Why do people believe in a Rapture?

Riberra said:

Are you saying that you cannot make the difference between the belief in a doctrine -the pre-trib rapture doctrine invented by men- and the Belief in Jesus Christ?

Answer that question:
Who gone to Save you ?

1-The belief in Jesus Christ
or
2-The belief in the pre-tribulation rapture?

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The truth is, Jesus is COMING to save us from the "sudden destruction" that all who are "left behind" cannot and will not escape.

Wasn't it Luke who said we should pray to be found worthy to "escape?" Could it possibly be that the "sudden destruction" is one of the things Luke had in mind that we can escape?

BABerean2 said:

Really...

Eph 5:32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church. ("mystery"= the church)

Rev 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.



Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.




Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

It has always been there in plain sight.
However, some must ignore it, because it destroys their doctrine.

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This is a pathetic attempt to make scripture say what it really does not say. TRUTH? There is no rapture at the 7th Trumpet. There is no "coming" at the 7th Trumpet. The above post is just imagination running wild.

JohnRabbit said:

it doesn't!

it's just a man made doctrine that has NO validity in the scriptures!

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READERS RUN from the above post! It is denying the TRUTH of scripture. Oh, in a small way it is man made, because Paul was a man. But Paul got this doctrine of the rapture or catching away of the church from the HOLY SPIRIT.

The TRUTH then, is this post is calling the Holy Spirit a liar and the scriptures not true. Good luck with that!

Riberra said:

That is not the belief in the pre-tribulation rapture who will save the believers .But the belief in Jesus Christ !
If you have placed all your faith in the pre-tribulation rapture, as your post seem to point out ,you have been wholly deceived and seduced.


2 Corinthians 11:3King James Version (KJV)

3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

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This is NOT an "either or" situation! We CERTAINLY believe in the blood of Jesus Christ removing our sins from us as far as East is from the West. We certainly believe in being BORN AGAIN by the Spirit of God.

These beliefs are certainly the TRUTH of scripture, but in no way take away other truths from God's word.
The bible certainly teaches these truths, but also teaches a pretrib rapture. So we don't chose between: we acknowledge that BOTH ARE TRUE. Some trolls here deny one or the other of these truths.

Riberra said:

-The 6 th seal events will start the beginning of the Tribulation.
-The killing of the two witnesses by the Beast will mark the middle of the Tribulation and the beginning of the 3 1/2 years of the reign of the Beast.
-God will execute His wrath by pouring out the 7 vials.

-The Day of the Lord /Jesus Second Coming happen at the 7 Th vial and will include the battle of Armageddon.

Do you really believe that Revelation 19:13 is not related to the same event ie - Jesus returning in Glory for the Armageddon's battle?-The battle of that great day of God Almighty mentioned in Revelation 16:14.-

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For once, I can agree with something you write: The 6th seal shows us the beginning of the Day of the Lord and God's wrath poured out.

You are mistaken about the Two Witnesses: They BEGIN their ministry just 3 1/2 days before the exact midpoint, and testify until almost the END of the last half of the week.

You are mistaken about "the day of the Lord" being Jesus' second coming. Go back and read it again: John said the "Day of His wrath" was to begin way back in Rev. 6. You seem to find the need to REARRANGE Revelation to fit twisted doctrine. Why not form your doctrine from what is written? You would find it makes far more sense than what you write.

OF COURSE Rev. 16:14 is related to His coming and the battle of Armegeddon. Rev. 16 is the sending forth of the spirits of darkness to call in the kings of the world so they will all be there in Israel when Jesus returns.

BABerean2 said:

Gal 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

Gal 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

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Heb 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

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Sorry, but it is YOU who are preaching / teaching "another gospel."

