Urghhh, Why Can't Jesus Save Everybody!!

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I have had so much trouble with this question. I want it to be true soo bad! There are plenty of testimonies out there of people actually speaking to God, seeing hell, hearts turned. Why can't he do that with everyone! I know some of you will say, so you think Hitler should be sent to heaven? In the bible it says if you've missed one law you've missed them all! James 2:10. So yes I'm equal to Hitler in Gods eyes. It also says "But if you do not forgive, neither will your Father who is in heaven forgive your transgressions." Jesus blood was to take the sins of the whole world, I believe his blood is easily enough to save the whole world. Such a harsh punishment demands a verdict. To be honest if he doesn't make it crystal clear for me I would rather not have a free will at all then to go to hell.
 

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Urghhh, Why Can't Jesus Save Everybody!!

it is written that Jesus will not turn away ANY who come to Him. Jesus Himself said this.

Did He lie? Do you believe Him?

Thank you kindly.
 
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I have had so much trouble with this question. I want it to be true soo bad! There are plenty of testimonies out there of people actually speaking to God, seeing hell, hearts turned. Why can't he do that with everyone! I know some of you will say, so you think Hitler should be sent to heaven? In the bible it says if you've missed one law you've missed them all! James 2:10. So yes I'm equal to Hitler in Gods eyes. It also says "But if you do not forgive, neither will your Father who is in heaven forgive your transgressions." Jesus blood was to take the sins of the whole world, I believe his blood is easily enough to save the whole world. Such a harsh punishment demands a verdict. To be honest if he doesn't make it crystal clear for me I would rather not have a free will at all then to go to hell.
I know how you feel. One explanation is that we do NOT have free will. We are chosen to receive Grace unto Salvation and it's all in God's hands. Contrary to those who think this is a depressing POV, it could be a liberating one.
 
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I have had so much trouble with this question. I want it to be true soo bad! There are plenty of testimonies out there of people actually speaking to God, seeing hell, hearts turned. Why can't he do that with everyone! I know some of you will say, so you think Hitler should be sent to heaven? In the bible it says if you've missed one law you've missed them all! James 2:10. So yes I'm equal to Hitler in Gods eyes. It also says "But if you do not forgive, neither will your Father who is in heaven forgive your transgressions." Jesus blood was to take the sins of the whole world, I believe his blood is easily enough to save the whole world. Such a harsh punishment demands a verdict. To be honest if he doesn't make it crystal clear for me I would rather not have a free will at all then to go to hell.


But not all people want to be with God and live as God wants (love others as themselves). It could be cruel to force them to be with God eternally. And it would be cruel to let them live endlessly in godless way that we can see partially also in this world already in wars, lies etc.
 
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But not all people want to be with God and live as God wants (love others as themselves). It could be cruel to force them to be with God eternally.

Some theologians have answered the OP's question that way. The Hitlers will, if this is the case, go to be with people like themselves because they want to be like they were in life and would be uncomfortable or unhappy with the good people. This means that God does not send anyone to either place; they send themselves.
 
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So yes I'm equal to Hitler in Gods eyes.

It's not that simple....

How would you have done if you had been an extremely frustrated artist like Van Gogh, living in homeless shelters, skipping meals, considered failure/loser by the society, saw your country defeated by nations strongly influenced by Jews, having your economy wrecked by Jewish usury which is un-Godly and then got some good break in the army, got some friends and finally a strong movement behind you..

Which is why we should not judge people unless you know everything.

Had Hitler been born recently in a nice suburban family in USA, actually got to college as an architect, built a nice career, had wife and kids....... Do you think he would have organized a terror group of some sort and went on to kill 6 million Jews??

Or let's put it this way, what if one of us lived the life of Hitler? Could we have done even worse??


Only Christ knows.

Could Hitler have gone to Hell?? Even I do not know the answer.
 
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I have had so much trouble with this question. I want it to be true soo bad! There are plenty of testimonies out there of people actually speaking to God, seeing hell, hearts turned. Why can't he do that with everyone! I know some of you will say, so you think Hitler should be sent to heaven? In the bible it says if you've missed one law you've missed them all! James 2:10. So yes I'm equal to Hitler in Gods eyes. It also says "But if you do not forgive, neither will your Father who is in heaven forgive your transgressions." Jesus blood was to take the sins of the whole world, I believe his blood is easily enough to save the whole world. Such a harsh punishment demands a verdict. To be honest if he doesn't make it crystal clear for me I would rather not have a free will at all then to go to hell.


He will make all alive, each in his own order.... at least thats what Paul wrote
 
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But not all people want to be with God and live as God wants (love others as themselves). It could be cruel to force them to be with God eternally. And it would be cruel to let them live endlessly in godless way that we can see partially also in this world already in wars, lies etc.

Who? Do you actually know someone who really wouldnt want to be with God who is love? Where are all these imaginary people who would writhe in painful torture to be in the arms of the loving father....?
 
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Who? Do you actually know someone who really wouldnt want to be with God who is love? Where are all these imaginary people who would writhe in painful torture to be in the arms of the loving father....?

Actually many atheists have said that they rather be without God. Many people seem to hate God, on basis of what they say. They can be found from several debate sites.

They don’t think God loves and they don’t agree with God’s will, which I think proves that they want godless and unloving things.
 
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Actually many atheists have said that they rather be without God. Many people seem to hate God, on basis of what they say. They can be found from several debate sites.

