[MOVED] Do Muslims feel justified?

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I was talking to an Arab that is here in our country on a student visa to get a college education. I am sure he is a peace loving person and seems to be a loving caring person. Yet I asked him about the bombing at an American Embassy. While he knew nothing about it I explained that there was a movie made in Hollywood that made Mohammad look bad. As a reaction to that movie they bombed the Embassy and people were killed. His reaction (in my opinion) was that Yes of course they were justified in attacking the embassy and killing because the honor of Mohammad needed to be defended.

I could understand if they targeted the director of the movie that they found to be offensive. But to attack innocent people simply because they were from the same country as the offender, that makes no sense to me. Although perhaps it accomplishes their objective because people in Hollywood will be afraid to make more movies like that.
 

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Cool story. I also once talked to a guy who offered an opinion also. :wave:
tulc(is pretty sure a few of us have) :)
The opinion I was concerned with was the opinion of the Muslim that felt justified to kill any American on sight because of what someone in Hollywood did. Opinions are one thing, the problem is when your opinion causes you to kill people.
 
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The opinion I was concerned with was the opinion of the Muslim that felt justified to kill any American on sight because of what someone in Hollywood did. Opinions are one thing, the problem is when your opinion causes you to kill people.

That may be true, but I'm not sure how it falls under "News and Current Events". :sorry:
tulc(just a thought) :wave:
 
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That may be true, but I'm not sure how it falls under "News and Current Events".

Try this:

2015.09.03 (Kerawa, Cameroon) - Two female suicide bombers slaughter thirty patrons at a market.

2015.09.02 (Sanaa, Yemen) - Over two dozen worshippers at a mosque are sent straight to Allah by two suicide bombers.

2015.09.02 (Latakia, Pakistan) - Sunni extremists set off a car bomb in a town square that claims ten lives.

2015.09.02 (Amran, Yemen) - Two Red Cross workers are shot to death by militant Muslims.

2015.09.01 (Kolori, Nigeria) - Boko Haram ride into a town on horseback, shoot eighteen residents to death and steal their food.

2015.09.01 (Jamrud, Pakistan) - A Fedayeen suicide bomber kills at least six others.

Terrorist statistics for August, 2015 alone:

240 attacks in 22 countries resulting in 2297 deaths and 2246 critically injured.

Source: http://thereligionofpeace.com/

The OP point is Muslims feel all of this is justified in the name of Allah, and he has a valid point.
 
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Terrorist statistics for August, 2015 alone:

240 attacks in 22 countries resulting in 2297 deaths and 2246 critically injured.
I did not realize the problem was that bad. They say it is going to get worse.
 
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The opinion I was concerned with was the opinion of the Muslim that felt justified to kill any American on sight because of what someone in Hollywood did. Opinions are one thing, the problem is when your opinion causes you to kill people.

Could also be that you made the whole thing up.


I did not realize the problem was that bad. They say it is going to get worse.

Who's they?
 
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Try this:

2015.09.03 (Kerawa, Cameroon) - Two female suicide bombers slaughter thirty patrons at a market.

2015.09.02 (Sanaa, Yemen) - Over two dozen worshippers at a mosque are sent straight to Allah by two suicide bombers.

2015.09.02 (Latakia, Pakistan) - Sunni extremists set off a car bomb in a town square that claims ten lives.

2015.09.02 (Amran, Yemen) - Two Red Cross workers are shot to death by militant Muslims.

2015.09.01 (Kolori, Nigeria) - Boko Haram ride into a town on horseback, shoot eighteen residents to death and steal their food.

2015.09.01 (Jamrud, Pakistan) - A Fedayeen suicide bomber kills at least six others.

Terrorist statistics for August, 2015 alone:

240 attacks in 22 countries resulting in 2297 deaths and 2246 critically injured.

Source: http://thereligionofpeace.com/

The OP point is Muslims feel all of this is justified in the name of Allah, and he has a valid point.

Now this? This is how you bring something up in "News and Current Events" there are links you can check out and compare to other things/stories. See the difference? :wave:
tulc(thanks Sistrin for showing how it's done!) :)
 
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If you had a point to make, you failed.

