Why do people believe in a Rapture?

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ok, i get it. i'm the "bad guy"!

given that, can you tell me where i can find the word "rapture" in the bible?

and can you tell me the purpose of the rapture?

I will tell the readers. You should already know it.

Latin Vulgate
4:17 deinde nos qui vivimus qui relinquimur simul rapiemur cum illis in nubibus obviam Domino in aera et sic semper cum Domino erimus

The purpose is to remove the Bride of Christ before wrath is poured out. Of course God has long waited for His bride. Another purpose is long awaited marriage and supper in heaven.
 
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I feel you,it's not that I want to be left behind,it's just that I know there will be no rapture....Scripture tells me to be prepared for the imposter....

What I want most and pray for,is that I can be found worthy enough for the below

Mark 13:11
"But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost [Spirit]."

True Christians don't run,we stand,and I can't wait to stand against that wicked one!!!!!
If anyone wishes to be left behind, I believe God will accommodate them. However, His WILL is that His bride be ready for the great departure before His wrath comes.

For this reason, any who are left behind out OUTSIDE of His will.
 
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"Seventy (p) weeks are determined upon (q) thy people and upon thy holy city"

The New Testament church is not in this. It is for Daniel's people, the Hebrews.


Heb 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

Heb 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

Heb 8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

They cannot go back to the Old Covenant because it ended at the Cross, when He bowed His blood soaked head and said... "It is finished."


Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

We are to stay on the field of battle until the King returns to this rotten, sin-cursed world to make all things right.

We are not going to be evacuated and leave the descendants of Jacob here to go back to Law Keeping, which they were never able to do in the first place.


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Heb 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

Heb 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

Heb 8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

They cannot go back to the Old Covenant because it ended at the Cross, when He bowed His blood soaked head and said... "It is finished."

Read what it said.

Heb 8:8 For
finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

1) "Will" is future tense.

2) The nation of Israel has been nonexistence the last 2k years.

3) The house of Israel has been scattered since around 600 BC and not yet returned. Current Israel consist of Judah and Benjamin.

4) It is finish only applies to those who accepted Christ. 2/3 of the world is not finish.

Add all 4 together, then You are finish.


We are to stay on the field of battle until the King returns to this rotten, sin-cursed world to make all things right.

We are not going to be evacuated and leave the descendants of Jacob here to go back to Law Keeping, which they were never able to do in the first place.

Well what have you done so far helping the descendants of Jacob currently in a time of peace? If you haven't done anything yet, what makes you think you'll be doing anything during a time of wrath?
 
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Heb 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
The text above was written in the present tense.

Some of us are a little off on our timing and do not seem to know when God first spoke of the New Covenant found in Hebrews chapter 8...


Jer_11:10 They are turned back to the iniquities of their forefathers, which refused to hear my words; and they went after other gods to serve them: the house of Israel and the house of Judah have broken my covenant which I made with their fathers.

Jer_31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
This was first recorded by the prophet Jeremiah.
Christ confirmed the New Covenant with His Blood at Calvary. He said... "It is finished."

The author of Hebrews was quoting the text from Jeremiah. This was the reason for the change in tense.

Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

Mat 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

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I am making the following text a little larger because some of us have not seen it yet on each of my posts.
Please do not regard this as "flaming", "goading", "shouting", etc., since that is not my purpose for enlarging the text.

Support Jews for Jesus or Word of Messiah Ministries.
The descendants of Jacob need to hear the Gospel, now.

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If anyone wishes to be left behind, I believe God will accommodate them. However, His WILL is that His bride be ready for the great departure before His wrath comes.

For this reason, any who are left behind out OUTSIDE of His will.


So will there be two brides and two weddings....The only departure will be,from truth.....
 
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Well what have you done so far helping the descendants of Jacob currently in a time of peace? If you haven't done anything yet, what makes you think you'll be doing anything during a time of wrath?
Well said....
 
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Most everyone know the relationship of the first five feast to events in the scripture,
But few seem to know anything about the last three feast and their relationship to events in scripture.

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My question to you, or anyone else,

Why would you be dogmatic about any doctrine "Knowing" there are facts you don't understand that have a direct relationship to the doctrine you do believe????


All I want to know is,what part of after the trib do you all not understand?

What part of we will not be gathered until after the man of sin is revealed do you all not understand?
 
