Gay couple with no sex.

Marius27 · Sep 2, 2015

Mikhael Disciple of Christ said:
Gay Christian 101. Seems like a good, unbiased source.

Here's a Catholic reading of Romans 1

1:25-28 “[T]hey exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen. For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. Their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural, and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another. Men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in their own persons the due penalty for their error. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a base mind and to improper conduct.” These verses are for all those “Christians” out there who think homosexual behavior is not sinful or immoral. There is no mention whatsoever of pederasty or rape here, so there is no way to claim that homosexual behavior is not what’s being condemned here. And it seems that STDs were around in ancient times too, for what else could Paul be referring to with “receiving in their own persons the due penalty for their error”?

https://conservativecolloquium.wordpress.com/2010/10/12/a-catholic-reading-of-the-book-of-romans/

Do you reject the views of Saint Augustine?

"But if one has relations even with one's wife in a part of the body which was not made for begetting children, such relations are against nature and indecent. In fact, the same apostle earlier said the same thing about women, "For their women exchanged natural relations for those which are against nature." quoting Romans 1:26 (Marriage and Desire, 20.35)"

WarriorAngel · Sep 2, 2015

RaylightI said:
What is the Catholic Church view of a gay couple living together, loving each other, but abstaining from sex ?

It could be scandalous if they tell ppl they are gay.
If they live as friends and room mates - without reporting their own preferences...it wouldnt matter too much.
Its another story if they marry.

WarriorAngel · Sep 2, 2015

Marius27 said:
But gays are torturing themselves without having anyone, so how is that any better?

Im curious - how is it [and i was surprised to hear this] i know of a man who lived with his bf for years - years.
Then he woke one day and decided he was no longer gay.
Now he is hetero.

How is it - that can happen?
Did he stop allowing the perverse ideas that came to him?
Did he learn to filter it out?

Did he understand the judgment between good or bad?

I mean - ppl say this isnt possible - but it is.

Its when we resist the possibilities we dont allow it to happen.

BUT - that aside - everyone on earth suffers trials. We just each have our own.
Pray and pray and then pray some more for the grace to lift you above the suffering.

eastcoast_bsc · Sep 2, 2015

Marius27 said:
But gays are torturing themselves without having anyone, so how is that any better?

24 Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me.25 For whoever wants to save their life[f] will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will find it.26 What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?27 For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father’s glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what they have done.

AHH who-stole-my-name · Sep 2, 2015

WarriorAngel said:
Im curious - how is it [and i was surprised to hear this] i know of a man who lived with his bf for years - years.
Then he woke one day and decided he was no longer gay.
Now he is hetero.

How is it - that can happen?
Did he stop allowing the perverse ideas that came to him?
Did he learn to filter it out?

Did he understand the judgment between good or bad?

I mean - ppl say this isnt possible - but it is.

Its when we resist the possibilities we dont allow it to happen.

BUT - that aside - everyone on earth suffers trials. We just each have our own.
Pray and pray and then pray some more for the grace to lift you above the suffering.

You would be surprised at just how many areas of sensation that arouses people in a sexually stimulating fashion. I have made a few inroads on just this subject. Not personally, but I've sat down and talked to many people who I've met through acquaintances of mine in order to find out everything I can about this thing called sexuality. There are places in peoples minds that are far darker than anything anyone here could imagine and I've pretty much heard it all.

There is no one size fits all configuration and no one that I've discussed this with feels the same or has the same feelings as anyone else. This idea that anyone can categorize people by that which they are primarily attracted to is to missed the overwhelmingly huge picture.

People have walked away from something one day that the day before they would have died for. This person you talk about had probably been contemplating this move for a while. He just wasn't ready to make the leap. The main thing that keeps people doing what sexually arouses them is the sexual arousal. It's the jolt of ecstasy that comes from doing what they do.

If that feeling fades or they simply the relationship sours people move on or simply give up that life because they are tired of the types of partners and groups they've had in the past. Some times it is trial and error and things simply don't pan out.

I know some of your are probably looking at me differently but I can not not be myself.