Really? Because I thought my point was fairly obvious. The post you made had content beyond "I talked to someone." You supplied links to actual stories and articles that could be discussed and counter articles brought up. That's what this fora is about. "News and Current Events". :wave:
tulc(hopes that helped) :)
 
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I was talking to an Arab that is here in our country on a student visa to get a college education. I am sure he is a peace loving person and seems to be a loving caring person. Yet I asked him about the bombing at an American Embassy. While he knew nothing about it I explained that there was a movie made in Hollywood that made Mohammad look bad. As a reaction to that movie they bombed the Embassy and people were killed. His reaction (in my opinion) was that Yes of course they were justified in attacking the embassy and killing because the honor of Mohammad needed to be defended.

I could understand if they targeted the director of the movie that they found to be offensive. But to attack innocent people simply because they were from the same country as the offender, that makes no sense to me. Although perhaps it accomplishes their objective because people in Hollywood will be afraid to make more movies like that.

In shame based cultures like Islam their viewpoint of right and wrong isn't the same as us in the west. IE on the spectrum of guilt and innocence. It is on the spectrum of honor and shame. Which is dishonorable and what is shameful is different than what makes you guilty and what makes you innocent. A child who lies to his father's face that he is going to mow the lawn and doesn't do it is perfectly acceptable, because he did not dishonor his father by defying his authority. Honor and shame are literally life or death ways of thinking. It is pretty complicated, and I do not fully understand it personally. I probably gave a poor explanation...lol will get back to you on it later.
 
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Really? Because I thought my point was fairly obvious. The post you made had content beyond "I talked to someone." You supplied links to actual stories and articles that could be discussed and counter articles brought up. That's what this fora is about. "News and Current Events".

Ok, I see your point now. Apologies for the miss.
 
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Cool story. I also once talked to a guy who offered an opinion also. :wave:
tulc(is pretty sure a few of us have) :)

I think we all have...however, some opinions are more concerning than others, obviously.
And some opinions are more sweeping & common than some would like to admit.

The story we're told to embrace is one where there's a radical 1% of Muslims who hold the deeply troubling views, and the other 99% are peace-loving moderates who just want to assimilate into the culture like everyone else. Anyone who dare to challenge that view is accused of the dreaded "Islamaphobia". (Even people who are on the far left like Bill Maher and Sam Harris are beginning to address this, and getting ostracized by their fellow progressives as a result..)

However, poll results from Muslims in Western societies would indicate otherwise:
http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/291
In a Muslim poll from the UK -
78% of Muslims thought that the publishers of the Danish cartoons of the Prophet Muhammed should be prosecuted,
68% thought those who insulted Islam should be prosecuted,
62% of people disagree that freedom of speech should be allowed even if it insults and offends religious groups.
17% of people thought that programmes that might offend religious sensibilities should not be shown.
9% of respondents said it was acceptable for religious or political groups to use violence.

So while that 1% might be true for Muslims who would actually commit an act of violence, that doesn't automatically default the other 99% into the "moderate" category. There's a lot of middle ground between truly being a moderate, and being willing to take a life for your religion.

These poll results show, that while the majority of Muslims have no intention of bringing anyone any physical harm, a large percentage hold views about society that are still very troubling and extend past the boundaries of what any of us would consider "moderate". For example...if you think a person should be prosecuted for drawing a cartoon of a religious figure, you're not a moderate.

here's the debate I was making reference to...
(notice the booing from the audience and the anger from Ben when Sam begins covering these poll results)
 
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I was talking to an Arab that is here in our country on a student visa to get a college education. I am sure he is a peace loving person and seems to be a loving caring person. Yet I asked him about the bombing at an American Embassy. While he knew nothing about it

I explained that there was a movie made in Hollywood that made Mohammad look bad. As a reaction to that movie they bombed the Embassy and people were killed. His reaction (in my opinion) was that Yes of course they were justified in attacking the embassy and killing because the honor of Mohammad needed to be defended.

I could understand if they targeted the director of the movie that they found to be offensive. But to attack innocent people simply because they were from the same country as the offender, that makes no sense to me. Although perhaps it accomplishes their objective because people in Hollywood will be afraid to make more movies like that.
What movie was that?

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