God back and read it again; perhaps you will understand it some day: Daniel 9:24

Riberra said:

That is right that Jesus was naked on the cross... but his clothe was slapshed in blood caused by the crown of thorns... so saying that Revelation 19:13 not a reminder of the event of Jesus' crucifixion is incorrect...
Mark 15:
7 And they clothed him with purple, and platted a crown of thorns, and put it about his head,
18 And began to salute him, Hail, King of the Jews!
19 And they smote him on the head with a reed, and did spit upon him, and bowing their knees worshipped him.
20 And when they had mocked him, they took off the purple from him, and put his own clothes on him, and led him out to crucify him. QUOTE]

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Riberra, I had thought you were one who had a better understanding of scripture. [and a better grasp of spelling and grammar!]
John 19:23-24 tells how the soldiers cast lots for His clothes. So they had possession of His garments, therefore Jesus went to heaven in other clothes. Acts of the Apostles 1:3-11
But all your desperate attempts to place the wrath of God at the Return, fall flat when Isaiah 63:1-6 is read. Verse 3 clearly states it is the blood of the nations that splashes His clothing. It is the multi prophesied Day of the Lord's vengeance and wrath against the nations, first referred to in Deuteronomy 32:22 & 34-43 and will be the fulfilment of Psalms 83, resulting in the virtual depopulation of all the Holy Land. [from the Nile to the Euphrates] Ezekiel 30:2-5, Jeremiah 10:18
Isaiah 30:26 is the prophecy that tells us exactly what the Lord will use on His Day of wrath; a sunstrike that will literally fulfil all the vivid prophesies about that Day. But it is the Day we should look forward to, as will be the Day He restores His people.

iamlamad said:

Sorry, but it is YOU who are preaching / teaching "another gospel."

God back and read it again; perhaps you will understand it some day: Daniel 9:24

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Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

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The following comes from the 1599 Geneva Bible, which is the Bible the Pilgrims brought to America.

Daniel 9:24


Seventy (p) weeks are determined upon (q) thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the (r) transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

(p) He alludes to Jeremiah's prophecy, who prophesied that their captivity would be seventy years: but now God's mercy would exceed his judgment seven times as much, which would be 490 years, even until the coming of Christ, and so then it would continue forever.

(q) Meaning Daniel's nation, over whom he was careful.

(r) To show mercy and to put sin out of remembrance.


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Daniel 9:25


Know therefore and understand, [that] from (s) the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince [shall be] seven (t) weeks, and (u) threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.


(s) That is, from the time that Cyrus gave them permission to depart.


(t) These weeks make forty-nine years, of which forty-six are referred to the time of the building of the temple, and three to the laying of the foundation.


(u) Counting from the sixth year of Darius, who gave the second commandment for the building of the temple are sixty-two weeks, which make 434 years, which comprehend the time from the building of the temple until the baptism of Christ.
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Daniel 9:26


And after threescore and two (x) weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but (y) not for himself: and the people of the (z) prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof [shall be] with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

(x) In this week of the seventy, will Christ come and preach and suffer death.

(y) He will seem to have no beauty, nor to be of any estimation; (Isa_53:2).

(z) Meaning Titus, Vespasians's son, who would come and destroy both the temple, and the people, without any hope of recovery.

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Daniel 9:27


And he (a) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to (b) cease, (c) and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

(a) By the preaching of the Gospel he affirmed his promise, first to the Jews, and after to the Gentiles.

(b) Christ accomplished this by his death and resurrection.

(c) Meaning that Jerusalem and the sanctuary would be utterly destroyed because of their rebellion against God, and their idolatry: or as some read, that the plague will be so great, that they will all be astonished at them.

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iamlamad said:

READERS RUN from the above post! It is denying the TRUTH of scripture. Oh, in a small way it is man made, because Paul was a man. But Paul got this doctrine of the rapture or catching away of the church from the HOLY SPIRIT.

The TRUTH then, is this post is calling the Holy Spirit a liar and the scriptures not true. Good luck with that!

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ok, i get it. i'm the "bad guy"!

given that, can you tell me where i can find the word "rapture" in the bible?

and can you tell me the purpose of the rapture?

BABerean2 said:

Daniel 9:26

And after threescore and two (x) weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but (y) not for himself: and the people of the (z) prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof [shall be] with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

(x) In this week of the seventy, will Christ come and preach and suffer death.

(y) He will seem to have no beauty, nor to be of any estimation; (Isa_53:2).

(z) Meaning Titus, Vespasians's son, who would come and destroy both the temple, and the people, without any hope of recovery.

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Here's a gap you clearly can't see or willfully keep denying shown in Daniel 9:26.

