Hoarders,...oh,i mean preppers,

seekingsolace · Sep 1, 2015

Funny how we can pick and choose scripture to agree with our opinions. Funny, but sad - and incredibly dangerous.

Alithis · Sep 2, 2015

seekingsolace said:
Funny how we can pick and choose scripture to agree with our opinions. Funny, but sad - and incredibly dangerous.

yes the post on reasons to prep is heavily weighted with supportive scripture

and I give it 10 out of 10 for that ..as it is well supported .
i just like to balance it with the question of faith and obedience .. but when I say that im speaking in the context of those long term preppers who think they can hole up with all their hoardings for a year or something lol.

im not speaking in terms of being wise in terms of what some have shared in being prepared for sudden calamity .
i mean the gospel is (or should be ) the main motivation in everything we do . so i consider ... what a great witness that we stored a little extra with which to bless some grumpy neighbor whose always hated those religious neighbors .. and blow his/her socks of with Godly love and generosity at a time of great need -because we ha prepared in advance to do so .

this is the reason i strongly emphasize " Do as you feel the lord lead you to do " but do so from faith ,love and trust in God .. not from fear or self preservation.
because those other verses which are not listed in the pro preppers manuel are verses pertaining to FAITH .. ie the widow who took what little she had ..(and note it was what she had left of what she had "stored" {let's not overlook that important point })and shared it with the man of God (elisha)and the lord made it last throughout a famine -that would not have happened if she had not shared it in faith , And the birds of the air that neither sow nor reap but the lord clothes and feeds them .. but i assure you (everyone) the birds he refers to in the parable are those who are about their heavenly father's business .Not those sitting in our lounge ,flash car, cinema ,restaurant and occasionally giving an hour to god on a sunday morning ...we are all about our own business and god comes a distant 2nd -i mean get honest !

Alithis · Sep 2, 2015

to summarize ..i think that being prepared should be a work of the gospel ,we should always be preparing to preach the gospel in word AND deed and being prepared for a calamity in a manner that helps us to display the love of God without bias to every one we can in their greatest need is a great work of the Gospel

just never let self preservation be our motive(for God is able to raise us up again ) but only love for God and in him for all others .

seekingsolace · Sep 2, 2015

Alithis said:
yes the post on reasons to prep is heavily weighted with supportive scripture

I disagree. Will the sinners and evildoers be hidden in caves from the wrath of God? yes. I personally will be stood waiting and watching for God.

i just like to balance it with the question of faith and obedience .. but when I say that im speaking in the context of those long term preppers who think they can hole up with all their hoardings for a year or something lol.

To an extent, prepping for financial trouble or a number of potential disasters is well and good. What I don't agree with is stockpiling guns and ammunition. Nor do I agree with going to the extreme of prepping when so many have no food these very seconds.

i mean the gospel is (or should be ) the main motivation in everything we do . so i consider ... what a great witness that we stored a little extra with which to bless some grumpy neighbor whose always hated those religious neighbors .. and blow his/her socks of with Godly love and generosity at a time of great need -because we ha prepared in advance to do so .

I feel it is a greater witness to help those in need now, when each moment a difference could be made. Stockpiling for what may never happen in your lifetime - shows to me a distrust in God and lack of faith in His care. Now that doesn't mean you stop grocery shopping and expect manna from heaven to drop for you.

to summarize ..i think that being prepared should be a work of the gospel ,we should always be preparing to preach the gospel in word AND deed and being prepared for a calamity in a manner that helps us to display the love of God without bias to every one we can in their greatest need is a great work of the Gospel

The issue I have here, when we are dead and gone - with a stockpile of food left slowly decaying, as millions starve - what do you say to God? I was planning for an uncertain future, it seemed best to me to stockpile for myself rather than share to others in the time I had.

In regards to self defence: defending a nation, or protecting others from evil is well and good. Yet if it is a matter of faith, no, it is not. You need to be willing to become a martyr, turning the other cheek and bearing your own cross.

Again we can try to justify anything with verses from the Bible. Morality is shown to differing perspectives in the Bible, don't pick the choice ones. Many people fool themselves into believing the Lord leads me to do this - when in fact, they resist Gods will.

I am absolutely certain if your time had been spent sharing resources to those in need now. if the time comes for disaster and shortage - God will provide. Live or die, God sustains us.

DawnStar · Sep 2, 2015

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Alithis · Sep 2, 2015

seekingsolace said:
I disagree. Will the sinners and evildoers be hidden in caves from the wrath of God? yes. I personally will be stood waiting and watching for God.