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All of the prophets and the apostles wanted to be here during the endtimes
Joh 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, (where is that)
I will come again, and receive you unto myself;
that where I am, (where is that) there ye may be also.

Israel always knew that man had an appointment with death, everybody dies, eventually,
but Paul came along said he would show a "Mystery", not everybody was going to die, some would be changed in the twinkling of an eye.

Israel was never promised a snaching away, (Harpazzo, snaching away/Rapture) only the church or "Body of Christ",

"WHY" wasn't Israel promised a Rapture????


Israel is the Church,the change is at the return off Christ 2nd
 
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Well said....

We have had descendants of Jacob who met in my home, with my wife and I for Bible study.

We support Sam Nadler, a Jewish Christian, whose ministry who is taking the Gospel to the Jewish people.
His ministry is based in Charlotte, NC and is known as "Word of Messiah".
I had the privilege of meeting Sam and his wife Miriam when they spoke at a local church.
We also support a more well known ministry known as "Jews for Jesus".


Would you consider that helping them, or would you rather condemn me for not following John Darby's doctrine?

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Riberra said:
-The 6 th seal events will start the beginning of the Tribulation.
-The killing of the two witnesses by the Beast will mark the middle of the Tribulation and the beginning of the 3 1/2 years of the reign of the Beast.
-God will execute His wrath by pouring out the 7 vials(Revelation 16).

-The Day of the Lord /Jesus Second Coming happen at the 7 Th vial and will include the battle of Armageddon.
For once, I can agree with something you write: The 6th seal shows us the beginning of the Day of the Lord and God's wrath poured out.
Remember, i said that the 6 TH seal events will mark the beginning of the Tribulation ... **more details below.

You are mistaken about the Two Witnesses: They BEGIN their ministry just 3 1/2 days before the exact midpoint, and testify until almost the END of the last half of the week.
I doubt that the Beast will let the Two Witnesses doing their ministry during the 3 1/2 years of his reign during the last half of the tribulation and at the same time starting beheading the Christians....
The Two Witnesses will most likely start their -one thousand two hundred and threescore days ministry -not long after the sealing of the 144,000 near the beginning of the Tribulation.
Revelation 11
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
...
7 And when they shall have FINISHED their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

You are mistaken about "the day of the Lord" being Jesus' second coming. Go back and read it again: John said the "Day of His wrath" was to begin way back in Rev. 6. You seem to find the need to REARRANGE Revelation to fit twisted doctrine. Why not form your doctrine from what is written? You would find it makes far more sense than what you write.
I have never REARRANGE Revelation.

**I do believe that the Great Earthquake of the 6 Th Seal is caused by God ,as well as all the other earthquakes mentioned in Revelation after the 6 TH Seal. (which are markers of -some- events among other things )

-Remember this ,the events happening from the 6 Th seal to the 7 Th Trumpet are part of the Tribulation.

-God will execute His wrath by pouring out the 7 vials.(Revelation 16)

-The prophesied Day of the Lord /Jesus Second Coming happen at the 7 Th vial and will include Jesus coming as a thief , the total worldwide earthquake far bigger than the 6th seal earthquake/,the destruction of The Great Babylon by fire and brimstone ,the great hail of stone(Revelation 16:14-21) Culminating with Jesus appearing visibly for the battle of Armageddon...the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.Revelation 19:15-21
 
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All of the prophets and the apostles wanted to be here during the endtimes



Israel is the Church,the change is at the return off Christ 2nd
Why would you want to be beheaded instead of being with Christ?
 
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Why would you want to be beheaded instead of being with Christ?


Is being beheaded your biggest issue?

May I ask what you think of Christians who were tortured in the past

Let's do the past first

Early Christians sometimes faced persecution and even death for their beliefs. Many were tortured first; some were not. Of Jesus’s 11 disciples (not counting Judas) Peter, Simon the Zealot, Phillip, Jude the brother of James, and Andrew were all crucified in various parts of the world. Peter requested to be crucified upside down, a request the Romans were only too happy to grant. Andrew’s cross was in the shape of an X, which is now called St. Andrew’s Cross and appears on the Scottish flag.
This list contains 10 of the most bizarre and painful methods of torture inflicted upon the Christians of antiquity through the Early Middle Ages. Much of this information has been gleaned from John Foxe’s Book of Martyrs and corroborated elsewhere.