And after threescore and two (x) weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but (y) not for himself:

This means Christ die at the 69th week. This happened around 32-33 AD.

and the people of the (z) prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary;

This means the temple and Jerusalem will be destroy. This happened in 70 AD.

Do you understand what Gabriel just told us? He said there's a gap of 37-38 years in Daniel 9:26.

desolations are determined.

This means the temple will stay in ruins until the 70th week.

BABerean2 said:

Daniel 9:27

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BABerean2 said:

And he (a) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to (b) cease, (c) and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

(a) By the preaching of the Gospel he affirmed his promise, first to the Jews, and after to the Gentiles.

(b) Christ accomplished this by his death and resurrection.

(c) Meaning that Jerusalem and the sanctuary would be utterly destroyed because of their rebellion against God, and their idolatry: or as some read, that the plague will be so great, that they will all be astonished at them.

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And he (a) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week:

Gabriel tell us the final week will begin when a treaty is made with many after the temple stays in ruins for a period of time. Gabriel denied the final week would immediately followed the 69th week.

The temple has been in ruins for nearly 2000 years. It cannot be rebuilt unless Israel is once again a nation and the Jewish people are back in their land after being scattered since 70 AD.

There is an obvious gap between Daniel 9:26-9:27 for those who can interpret the scripture correctly.

If I agree to paint your house "after" 69 days, it will not be done until the 70th day or after.

Therefore if Christ was cut off "after" the 69th week, it would be during the 70th week.

If the verse had said "after" the 68th week it would not have indicated the correct time.

If the verse had said "after" the 70th week it would have been wrong, because He was cut off in the middle of the week.

It is really a simple problem in logic.

The 70 weeks are finished, just as the Old Covenant is also finished.

Some of us are in denial.

The Church of Jesus Christ is to continue to spread the Gospel until the day Jesus comes back.

We are to overcome, not to escape.


Joh_17:15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.

If the modern descendants of Jacob are going to be saved, it will be through the same Gospel that has been preached for almost 2,000 years now.


Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:


Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

We are to take the Gospel to the whole world.
That includes the modern nation of Israel.
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BABerean2 said:

Some have turned the pretrib. Rapture doctrine into a cult by claiming that anyone who does not hold their viewpoint is not a true Christian and will be "Left Behind", when Christ returns for His Church.


Based on thousands of pages of commentary and sermons, no American pastor taught a pretrib. removal at the time of the Revolutionary War. Therefore, based on the logic of some pretribbers, all of these men of God will be "Left Behind" in the ground.

I want to be "Left Behind" based on the following text from Matthew chapter 24.


Mat 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Mat 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

Mat 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Mat 24:40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

Mat 24:41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

An exegesis of the passage shows that the taken are like those taken in the flood. They are destroyed.

This passage is best understood as being like the parable of the wheat and tares.
The tares are gathered first and destroyed, while the wheat was left to be gathered into the barn.

Therefore, we have Christian homes and Churches which contain millions of dollars worth of books and movies, where they did not even get the title correct and then some of us a condemned for not believing this manmade fairy tale.

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I feel you,it's not that I want to be left behind,it's just that I know there will be no rapture....Scripture tells me to be prepared for the imposter....

What I want most and pray for,is that I can be found worthy enough for the below

Mark 13:11
"But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost [Spirit]."

True Christians don't run,we stand,and I can't wait to stand against that wicked one!!!!!

BABerean2 said:

If I agree to paint your house "after" 69 days, it will not be done until the 70th day or after.

Therefore if Christ was cut off "after" the 69th week, it would be during the 70th week.

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That's the problem with your thinking. If Christ died after the 69th week, how can the 70th week be completed without Him? Christ is the one who fulfills the 70th week. He's the anointed one and most holy.

Without Him, this prophesy cannot be finished.

Daniel 9:24 (NKJV) "Seventy weeks are determined For your people and for your holy city, To finish the transgression, To make an end of sins, To make reconciliation for iniquity, To bring in everlasting righteousness, To seal up vision and prophecy, And to anoint the Most Holy.

BABerean2 said:

If the verse had said "after" the 68th week it would not have indicated the correct time.

If the verse had said "after" the 70th week it would have been wrong, because He was cut off in the middle of the week.

It is really a simple problem in logic.

The 70 weeks are finished, just as the Old Covenant is also finished.