To an extent, prepping for financial trouble or a number of potential disasters is well and good. What I don't agree with is stockpiling guns and ammunition. Nor do I agree with going to the extreme of prepping when so many have no food these very seconds.

I feel it is a greater witness to help those in need now, when each moment a difference could be made. Stockpiling for what may never happen in your lifetime - shows to me a distrust in God and lack of faith in His care. Now that doesn't mean you stop grocery shopping and expect manna from heaven to drop for you.

The issue I have here, when we are dead and gone - with a stockpile of food left slowly decaying, as millions starve - what do you say to God? I was planning for an uncertain future, it seemed best to me to stockpile for myself rather than share to others in the time I had.

In regards to self defence: defending a nation, or protecting others from evil is well and good. Yet if it is a matter of faith, no, it is not. You need to be willing to become a martyr, turning the other cheek and bearing your own cross.

Again we can try to justify anything with verses from the Bible. Morality is shown to differing perspectives in the Bible, don't pick the choice ones. Many people fool themselves into believing the Lord leads me to do this - when in fact, they resist Gods will.

I am absolutely certain if your time had been spent sharing resources to those in need now. if the time comes for disaster and shortage - God will provide. Live or die, God sustains us.

-yes i get where your coming from. but im sure we are not speaking of "the preppers like you see on tv lol. stockpiling weapons and ammo?? no that is nothing to do with christianity -the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but spiritual ..

-and of course we should be helping those in need now - Always (and many are im sure )those that are not need to get convicted ,repent and get going .
willing to be a martyr is bold speak and i understand the sentiment .but few who speak thus are wiling to give up an hour to spend an hour in prayer let alone give up their life .the intellectual sentiment and the spiritual reality are two very different things ..one comes from a carnal view the other from the power of the holy Ghost within -one is of the flesh the other to the glory of God .
im not sure why you speak of self defense of a nation ? all the nations of the world will fall when the lord returns .i only mentioned a warning against self preservation as a motivation for prepping .

- of course God is able to provide .. sometime he does so miraculously .. some times he does so through people some times he does so through telling us to prepare in advance .. we cant "box" this topic up into a singular one size fits all package . to one he says .. go to another he says stay to another he says you will be carried where you would not go and to another he says ..if I will that he never die ..what is that to you ? -we must each seek the lord ,listen and obey what he tells each of us to do .

i just encourage all.. do so from love and obedience -- not from fear and self preservation.

Alithis · Sep 2, 2015

DawnStar said:
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hey there dawn star.. long time no see ..

speak up lol

seekingsolace · Sep 2, 2015

Alithis said:
no that is nothing to do with christianity -the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but spiritual ..

I'm glad we agree on this.

-and of course we should be helping those in need now - Always (and many are im sure )those that are not need to get convicted ,repent and get going .
willing to be a martyr is bold speak and i understand the sentiment .but few who speak thus are wiling to give up an hour to spend an hour in prayer let alone give up their life .the intellectual sentiment and the spiritual reality are two very different things ..one comes from a carnal view the other from the power of the holy Ghost within -one is of the flesh the other to the glory of God .

Indeed, many would turn away in times of tribulation. The point was, as a true born again believer - you need to be willing to. I agree that many Christians wouldn't spare a thought for another, let alone become a martyr. I'm not entirely sure I understand your message concerning a carnal view and the holy spirit - what is this in reference too? Instructing and reflecting on the words of God is never a carnal sentiment.

im not sure why you speak of self defense of a nation ? all the nations of the world will fall when the lord returns .i only mentioned a warning against self preservation as a motivation for prepping .

Just a general comment as an observation of most 'prepping' movements.

- of course God is able to provide .. sometime he does so miraculously .. some times he does so through people some times he does so through telling us to prepare in advance .. we cant "box" this topic up into a singular one size fits all package . to one he says .. go to another he says stay to another he says you will be carried where you would not go and to another he says ..if I will that he never die ..what is that to you ? -we must each seek the lord ,listen and obey what he tells each of us to do .

it's important to act in faith and not conforming to the world, and especially not concerning ourselves with earthly things. We are not of this world. What my opinion was and is that: the resources, time and worries exhausted in prepping could be put to better use. Keeping resources in supply is well and good, going to extremes; arming yourselves; hoarding and all other negative connotations are not (in my view) acting in faith and certainly not looking to heavenly things. Focus, as always, should be on the heavenly.

I hope you didn't feel any of my comments were an attack on you. Indeed, most of them were a generalization.

Alithis · Sep 2, 2015

seekingsolace said:
I'm glad we agree on this.