They don’t think God loves and they don’t agree with God’s will, which I think proves that they want godless and unloving things.
In such instances, it's difficult to determine whether it's God
Himself who is being rejected, or the God-concepts with
which those seeming to reject Him were presented by other
people. Only God Himself can look into their hearts and
make that determination.




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What makes you think that Jesus cannot save everybody? If all will repent, if all will believe, and if all will receive Him as Lord and Savior, ALL WILL BE SAVED. GUARANTEED BY GOD HIMSELF. I am deliberately not providing the Scripture references, since you should personally study this and find those Scriptures. "WHOSOEVER MEANS WHOSOEVER". There's you clue.
 
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I have had so much trouble with this question. I want it to be true soo bad! There are plenty of testimonies out there of people actually speaking to God, seeing hell, hearts turned. Why can't he do that with everyone! I know some of you will say, so you think Hitler should be sent to heaven? In the bible it says if you've missed one law you've missed them all! James 2:10. So yes I'm equal to Hitler in Gods eyes. It also says "But if you do not forgive, neither will your Father who is in heaven forgive your transgressions." Jesus blood was to take the sins of the whole world, I believe his blood is easily enough to save the whole world. Such a harsh punishment demands a verdict. To be honest if he doesn't make it crystal clear for me I would rather not have a free will at all then to go to hell.

He can save everyone, it's just not everyone will let Him save them.
 
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I have had so much trouble with this question. I want it to be true soo bad! There are plenty of testimonies out there of people actually speaking to God, seeing hell, hearts turned. Why can't he do that with everyone! I know some of you will say, so you think Hitler should be sent to heaven? In the bible it says if you've missed one law you've missed them all! James 2:10. So yes I'm equal to Hitler in Gods eyes. It also says "But if you do not forgive, neither will your Father who is in heaven forgive your transgressions." Jesus blood was to take the sins of the whole world, I believe his blood is easily enough to save the whole world. Such a harsh punishment demands a verdict. To be honest if he doesn't make it crystal clear for me I would rather not have a free will at all then to go to hell.

Don't worry. The Lord is in control.

Jesus Himself said "Jhn 12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world

Did Jesus Fail??? Can someone show me where it is written that Jesus failed and will not save the world?

He says in the next verse that they shall be judged at the Judgement Day. On Judgement Day BOOKS will be opened.

We see that happen here:
Rev 20:12
And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

So, who knows what all these books are. One must be the Book of life, the text says so. It seems to me their works are weighed against the book of life. I don't know for sure.

But I do know one thing: Jesus did not die on the Cross of Calvary a failure. He DID save the world. And somehow or other those who do not swear alliegiance and worship (love) Satan will come to Jesus.

He wins. Always.
 
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Don't worry. The Lord is in control.

Jesus Himself said "Jhn 12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world

Did Jesus Fail??? Can someone show me where it is written that Jesus failed and will not save the world?

He says in the next verse that they shall be judged at the Judgement Day. On Judgement Day BOOKS will be opened.

We see that happen here:
Rev 20:12
And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

So, who knows what all these books are. One must be the Book of life, the text says so. It seems to me their works are weighed against the book of life. I don't know for sure.

But I do know one thing: Jesus did not die on the Cross of Calvary a failure. He DID save the world. And somehow or other those who do not swear alliegiance and worship (love) Satan will come to Jesus.

He wins. Always.

Are you advocating universalism??
 
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Are you advocating universalism??

No I am not. I did note that some would worship Satan. But would it bother u if every one WERE saved, even the wicked? And why? Did Christ not say He came to save the world. Am I wrong to say that?
 
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No I am not. I did note that some would worship Satan. But would it bother u if every one WERE saved, even the wicked? And why? Did Christ not say He came to save the world. Am I wrong to say that?

What is wrong is plucking a verse out of its context to make it say something it doesn't. Surprisingly John 12:47 follows John 12:46. And John 12:48 comes right after John 12:47:

"I have come into the world as a light, so that no one who believes in me should stay in darkness. If anyone hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge that person. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save the world. There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; the very words I have spoken will condemn them at the last day."

Place that verse you plucked out back in its context and its meaning is clearly seen as other than what you would have others believe.
 
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What is wrong is plucking a verse out of its context to make it say something it doesn't. Surprisingly John 12:47 follows John 12:46. And John 12:48 comes right after John 12:47:

"I have come into the world as a light, so that no one who believes in me should stay in darkness. If anyone hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge that person. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save the world. There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; the very words I have spoken will condemn them at the last day."

Place that verse you plucked out back in its context and its meaning is clearly seen as other than what you would have others believe.

If you will really READ my post you will see i mention the one who is coming to judge right after John 12:46. And I talke about the judgement.
So don't get smarty pants with me, son. I wasn't 'plucking' anything.
I was only trying to help someone who seemed to be struggling with this but maybe that was just a put on. hum? Are you guys fishing for 'Universalists' or something? LOL Sorry you won't find one here.

And still you cannot deal with His words: I did not come to judge the world but to save the world. (at this time; or until Judgement Day, as I pointed out in my OP)
 
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If you will really READ my post you will see i mention the one who is coming to judge right after John 12:46. And I talke about the judgement.
So don't get smarty pants with me, son. I wasn't 'plucking' anything.
I was only trying to help someone who seemed to be struggling with this but maybe that was just a put on. hum? Are you guys fishing for 'Universalists' or something? LOL Sorry you won't find one here.

And still you cannot deal with His words: I did not come to judge the world but to save the world. (at this time; or until Judgement Day, as I pointed out in my OP)

I'm not your son.
 
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