Some of us are in denial.

The Church of Jesus Christ is to continue to spread the Gospel until the day Jesus comes back.

We are to overcome, not to escape.

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You sound angry and just ranting all kinds of nonsense. Need another look, see the 37-38 year gap in Daniel 9:26?

And after threescore and two (x) weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but (y) not for himself:

This means Christ die at the 69th week. This happened around 32-33 AD.

and the people of the (z) prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary;

This means the temple and Jerusalem will be destroy. This happened in 70 AD.

Do you understand what Gabriel just told us? He said there's a gap of 37-38 years in Daniel 9:26.

BABerean2 said:

Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway,even unto the end of the world. Amen.

We are to take the Gospel to the whole world.
That includes the modern nation of Israel.

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Faith without works is dead.

James 2:17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

Go preach your gospel in Israel, not on Christian Forums.

n2thelight said:

it's just that I know there will be no rapture....Scripture tells me to be prepared for the imposter....

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How are you so sure there's no rapture? Where are those scriptures telling you to prepare?

n2thelight said:

What I want most and pray for,is that I can be found worthy enough for the below

Mark 13:11
"But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost [Spirit]."

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Do you not realize this is already happening in the middle east and other parts of the world? That is what this prophecy is about. It's part of the birth pang that's happening just before the tribulation. It's mostly about middle east Christians sharing their faith to muslims and some dying as martyrs.

One example here.
http://www.persecution.com/public/newsroom.aspx?story_ID==373735&featuredstory_ID==353130

The greatest conversion in history is happening right now as muslims turn to Christianity.
http://www.christiantoday.com/artic...ing.of.muslims.to.christ.in.history/56393.htm

If you have a desire to fulfill Mark 13:11, you better get to the middle east now.

Psalm3704 said:

How are you so sure there's no rapture? Where are those scriptures telling you to prepare?



Do you not realize this is already happening in the middle east and other parts of the world? That is what this prophecy is about. It's part of the birth pang that's happening just before the tribulation. It's mostly about middle east Christians sharing their faith to muslims and some dying as martyrs.

One example here.
http://www.persecution.com/public/newsroom.aspx?story_ID==373735&featuredstory_ID==353130

The greatest conversion in history is happening right now as muslims turn to Christianity.
http://www.christiantoday.com/artic...ing.of.muslims.to.christ.in.history/56393.htm

If you have a desire to fulfill Mark 13:11, you better get to the middle east now.

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Mark 13:11 is yet future,when the Holy Spirit speaks through us at that time it will be just like on the day of pentecost.....

When this time comes into being in the very near future, it will not be the elect of God that does the speaking, but the Holy Spirit speaking in and through the mouths of His elect. Every one of these individuals will be delivered before these false councils before the final day of this earth age. This is why Peter would say to the people in Acts 2, on Pentecost day; "This is that which was spoken of by Joel the Prophet."

Acts 2:16:
"But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;"
We can read this prophecy in Joel 2:28-32. These sons and daughters shall speak in a cloven tongue, as recorded in Acts 2:6; meaning that the language that they shall speak in will need no interpreter, for every one that hears will hear in their native tongue of the dialect of the neighborhood they grew up in. This is the way that the gospel will go forth in the last days, for it is the evidence of the presence of the Holy Spirit. These sons and daughters will speak, as stated in Mark 13:11, but whatsoever words they do speak in that hour, it will be the Holy Spirit that speaks through them.

Acts 2:17
"And it shall come to pass in the last days,' saith God, `I will pour out of My Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and you old men shall dream dreams:"

The birth pangs lead up to the Day of the Lord,not a rapture...

As for being sure there will be no rapture,simple,scripture dos'nt teach....

Christ comes here we go nowhere,unless we die before that time,and should that happen,we return with Christ

n2thelight said:

Mark 13:11 is yet future,when the Holy Spirit speaks through us at that time it will be just like on the day of pentecost.....

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n2,

You have a misunderstanding of what Mark 13:11 really means. Here I'll show you.


When they arrest you and you stand before a judge or before trial. They tell you to speak, what are you gonna say to them? Will they understand you when you speak in tongue?

What will you accomplish for God talking to them in language no one understand?

n2thelight said:

The birth pangs lead up to the Day of the Lord,not a rapture...