1- Cooked To Death

2- Dragged To Death

Mark, who wrote the Gospel of Mark, founded the Christian Church in Alexandria and preached to the masses that they should give up their Egyptian gods and goddesses. It’s not clear how long he was able to keep this up, but he did convert many before A.D. 68, when an angry mob tied a rope around his neck and dragged him through the streets behind a chariot for two days without interruption. The dragging continued even after his death, until his bones were showing.

3- Skinned

Removal of the skin is so excruciating that victims invariably passed out multiple times during the torture. To prevent this, they were usually hung upside down so the excess blood flow to their brains forced them to remain conscious. The skin is not easy to remove, and torturers rarely made an effort to remove it in one piece unless they wanted a trophy. Typically, the skin was sliced into strips, then each strip peeled from the body with the aid of a knife. Often, the skin was thrown into a fire or to animals, or dangled before the victim’s eyes.
This is how Bartholomew, one of the 12 apostles, was killed by locals in Armenia, into whose language he translated Matthew’s Gospel. The Armenians refused to abandon their idols and executed Bartholomew by crucifying him upside down and skinning him.

4- Sewn Into Skins And Eaten By Dogs

This torture was devised by Nero himself, not merely to cause Christians pain but to entertain him and his guests. Nero was infamously rumored to have crucified Christians on trees in his gardens, coated them with wax, and set them on fire to light his nightly walks (he evidently didn’t mind the stench). Others he ordered sewn into hides—any large animal was skinned, and the prepared skin sewn around the victim except for the head, hands, and feet. Then ravenous dogs were set loose. The victim could only scuttle around on all fours like a crab. Nero was said to have laughed heartily as the dogs gnawed at the skin as they would a bone.
Julian of Antioch was tortured every day for an entire year and displayed to the crowds in every town in Cilicia, (a southern coastal region of what is now Turkey). He was then sewn into a skin filled with asps and scorpions and flung into the Aegean Sea. He was said to have floated all the way across the Mediterranean to Alexandria, Egypt.

5- Starved To Death

6- Boiled To Death

7- The Inquisition’s Auto Da Fe

The most common method called for the victim to be stripped to his underwear and laid face-up on an elevated platform. Thin cords were passed through holes and wrapped around the limbs, then drawn so tightly that they cut through the victim’s flesh to the bones. If no confession was made, the process was repeated up to four times. If this elicited no confession, the next stage involved folding the arms backward behind the victim with the palms outward, then both arms were tied to a winch that ratcheted them closer and closer until the backs of the hands touched. This ripped both shoulders out of the sockets with such pressure that blood spewed from the mouth. A surgeon would then set the joints and the victim was given two months in prison to recover.
Two months later, the last torture involved a heavy chain lashed around the body with both ends attached to a winch. The arms were pinned straight at the sides and the chain was passed around the wrists. Then it was tightened like a tourniquet until the shoulders and wrists dislocated. The joints were then reset, and the torture immediately inflicted a second time. If the victim still did not confess, he was sent to be burned at the stake. If he did, he was placed in prison for another month or two, then released a cripple.

8- Ground To Death In A Mill

Under the rule of Maximian, Saint Victor Maurus may have suffered the most excruciating death of all. He secretly ministered to his parishioners in Milan until about 303, when he was discovered and immediately dragged through the streets behind a horse while the crowds stripped him naked and beat him, then demanded he recant. He refused and was stretched on the rack for a day, during which time he prayed to God for patience. He was then imprisoned—and immediately converted three of his guards. When Maximian heard of this, he ordered the guards beheaded, and Victor racked again, while the torturers beat him savagely with clubs. He was ordered to recant and refused a third time. Maximian had a Roman altar built and ordered Victor to sacrifice incense on it to Jupiter. This enraged Victor, who kicked over the altar. Maximian furiously ordered the offending foot cut off, after which Victor was flung into a stone mill used to grind wheat into flour, and the torturers ground him to death.

9- Broken On The Wheel

10- Having Their Guts Eaten By Pigs

In 363, under Julian the Apostate, Saint Marcus was Bishop of Arethusa, a town near modern Apameia, Syria. Julian ordered Marcus to repair a dilapidated pagan temple, but Marcus destroyed it instead, then fled the city. He soon realized that his Christian followers would pay for what he had done if he did not return—and so he did. The enraged townspeople dragged him through the streets, stripped him naked, stabbed him all over his body with their pencils and quills, then smeared him with honey and suspended him in a basket in a town square, where the wasps and bees would swarm into the basket and devour him


Where was the rapture for those people and the ones who are still dying today????
 
