusively a result of Jesus Christ but no any other names.

Adam and Eve got one command: Do not eat of the tree. There is no record of any angels being given that command.
 
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God made it way to difficult.
What makes you so sure that He did that?
Man I'm getting confused reading all these posts...
Me too! Probably the important thing though, what someone else understands isn't necessary for me to understand. And likewise, what I understand isn't necessary to force others to understand. So we should focus on understanding those things that are necessary and important.
 
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What makes you so sure that He did that?

Me too! Probably the important thing though, what someone else understands isn't necessary for me to understand. And likewise, what I understand isn't necessary to force others to understand. So we should focus on understanding those things that are necessary and important.

Eyy ants yoo. Well like god made things difficult with the other religions. Then again I guess that ain't his fault but still. And the bible. Some things when taken in the wrong interpertation and stuff cause disagreements. Like evolution and creationists. Also because I've never seen him or something idk it just that ya know how do you believe in him when like there is a lot of things that make no sense. Like some scriptures in Leviticus something bout not wearing 2 fabrics idk I'm like rambling but I think you got me.
 
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That means I'll go to hell if I don't believe in God? Man the problems is I just need some reason to believe in him. I believe in a god now but I don't know about which one. God made it way to difficult. How do I know Muslims haven't got it right or Hindus or whatever. He gave me all these choices and is now confusing me.


If a person has not had the opportunity to hear the Gospel.....but loves truth and justice, and practices such, they are counted as righteous:


Rom. 4:3 (For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.)



If you are such a person, then you are a believer in the God of the Bible.
 
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