As for being sure there will be no rapture,simple,scripture dos'nt teach....

Christ comes here we go nowhere,unless we die before that time,and should that happen,we return with Christ

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Are you absolutely 100% certain there's no verses on a rapture? You do know this is a dangerous thinking right?

keras said:

Riberra, I had thought you were one who had a better understanding of scripture. [and a better grasp of spelling and grammar!]
John 19:23-24 tells how the soldiers cast lots for His clothes.
So they had possession of His garments...(snip)

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Remember that the point under discussion was to identify if Jesus' clothing was splashed with His blood during the event of the crucifixion...

The soldiers had possession of Jesus clothes yes ,but His clothing was splashed by His blood when they put the crown of thorn on His head and they smote him on the head with a reed,while Jesus have clothes on Him.
Mark 15:17-19
17 And they clothed him with purple, and platted a crown of thorns, and put it about his head,
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19 And they smote him on the head with a reed,

keras said:

..., therefore Jesus went to heaven in other clothes. Acts of the Apostles 1:3-11

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It does not matter in which clothes Jesus went to Heaven.
Revelation 19:11-16 is only there to identify clearly who sat on the white horse...there is no doubt this is Jesus returning on Earth.

keras said:

But all your desperate attempts to place the wrath of God at the Return, fall flat when Isaiah 63:1-6 is read. Verse 3 clearly states it is the blood of the nations that splashes His clothing.

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The key word in Isaiah 63:3 is the WINEPRESS it is related to the WINEPRESS of Revelation 19:15 not the 6th seal... So, Isaiah 63:1-6 is referring to the second coming ...
Isaiah 63:3
3 I have trodden the WINEPRESS alone; and of the peoples there was no man with me: yea, I trod them in mine anger, and trampled them in my wrath; and their lifeblood is sprinkled upon my garments, and I have stained all my raiment.

Revelation 19:15
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the WINEPRESS of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

@Psalm3704

I disagree,when tongues are spoken as in acts all will hear in their own language.
Mark 13:11
"But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost [Spirit]."

Acts 2:4 "And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance."

Acts 2:5 "And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven."

Acts 2:6 "Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language."

Mark 13:11 will be the next time true tongues are spoken,what people call tongues today is nothing but babble...

And yes Im 110% certain there will be no rapture,we shall go through the trib,that's what scripture plainly teach

Matthew 24:3 "And as He sat upon the mount of Olives the disciples came unto Him privately, saying, "Tell us, when shall these things be and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?"

Christ told us everything that will and must happen before His return ,nowhere in that chapter did He mention a rapture ,but He did say

Matthew 24:29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not have her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:"

Matthew 24:30 "And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory."
So tell me again,what part of after Im I missing?

n2thelight said:

@Psalm3704

I disagree,when tongues are spoken as in acts all will hear in their own language.
Mark 13:11
"But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost [Spirit]."

Acts 2:4 "And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance."

Acts 2:5 "And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven."

Acts 2:6 "Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language."

Mark 13:11 will be the next time true tongues are spoken,what people call tongues today is nothing but babble...

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Complete error but you believe what you want to believe.

n2thelight said:

And yes Im 110% certain there will be no rapture,we shall go through the trib,that's what scripture plainly teach

Matthew 24:3 "And as He sat upon the mount of Olives the disciples came unto Him privately, saying, "Tell us, when shall these things be and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?"

Christ told us everything that will and must happen before His return ,nowhere in that chapter did He mention a rapture ,but He did say

Matthew 24:29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not have her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:"

Matthew 24:30 "And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory."
So tell me again,what part of after Im I missing?

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That's your reason why you don't believe in a rapture, because you can't find it in Matthew 24?

n2,

Here's an article example of Mark 13:11 that came out 3 days ago.

Mark 13:11 (GNT) And when you are arrested and taken to court, do not worry ahead of time about what you are going to say; when the time comes, say whatever is then given to you. For the words you speak will not be yours; they will come from the Holy Spirit.

Iran: Christian Man Sentenced To 10 Years In Prison For Preaching The Gospel

https://midnightwatcher.wordpress.c...-10-years-in-prison-for-preaching-the-gospel/