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Heb 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
The text above was written in the present tense.

Some of us are a little off on our timing and do not seem to know when God first spoke of the New Covenant found in Hebrews chapter 8...

Of course it's in present tense. You just don't get it. You're trying too hard. Christ already established a new covenant at His first coming. That's finished.

Here's a hint. Which one of Jacob's descendant were in Israel when Christ established that covenant?

Hebrews 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

Here's another hint. Hebrews 8:8 never happened.

For Jacob, it's not finished.

Jer_31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
This was first recorded by the prophet Jeremiah.
Christ confirmed the New Covenant with His Blood at Calvary. He said... "It is finished."
The author of Hebrews was quoting the text from Jeremiah. This was the reason for the change in tense.

Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

BAB2,

Who did Christ confirmed the New Covenant with?

Generally speaking, who accepted Christ's work on the cross, Jews or Gentiles?

Were descendants from all of Jacob's sons living in Israel during the first century at the time of Christ?

Read below. It's not finished for Jacob's descendant till Christ return and save them.

Romans 11:25-29 GNT
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There is a secret truth, my friends, which I want you to know, for it will keep you from thinking how wise you are. It is that the stubbornness of the people of Israel is not permanent, but will last only until the complete number of Gentiles comes to God. 26 And this is how all Israel will be saved. As the scripture says,

“The Savior will come from Zion and remove all wickedness from the descendants of Jacob.
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I will make this covenant with them when I take away their sins.”

28 Because they reject the Good News, the Jews are God's enemies for the sake of you Gentiles. But because of God's choice, they are his friends because of their ancestors. 29 For God does not change his mind about whom he chooses and blesses.​

So how can it be finish when Paul said it's not finish till "ALL" of Israel is saved.

Here's a hint. Paul wasn't referring to all 7 million Jews currently in Israel. He's talking about descendants from "ALL" of Jacob's sons.

BAB2, it's not finish.
 
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John 16:33
"These things I have spoken unto you, that in Me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world."

We overcome,not look to fly away

Are you telling us Christians are suppose to endure the tribulation (Daniel's 70th week)?

If so, how are those Christians that hoped for a post-trib rapture who died already suppose to go through the tribulation?

Do they end up in hell because they didn't overcome the tribulation?
 
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I don't believe in the rapture for the simple fact that it's not biblical.....Matt 24 is just one of many reasons..
If something is in the Bible, then it is "biblical", and since the Rapture is definitely in the Bible, it is as biblical as any other doctrine. Matthew 24 is NOT about the Rapture. It is about all the events leading up to the Second Coming of Christ "with power and great glory". The "elect" in this chapter are not Christians but redeemed Jews.

When Christ comes at the Rapture, He comes PERSONALLY ("the Lord HIMSELF") for the Rapture/Resurrection of the Church. But when Christ gathers the elect, He sends His angels to the four corners of the earth (with no reference to resurrection) -- And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other (Mt 24:31). Since a trumpet is mentioned, this resembles the Rapture, but the main difference is that no angels (other than the voice of the Archangel) are mentioned in 1 Thess 4:13-18.
 
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Is being beheaded your biggest issue?

May I ask what you think of Christians who were tortured in the past

Let's do the past first

Early Christians sometimes faced persecution and even death for their beliefs. Many were tortured first; some were not. Of Jesus’s 11 disciples (not counting Judas) Peter, Simon the Zealot, Phillip, Jude the brother of James, and Andrew were all crucified in various parts of the world. Peter requested to be crucified upside down, a request the Romans were only too happy to grant. Andrew’s cross was in the shape of an X, which is now called St. Andrew’s Cross and appears on the Scottish flag.
This list contains 10 of the most bizarre and painful methods of torture inflicted upon the Christians of antiquity through the Early Middle Ages. Much of this information has been gleaned from John Foxe’s Book of Martyrs and corroborated elsewhere.

1- Cooked To Death

2- Dragged To Death

Mark, who wrote the Gospel of Mark, founded the Christian Church in Alexandria and preached to the masses that they should give up their Egyptian gods and goddesses. It’s not clear how long he was able to keep this up, but he did convert many before A.D. 68, when an angry mob tied a rope around his neck and dragged him through the streets behind a chariot for two days without interruption. The dragging continued even after his death, until his bones were showing.