I am no better than those people who I've talked to. I've never dabbled in any of deviant side of sex, but I've abused my body through drugs and alcohol so many times that I wake up and thank God every day that I'm around. I know someone was looking out after me and I know there is someone looking after everyone of us.

Some f the people I've sat down with do some really out there stuff but they are just as human as you and I. Some of them really look at the world around them and you can see it in their eyes that they are sick and tired of being sick and tired.

They don't need an accusing finger and I'm not going to give them one, but There is a feeling there of being overwelmed by the condemnation and that has given several who I know the feeling that they must rebel because they have been called rebels for so long they might as well act like it. There is a prisoner mentality that runs deep and many who I think would walk away if they thought there was a place for them to go.

Much of these peoples families have crossed them out of existance and I don't think that's Gods plans. He wouldn't have said "Lov" so many times and for too many situations if he had meant for these people to be forgotten and ignored.

eastcoast_bsc · Sep 2, 2015

WarriorAngel said:
Im curious - how is it [and i was surprised to hear this] i know of a man who lived with his bf for years - years.
Then he woke one day and decided he was no longer gay.
Now he is hetero.

How is it - that can happen?
Did he stop allowing the perverse ideas that came to him?
Did he learn to filter it out?

Did he understand the judgment between good or bad?

I mean - ppl say this isnt possible - but it is.

Its when we resist the possibilities we dont allow it to happen.

BUT - that aside - everyone on earth suffers trials. We just each have our own.
Pray and pray and then pray some more for the grace to lift you above the suffering.

Just giving my opinion based on my experiences. The reality seldom meets what we are told. I strongly doubt that anyone's who is or was Gay , wakes up and they are str8.

The Gay life for Men is very very hedonistic. If you live in the life ou often need a calculator to count your sex partners. It is the nature of the beast.

Those that do marry more often than not play on the side or bring a 3rd in.
If one is plugged into contemprary Gay writings or read Gay centric pieces understand that the heterosexual marriage construct is not the same for Gay men. Wel known Gay author Dan Savage has coined the oft used phrase "monogamish" meaning that one is not monogamous in the sense of one partner through fidelity. He has admitted that he and his husband have done 3 somes and play on the side.

AHH who-stole-my-name · Sep 3, 2015

eastcoast_bsc said:
Just giving my opinion based on my experiences. The reality seldom meets what we are told. I strongly doubt that anyone's who is or was Gay , wakes up and they are str8.

The Gay life for Men is very very hedonistic. If you live in the life ou often need a calculator to count your sex partners. It is the nature of the beast.

Those that do marry more often than not play on the side or bring a 3rd in.
If one is plugged into contemprary Gay writings or read Gay centric pieces understand that the heterosexual marriage construct is not the same for Gay men. Wel known Gay author Dan Savage has coined the oft used phrase "monogamish" meaning that one is not monogamous in the sense of one partner through fidelity. He has admitted that he and his husband have done 3 somes and play on the side.

How many gay people have you actually talked to, face to face?

Michie · Sep 3, 2015

Eastcoast is gay.

AHH who-stole-my-name said:
How many gay people have you actually talked to, face to face?

pdudgeon · Sep 3, 2015

AHH who-stole-my-name said:
You would be surprised at just how many areas of sensation that arouses people in a sexually stimulating fashion. I have made a few inroads on just this subject. Not personally, but I've sat down and talked to many people who I've met through acquaintances of mine in order to find out everything I can about this thing called sexuality. There are places in peoples minds that are far darker than anything anyone here could imagine and I've pretty much heard it all.

There is no one size fits all configuration and no one that I've discussed this with feels the same or has the same feelings as anyone else. This idea that anyone can categorize people by that which they are primarily attracted to is to missed the overwhelmingly huge picture.

People have walked away from something one day that the day before they would have died for. This person you talk about had probably been contemplating this move for a while. He just wasn't ready to make the leap. The main thing that keeps people doing what sexually arouses them is the sexual arousal. It's the jolt of ecstasy that comes from doing what they do.