Indeed, many would turn away in times of tribulation. The point was, as a true born again believer - you need to be willing to. I agree that many Christians wouldn't spare a thought for another, let alone become a martyr. I'm not entirely sure I understand your message concerning a carnal view and the holy spirit - what is this in reference too? Instructing and reflecting on the words of God is never a carnal sentiment.

Just a general comment as an observation of most 'prepping' movements.

it's important to act in faith and not conforming to the world, and especially not concerning ourselves with earthly things. We are not of this world. What my opinion was and is that: the resources, time and worries exhausted in prepping could be put to better use. Keeping resources in supply is well and good, going to extremes; arming yourselves; hoarding and all other negative connotations are not (in my view) acting in faith and certainly not looking to heavenly things. Focus, as always, should be on the heavenly.

I hope you didn't feel any of my comments were an attack on you. Indeed, most of them were a generalization.

No

i find the oppurtunity to clarify and reflect on things i post to be benificial .

SavedByGrace3 · Sep 3, 2015

Interesting comments.
We are prepping more than we need because we know that the Word tells up to feed the poor. We will have the goods of this world so that when our brothers and sisters in the Lord come to us we will be able to feed them. The love of Good compels us. You can teach us a lesson about being spiritual and how you do not worry about your life while we feed your kids. We won't mind. We are planning on it. You can look down on us and rail against us while you load up on seconds. I recommend the mac and cheese. Save some room for apple pie!

hislegacy · Sep 3, 2015

Te basis for all we do is at the direction of the Holy Spirit. As long as you are following Him, you will be in peace no matter what.

seekingsolace · Sep 4, 2015

Didaskalos said:
Interesting comments.
We are prepping more than we need because we know that the Word tells up to feed the poor.

You have the opportunity to do that now. Don't make the mistake of hoarding for what (more than likely) will never happen. Feed the poor, yes - do it in the certainty of the time given now.

We will have the goods of this world so that when our brothers and sisters in the Lord come to us we will be able to feed them.

This very moment those cans of food stockpiled could be feeding the starving. What about the brothers and sisters in the Lord needing you now?

The love of Good compels us. You can teach us a lesson about being spiritual and how you do not worry about your life while we feed your kids. We won't mind. We are planning on it. You can look down on us and rail against us while you load up on seconds.

A person disagreeing is not looking down on you. It is too easy to fool ourselves to believe we are led by God, when it is our own desires. Consider the actual teachings of the Lord; how is showing Godly love, by keeping it from others?

My intent is not to offend or accuse anyone. We all have to answer to God, make the right decisions in His eyes, not ours. None of us are always without error - so reflect.

Alithis · Sep 4, 2015

Didaskalos said:
Interesting comments.
We are prepping more than we need because we know that the Word tells up to feed the poor. We will have the goods of this world so that when our brothers and sisters in the Lord come to us we will be able to feed them. The love of Good compels us. You can teach us a lesson about being spiritual and how you do not worry about your life while we feed your kids. We won't mind. We are planning on it. You can look down on us and rail against us while you load up on seconds. I recommend the mac and cheese. Save some room for apple pie!

seems a little defensive in light of what i think has been a balanced view presented ... perhaps you would like to amend the use of the term "you" in the above quoted post

SavedByGrace3 · Sep 4, 2015

Alithis said:
seems a little defensive in light of what i think has been a balanced view presented ... perhaps you would like to amend the use of the term "you" in the above quoted post

Hmmmm.... why do you identify with that "you?"

But it is still true... we will be one day feeding the children of those who oppose prepping today. It is a certainty.
It is not a little defensive... it is not being defensive enough. I am being kind and relatively gentle because we are Christians and should press but not push. But encouraging people to prep is something the Lord wants us to do. That is one of the purposes of this forum.. to promote and by it's very nature defend the act of prepping as just a smart and wise thing to do. Some people catch the message, look at the signs of the times, and do what is smart and wise. Some people get faux spiritual on us today but may be watching their kids starve one day. Christian preppers have scripture and history on our side. This has been true for thousands of years. I can show you millions of Christians and their children who would have lived had they just had some common sense and did some reasonable prepping. Opponents of Christian prepping cannot show me a single instance in the last 2000 years where, when some civil uproar or natural catastrophe occurred, all the Christians marched out of the ruins unscathed. No, when the bombing of Dresden occurred, Christians where right in their dying with everyone else. When the tsunami in the Indian Ocean occurred, Christians died. No reports of millions of believers marching out out the Russian or Chinese death camps. In the famines in Ethiopia, untold thousands of Christians starved. America and those in the western world who exist on a "just in time" economic model are two to three weeks away from starvation and death. If the food trans stopped today, people would be starving within a month. If the lights go out today, people will be starving and dying.
I will be feeding some of those. I will be spiritual too. I will strive to do both. Better to be spiritual AND practical than to fain one and oppose the other.

seekingsolace · Sep 4, 2015

Didaskalos said:
But it is still true... we will be one day feeding the children of those who oppose prepping today. It is a certainty.

