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what is the doctrine of once saved always saved? Do wof folks believe that or something else?
what is the doctrine of once saved always saved? Do wof folks believe that or something else?
The quick answer is this: yes!what is the doctrine of once saved always saved? Do wof folks believe that or something else?
Spot on.The quick answer is this: yes!
Some in WoF believe OSAS. Andrew Wommack is a good example (although Andrew does believe you can willfully walk away, as opposed to do anything that makes you fall away). Another is Joseph Prince.
Some believe you can lose salvation (probably more in numbers here than in OSAS).
WoF is charismatic, and its roots grow out of Pentecostal beginnings. Most Pentecostal believers are strong believers in the ability to lose salvation (these tend to preach fire and brimstone a lot -- exclusion for not believing). The OSAS believers mostly came through the Grace teachers (these tend to teach God's love and grace -- inclusion for believing).
I first became a Christian in 2000. Afterwards I didn't just "tip-toe" around church. I got involved. I worked with the youth group, went on mission trips and became a leader, so to say, in my church. I went on to bible college. While I was there, my home church went through a pastoral change. I often talked with the new pastor when I would go in for visits, and talked about starting up some new ministries and out reaches, when I returned. I moved back after graduation and the pastor told me that he never said any of the things we had talked about and I would never be in ministry. For some reason, it seemed he and his wife also, had it out for me. I knew that God had called me back to my home church, but I walked right into hell it seemed. I met a couple that was opening a Christian ran skateboard park. They eventually asked me to be the minister, or Chaplin so to speak of the park and the skate team. I was there for over a year and we were growing. Kids and teens, and people in there early 20s would come weekly to the sevices. It was an amazing time. We met on Tuesday evenings so if any of them wanted to go to their family's churches they could. Towards the end, the pastor and he's wife told some parents of the kids and teens, that I was being sexual with several of them. Totally destroyed my life. Luckily, the owners, everyone that went there and even some of the parents that would visit testified on my be half and all the charges were dropped. But my reputation was tarnished beyond repair. Still just about anywhere I went I was looked down upon. I finally had enough with everything that had to do with Jesus. A few years later I joined the army, was deployed to Afghanistan, I knew if the worst were to happen and I lost my life, I would have gone to hell, and I didn't care.
I'm now back serving my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and I know now, just as before all that happened, I will go to heaven.
Jesus did not give up or leave me, I turned and left Him.
BTW... thank you for your military service. I checked out your bio and seen that your from Tulsa, Oklahoma and you attend a Victory Christian Center Church. Just wondering if this is the one that Billy Joe Daugherty use to pastor?
Even though you "left" God, He NEVER left you and NEVER will. His Love for you brought you back for He has work for you to do.
As a result I studied the subject because I honestly had no idea what to think and felt that I needed to understand it. I finally resolved the issue for myself with one thought - you don't lose your free will when you're saved.
I was raised with Free Will Baptist, and they teach you can backslide to hell.
All I can say is that with living like a heathen in my younger days, their was never a time that I thought God had abandoned me.
I caused my self and others pain, but God...
But God never let me go, I repented often because The Holy Spirit was drawing me back.
Even a disobedient Child knows his Father.
My Cathloic friends disowned me a long time ago,well all except BobYou were a heathen in your younger days as a Christian? My Catholic friends call me a heathen now! View attachment 163395
My Cathloic friends disowned me a long time ago,well all except Bob
once son / daughter always son / daughter. that's what i know. Our identity as citizenship of heaven is guaranteed by JESUS because we have the passport, HIS work in Calvary.
But it does not means you have passport then you are "rich". some citizen poor, some wealthy one. Some with big house in heaven + plenty reward, some shared room with other citizen cuz just received CHRIST in hospital ICU before last breath.
what is the doctrine of once saved always saved? Do wof folks believe that or something else?