If that feeling fades or they simply the relationship sours people move on or simply give up that life because they are tired of the types of partners and groups they've had in the past. Some times it is trial and error and things simply don't pan out.

I know some of your are probably looking at me differently but I can not not be myself.

I am no better than those people who I've talked to. I've never dabbled in any of deviant side of sex, but I've abused my body through drugs and alcohol so many times that I wake up and thank God every day that I'm around. I know someone was looking out after me and I know there is someone looking after everyone of us.

Some f the people I've sat down with do some really out there stuff but they are just as human as you and I. Some of them really look at the world around them and you can see it in their eyes that they are sick and tired of being sick and tired.

They don't need an accusing finger and I'm not going to give them one, but There is a feeling there of being overwelmed by the condemnation and that has given several who I know the feeling that they must rebel because they have been called rebels for so long they might as well act like it. There is a prisoner mentality that runs deep and many who I think would walk away if they thought there was a place for them to go.

Much of these people's families have crossed them out of existance and I don't think that's Gods plans. He wouldn't have said "Lov" so many times and for too many situations if he had meant for these people to be forgotten and ignored.

just remember that it is to satan's advantage to keep them thinking that they are 'locked up and ignored'.

Listening to that line of reasoning is no different than imbibing on what turns them on.
be it drugs, sex, illegal activities, or acting out against society as a whole, there is a satisfaction gained in all those activities.

when the satisfaction stops being the pay off, then the rejection factor kicks in and they change identifyers;
They choose instead to glorify and self-identify with the pain, hatred, defiance, and rejection brought about by the prison that they find themselves in.
These are the ones who obnoxiously parade, jeer, and otherwise trample what is holy.

there is only one way out and that is Christ, who holds the keys to unlock both their lives and their prisons and to set them free at last.

benedictaoo · Sep 3, 2015

Michie said:
My step sister worked at a strip club and tried to get me in on it when I moved from Texas. All I can say is all those tips ain't from dancing.

Again, how I know so many people from so many walks of life... from nuns to strip club employees. lol. But this is sad but true. They are addicted to heroin or crack and that's why they "strip".

Michie · Sep 3, 2015

Not all but it is not a clean business to say the least. My stepsister would tell me some of it until I got to the point I did not want to hear it anymore. It was creepy.

benedictaoo said:
Again, how I know so many people from so many walks of life... from nuns to strip club employees. lol. But this is sad but true. They are addicted to heroin or crack and that's why they "strip".

Marius27 · Sep 3, 2015

1 Corinthians 7
Stop depriving one another, except by agreement for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer, and come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. 6But this I say by way of concession, not of command. 7Yet I wish that all men were even as I myself am. However, each man has his own gift from God, one in this manner, and another in that.

8But I say to the unmarried and to widows that it is good for them if they remain even as I. 9But if they do not have self-control, let them marry; for it is better to marry than to burn with passion.

For gays who do not have the gift of celibacy as Paul does, and lack self-control. What is the solution to avoid burning with passion?

benedictaoo · Sep 3, 2015

AHH who-stole-my-name said:
Those who are gay, have a limited option when they are looking to be placed in the book of life and that is to not be in a relasionship that would bring disfavor in the eyes of the lord. I would seek out guidance from qualified persons but much more I would prey morning, noon and night for divine guidance, not that which would be pleasing to you, but that which would bring you closer to your goals as a Christian.

Remeber these words and carve them into your soul. Breath them, eat them and let their meaning be clear. You can only serve one master and a house that is divided can not stand.

That's pretty much it and we have to be compassionate because of the cross they bare. They are asked a lot of the Lord and we can only be compassionate towards them. Not judgmental or condemning.

Marius27 · Sep 3, 2015

eastcoast_bsc said:
Just giving my opinion based on my experiences. The reality seldom meets what we are told. I strongly doubt that anyone's who is or was Gay , wakes up and they are str8.

The Gay life for Men is very very hedonistic. If you live in the life ou often need a calculator to count your sex partners. It is the nature of the beast.