No person knows anything to a certainty, saying otherwise is foolish. This very second God could take everything away from you.

It is not a little defensive... it is not being defensive enough. I am being kind and relatively gentle because we are Christians and should press but not push. But encouraging people to prep is something the Lord wants us to do.

Again, caution when speaking of what the Lord wants. Many false teachers claim the exact same, always concerning.

That is one of the purposes of this forum.. to promote and by it's very nature defend the act of prepping as just a smart and wise thing to do. Some people catch the message, look at the signs of the times, and do what is smart and wise. Some people get faux spiritual on us today but may be watching their kids starve one day. Christian preppers have scripture and history on our side.

There is nothing 'faux' spiritual in reading the plain sense of scriptures. Any rational human being, certainly a Christian should be able to understand that. Speaking of kids maybe starving one day; a little perspective - millions are this day.

I feel a duty to speak of such things so Christians do not delude themselves, instead reflecting on Gods words. I genuinely find your words concerning, and I hope God will not see your answers as lacking as I do.

Alithis · Sep 4, 2015

Didaskalos said:
Hmmmm.... why do you identify with that "you?"
But it is still true... we will be one day feeding the children of those who oppose prepping today. It is a certainty.
It is not a little defensive... it is not being defensive enough. I am being kind and relatively gentle because we are Christians and should press but not push. But encouraging people to prep is something the Lord wants us to do. That is one of the purposes of this forum.. to promote and by it's very nature defend the act of prepping as just a smart and wise thing to do. Some people catch the message, look at the signs of the times, and do what is smart and wise. Some people get faux spiritual on us today but may be watching their kids starve one day. Christian preppers have scripture and history on our side. This has been true for thousands of years. I can show you millions of Christians and their children who would have lived had they just had some common sense and did some reasonable prepping. Opponents of Christian prepping cannot show me a single instance in the last 2000 years where, when some civil uproar or natural catastrophe occurred, all the Christians marched out of the ruins unscathed. No, when the bombing of Dresden occurred, Christians where right in their dying with everyone else. When the tsunami in the Indian Ocean occurred, Christians died. No reports of millions of believers marching out out the Russian or Chinese death camps. In the famines in Ethiopia, untold thousands of Christians starved. America and those in the western world who exist on a "just in time" economic model are two to three weeks away from starvation and death. If the food trans stopped today, people would be starving within a month. If the lights go out today, people will be starving and dying.
I will be feeding some of those. I will be spiritual too. I will strive to do both. Better to be spiritual AND practical than to fain one and oppose the other.

you will note i have not "discouraged" any from (preparing )doing so , but only challenged that the heart motive be right before the lord .Be led of the Holy Spirit not the flesh .
and be wary of too much confidence in one's own abilities in ANY situation .for when we lean on our own strength faith is weakened not strengthened .

and to be fair -.. you cannot say it is a certainty -with certainty .not in light of the revelations to John .

Alithis · Sep 4, 2015

seekingsolace said:
No person knows anything to a certainty, saying otherwise is foolish. This very second God could take everything away from you.

Again, caution when speaking of what the Lord wants. Many false teachers claim the exact same, always concerning.

There is nothing 'faux' spiritual in reading the plain sense of scriptures. Any rational human being, certainly a Christian should be able to understand that. Speaking of kids maybe starving one day; a little perspective - millions are this day.

I feel a duty to speak of such things so Christians do not delude themselves, instead reflecting on Gods words. I genuinely find your words concerning, and I hope God will not see your answers as lacking as I do.

I would say "settle down" -- for neither can we tell others what the lords will is for them in singular situations . - ie- if the lord is telling you to feed the poor TODAY .. then get to it -if he is telling another to prepare for a later day.. then they must get to it also .. the hand does not say to the foot what need have i of thee .

my intent was to discuss the issue not oppose it

probinson · Sep 4, 2015

I will preface my post by saying that I agree with the general premise the OP is making, that we should all be led by and follow God's leading. Therefore, if you feel God telling you to "prep", then by golly you should prep.