3- Skinned

Removal of the skin is so excruciating that victims invariably passed out multiple times during the torture. To prevent this, they were usually hung upside down so the excess blood flow to their brains forced them to remain conscious. The skin is not easy to remove, and torturers rarely made an effort to remove it in one piece unless they wanted a trophy. Typically, the skin was sliced into strips, then each strip peeled from the body with the aid of a knife. Often, the skin was thrown into a fire or to animals, or dangled before the victim’s eyes.
This is how Bartholomew, one of the 12 apostles, was killed by locals in Armenia, into whose language he translated Matthew’s Gospel. The Armenians refused to abandon their idols and executed Bartholomew by crucifying him upside down and skinning him.

4- Sewn Into Skins And Eaten By Dogs

This torture was devised by Nero himself, not merely to cause Christians pain but to entertain him and his guests. Nero was infamously rumored to have crucified Christians on trees in his gardens, coated them with wax, and set them on fire to light his nightly walks (he evidently didn’t mind the stench). Others he ordered sewn into hides—any large animal was skinned, and the prepared skin sewn around the victim except for the head, hands, and feet. Then ravenous dogs were set loose. The victim could only scuttle around on all fours like a crab. Nero was said to have laughed heartily as the dogs gnawed at the skin as they would a bone.
Julian of Antioch was tortured every day for an entire year and displayed to the crowds in every town in Cilicia, (a southern coastal region of what is now Turkey). He was then sewn into a skin filled with asps and scorpions and flung into the Aegean Sea. He was said to have floated all the way across the Mediterranean to Alexandria, Egypt.

5- Starved To Death

6- Boiled To Death

7- The Inquisition’s Auto Da Fe

The most common method called for the victim to be stripped to his underwear and laid face-up on an elevated platform. Thin cords were passed through holes and wrapped around the limbs, then drawn so tightly that they cut through the victim’s flesh to the bones. If no confession was made, the process was repeated up to four times. If this elicited no confession, the next stage involved folding the arms backward behind the victim with the palms outward, then both arms were tied to a winch that ratcheted them closer and closer until the backs of the hands touched. This ripped both shoulders out of the sockets with such pressure that blood spewed from the mouth. A surgeon would then set the joints and the victim was given two months in prison to recover.
Two months later, the last torture involved a heavy chain lashed around the body with both ends attached to a winch. The arms were pinned straight at the sides and the chain was passed around the wrists. Then it was tightened like a tourniquet until the shoulders and wrists dislocated. The joints were then reset, and the torture immediately inflicted a second time. If the victim still did not confess, he was sent to be burned at the stake. If he did, he was placed in prison for another month or two, then released a cripple.

8- Ground To Death In A Mill

Under the rule of Maximian, Saint Victor Maurus may have suffered the most excruciating death of all. He secretly ministered to his parishioners in Milan until about 303, when he was discovered and immediately dragged through the streets behind a horse while the crowds stripped him naked and beat him, then demanded he recant. He refused and was stretched on the rack for a day, during which time he prayed to God for patience. He was then imprisoned—and immediately converted three of his guards. When Maximian heard of this, he ordered the guards beheaded, and Victor racked again, while the torturers beat him savagely with clubs. He was ordered to recant and refused a third time. Maximian had a Roman altar built and ordered Victor to sacrifice incense on it to Jupiter. This enraged Victor, who kicked over the altar. Maximian furiously ordered the offending foot cut off, after which Victor was flung into a stone mill used to grind wheat into flour, and the torturers ground him to death.

9- Broken On The Wheel

10- Having Their Guts Eaten By Pigs

In 363, under Julian the Apostate, Saint Marcus was Bishop of Arethusa, a town near modern Apameia, Syria. Julian ordered Marcus to repair a dilapidated pagan temple, but Marcus destroyed it instead, then fled the city. He soon realized that his Christian followers would pay for what he had done if he did not return—and so he did. The enraged townspeople dragged him through the streets, stripped him naked, stabbed him all over his body with their pencils and quills, then smeared him with honey and suspended him in a basket in a town square, where the wasps and bees would swarm into the basket and devour him


Where was the rapture for those people and the ones who are still dying today????
 
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