That's pretty stereotypical. While some do, that has more to do with them being men than being gay. I know gay couples who have been together for 20+ years and almost never have sexual relations. I know straight people who have cheated on their wives dozens of times. In fact, evidence indicates gays have less average partners than straights. And lesbians have less partners and diseases than both gay men and straights, and they too are homosexual, meaning homosexuality isn't the cause of hedonism.

Wel known Gay author Dan Savage has coined the oft used phrase "monogamish" meaning that one is not monogamous in the sense of one partner through fidelity. He has admitted that he and his husband have done 3 somes and play on the side.

And I know lots of straights who have done 3somes and 4somes.

benedictaoo · Sep 3, 2015

Marius27 said:
1 Corinthians 7
Stop depriving one another, except by agreement for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer, and come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. 6But this I say by way of concession, not of command. 7Yet I wish that all men were even as I myself am. However, each man has his own gift from God, one in this manner, and another in that.

8But I say to the unmarried and to widows that it is good for them if they remain even as I. 9But if they do not have self-control, let them marry; for it is better to marry than to burn with passion.

For gays who do not have the gift of celibacy as Paul does, and lack self-control. What is the solution to avoid burning with passion?

Gays are called to celibacy, they do have this gift. That's the whole point of this discussion. They should accept it as a gift and we should pray for them because accepting it as a gift is not easy.

Marius27 · Sep 3, 2015

benedictaoo said:
Gays are called to celibacy, they do have this gift. That's the whole point of this discussion. They should accept it as a gift and we should pray for them because accepting it as a gift is not easy.

I can assure you, most gays do not have the gift of celibacy. Your beliefs dictate they are required to be celibate. That doesn't mean they can be. That leads to a state of involuntary celibacy which is brutally painful and usually leads to depression and suicide. It's a horrible burden put on a gays for no logical reason, and a big reason I have a huge issue with the entire Christian viewpoint on the matter. Obviously the Catholic Church believes gays are required to suffer enormously (for what reason I have no clue), but lots of beliefs make no sense.

benedictaoo · Sep 3, 2015

Marius27 said:
That's pretty stereotypical. While some do, that has more to do with them being men than being gay. I know gay couples who have been together for 20+ years and almost never have sexual relations. I know straight people who have cheated on their wives dozens of times. In fact, evidence indicates gays have less average partners than straights. And lesbians have less partners and diseases than both gay men and straights, and they too are homosexual, meaning homosexuality isn't the cause of hedonism.

And I know lots of straights who have done 3somes and 4somes.

Because a man is a man is a man whether he be straight or gay. Gay men tend to be more this way simply because women usually aren't as open to it. Two gay men as willing because it's the nature of a man to be this way. Straight men are this way because it's harder to find women who are open to it. But now says, women are becoming this way. Sad world we live in now.

benedictaoo · Sep 3, 2015

Marius27 said:
I can assure you, most gays do not have the gift of celibacy. Your beliefs dictate they are required to be celibate. That doesn't mean they can be. That leads to a state of involuntary celibacy which is brutally painful and usually leads to depression and suicide. It's a horrible burden put on a gays for no logical reason, and a big reason I have a huge issue with the entire Christian viewpoint on the matter.

Alone with out God, I agree but if they turn to God, He will help them. Give them the grace they need to get through it.

Marius27 · Sep 3, 2015

benedictaoo said:
Alone with out God, I agree but if they turn to God, He will help them. Give them the grace they need to get through it.

I think you're assuming way too much. Perhaps you should get to know more gay Christians who struggle and have prayed and prayed for God's help, yet it's still unbearable.

benedictaoo · Sep 3, 2015

Michie said:
I think the whole Jonathan and David, Naomi and Ruth theory is ridiculous really. People look at things with such an overly sexualized view anymore it is hard for them to comprehend a different time and culture. There are some pretty blatant statements in the Bible concerning homosexuality, marriage, etc. You'd think if there were exceptions to homosexuality we would had known that. I think the theory is based on wishful thinking.

Yeah, I know. I wasn't even giving that one the time of day.

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