But let me tell you the main problem I have with the prepping movement. It is the undertone of everything that is spoken. Doom. Disaster. If you don't prepare, you could starve. You could suffer. You could die. All of these things are spoken of in a negative light to be avoided at all costs. But the Bible tells us that to die is gain (Philippians 1:21). So my main issue with the general theme of the prepping movement is that people are expending an awful lot of time and energy so that they can hold on to this life which David described as a mere breath, a fleeting shadow.

Death, where is thy sting? This is at the very core of our Christian faith. Yet the prepping movement tells you that you should spend YEARS preparing so that when whatever disaster finally hits, you can hold on to this fleeting life for a minute longer. And it makes no sense to me. If I do indeed starve because I did not "prep", I have only gained. And I know the outcome is certain; an eternity spent with my Savior.

It is for these reasons that I personally do not "prep", at least not in the sense being discussed in this thread. If/when disaster strikes, either God will supply my needs and extend my fleeting life for a moment longer, or I will die. Either way, I can only gain.

seekingsolace · Sep 4, 2015

Alithis said:
I would say "settle down" -- for neither can we tell others what the lords will is for them in singular situations . - ie- if the lord is telling you to feed the poor TODAY .. then get to it -if he is telling another to prepare for a later day.. then they must get to it also .. the hand does not say to the foot what need have i of thee.

Not quite sure of the intent of 'settle down' or how this is fitting. The point is, and always was: Gods word is very clear on helping people. Hoarding or prepping is saving for primarily (yourself) while the opportunity to help now, simply isn't acted on (this is my opinion). I hope that isn't an insinuation that I am telling a person "what Gods will is for them" if I misread your intent I apologise. I don't claim to speak on Gods behalf.

If a person is led by God to keep extra, it is well and good. However, what I have said is to highlight how easy it can be to fool ourselves. The Bible is pretty clear on these issues I feel, yet claims to do what is 'smart and wise' is relying on humans limited and often tainted understanding. Yes it is an individual matter, yet the sin inherent in human beings and societal pressures is always there. Ultimately what matters is Gods will, and trusting in His care and sovereignty.

I really didn't expect to need to provide any scriptures. A few to highlight I am not speaking from some biased opposition.

James 2:15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

Luke 3:11 He answered and said to them, “He who has two tunics, let him give to him who has none; and he who has food, let him do likewise.”

Proverbs
Do not be afraid of sudden terror,
Nor of trouble from the wicked when it comes;
For the Lord will be your confidence,
And will keep your foot from being caught.
Do not withhold good from those to whom it is due,
When it is in the power of your hand to do so.
Do not say to your neighbor,
“Go, and come back,
And tomorrow I will give it,”
When you have it with you.

There is one who scatters, yet increases more;
And there is one who withholds more than is right,
But it leads to poverty.
The generous soul will be made rich,
And he who waters will also be watered himself.

He covets greedily all day long,
But the righteous gives and does not spare.

He who gives to the poor will not lack,
But he who hides his eyes will have many curses.

Mark 12:41-44: Now Jesus sat opposite the treasury and saw how the people put money into the treasury. And many who were rich put in much. Then one poor widow came and threw in two mites, which make a quadrans. So He called His disciples to Himself and said to them, “Assuredly, I say to you that this poor widow has put in more than all those who have given to the treasury; for they all put in out of their abundance, but she out of her poverty put in all that she had, her whole livelihood.”

Luke 6:38: Give, and it will be given to you: good measure, pressed down, shaken together, and running over will be put into your bosom. For with the same measure that you use, it will be measured back to you.”

my intent was to discuss the issue not oppose it

I know, you have been helpful. Mine is just to offer the other side.

SavedByGrace3 · Sep 4, 2015

Thing is my friends, I do not need some special revelation or leading to do what the Word tells me to do. The "50 Reasons Christians should be Prepping" is loaded with scriptures and common sense reasoning that will convince any rational person that they should be prepared... Christian or not.
If you are spiritual and ready to go home to the Lord, praise the lord. But when I look into my children's and grand-children's eyes, my spirit (not I but Christ that lives in me) says, "I am going to do everything I can to protect you and care for you." After all the spiritual arguments are made, love says to care for those you love. Today, tomorrow, and for as long as He gives me strength to do so. I do not prep for myself. I am getting up in years and may not even see the things for which we prep for. But long after I am gone, my kids will still have these preps I have built up.
And when and if that day comes, when "SHTF" and civilization heads downhill, come on by and I will be glad to feed and your children, else the love of God be not in me.... this is why we prep. It is not for doomsday or even our of irrational fear. It is just for the scriptural reasons we have given.

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