Yes I did,and I explained that some rapturist teach that,if you're not one of them then the post was'nt directed at you.......
So now I wonder is that your way of avoiding the question,FYI,I don't troll.............
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Why do people believe in a Rapture?
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Yes I did,and I explained that some rapturist teach that,if you're not one of them then the post was'nt directed at you.......
So now I wonder is that your way of avoiding the question,FYI,I don't troll.............
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Maybe I have you confused with some one else,if so my apologies....
So when does the rapture happen?
So the verse you said you did'nt ignore,where Christ said His return was after the trib,how do you all escape before?
Maybe I have you confused with some one else,if so my apologies....
So when does the rapture happen?
So the verse you said you did'nt ignore,where Christ said His return was after the trib,how do you all escape before?
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Not avoiding anything. I got tons of information about bible prophecy in my head all I ever feel like is sharing what I know but I can't reveal anything to people that don't believe it. Makes me feel like I'm wasting my time while entertaining someone.
What kind of question is that? I'm not a date setter. But I'll tell you this, [B][COLOR=#ff0000]it ain't happening Sept this year as many think.[/COLOR][/B]
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So the verse you said you did'nt ignore,where Christ said His return was after the trib,how do you all escape before?[/QUOTE]
The rapture is NOT an escape. Christ is selecting those ready to help Him reign in the millennium and change this world when He puts all enemies below Him. The crowns represent power and authority as the first will be last and last will be first in the millennium.[/user]
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Don't want you to set a date,just tell me the signs that will and must take place before that time....Well I call it an escape be that as it may,how do you all get raptured before?
Don't want you to set a date,just tell me the signs that will and must take place before that time....Well I call it an escape be that as it may,how do you all get raptured before?
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I take up my cross everyday. Is this your reply too?
No I did not say that. You only think it because you read incorrectly.
No, only the a/c and the false prophet goes into the lake of fire during God's wrath. You need to do some serious studying.
And no again. That's not what eternal life is, you think it's just immortality but it's not.
Thus, unlike the synoptics, in the Gospel of John eternal life is not only futuristic, but also pertains to the present. In John, those who accept Christ can possess life "here and now" as well as in eternity, for they have "passed from death to life", as in John 5:24: "He who hears my word, and believes him that sent me, has eternal life, and comes not into judgment, but has passed out of death into life." In John, the purpose for the incarnation, death, resurrection and glorification of The Word was to provide eternal life to humanity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_life_(Christianity)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_life_(Christianity)
1 Timothy 6:12 (GNT) Run your best in the race of faith, and win eternal life for yourself; for it was to this life that God called you when you firmly professed your faith before many witnesses.
Eternal Life is something you strive for. It's not something you get by merely believing in Christ.
Matthew 19:29 NKJV
And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife or children or lands, for My name’s sake, shall receive a hundredfold, and inherit eternal life.
Eternal Life is something you strive for. It's not something you get by merely believing in Christ.And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife or children or lands, for My name’s sake, shall receive a hundredfold, and inherit eternal life.
Salvation is just a byproduct of eternal life. You have to earn eternal life first before you can receive salvation. If you're not living life now, you will not have life after you pass away. That's eternal life.
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You know that blood moon tetrad coming next month and many people think there'll be a rapture? It's not gonna happen.
All the tetrads in the past were all related to Israel and the Jewish people. Not one single tetrad was ever associated with the church. Next month's tetrad is for Israel and they don't get rapture. Of course you probably won't believe this because you think Israel and the church are the same.
Only if they're the same can you expect a rapture soon. Your call, is Israel the church? If no rapture happens this year, will you agree Israel and the church are not the same?
Signs? Geez dude, I can't tell you the signs as there's tons. Will take me hours to write them up. Just know this one, Israel will be at war and sign a peace treaty before the tribulation starts. Keep an eye on Israel, that's what the tetrad will be about, not a rapture.
They'll win. Jerusalem will be their capital and be recognized by everyone. They'll start building a temple.
Tetrad after WW2, Israel became a nation. Tetrad after 6 day war, Israel occupies Jerusalem.
After next Tetrad, Jerusalem will officially belong to Israel. Temple construction begins. Daniel 70th week is ready to resume as it was 2000 years ago when Israel owned Jerusalem and had a temple intact. Then come the rapture.
This is why Daniel 70th week hasn't begun yet. Not everything is in place yet. The bible also tells you when it'll begin.
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Some have turned the pretrib. Rapture doctrine into a cult by claiming that anyone who does not hold their viewpoint is not a true Christian and will be "Left Behind", when Christ returns for His Church.
Based on thousands of pages of commentary and sermons, no American pastor taught a pretrib. removal at the time of the Revolutionary War. Therefore, based on the logic of some pretribbers, all of these men of God will be "Left Behind" in the ground.
I want to be "Left Behind" based on the following text from Matthew chapter 24.
Mat 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
Mat 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Mat 24:41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
An exegesis of the passage shows that the taken are like those taken in the flood. They are destroyed.
This passage is best understood as being like the parable of the wheat and tares.
The tares are gathered first and destroyed, while the wheat was left to be gathered into the barn.
Therefore, we have Christian homes and Churches which contain millions of dollars worth of books and movies, where they did not even get the title correct and then some of us a condemned for not believing this manmade fairy tale.
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Based on thousands of pages of commentary and sermons, no American pastor taught a pretrib. removal at the time of the Revolutionary War. Therefore, based on the logic of some pretribbers, all of these men of God will be "Left Behind" in the ground.
I want to be "Left Behind" based on the following text from Matthew chapter 24.
Mat 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
Mat 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Mat 24:41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
An exegesis of the passage shows that the taken are like those taken in the flood. They are destroyed.
This passage is best understood as being like the parable of the wheat and tares.
The tares are gathered first and destroyed, while the wheat was left to be gathered into the barn.
Therefore, we have Christian homes and Churches which contain millions of dollars worth of books and movies, where they did not even get the title correct and then some of us a condemned for not believing this manmade fairy tale.
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Israel was expecting a Messiah that would defeat all their enemies and setup a literal Kingdom here on earth,
what we called the Second coming and MK.
They didn't have a "clue", even though they are there, about this "Spiritual Kingdom, within you".
Who are these people who are not his people
and who are his people???
and at what time will they be joined into one stick???
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In the rapture, Jesus himself take the rightous from the earth, the wicked left behind,
In the second coming, Angels take the wicked (tares) from the earth, righteous left behind.
These "two comings" have nothing in common, completely different.
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Joh_10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
Eph_2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
Rom_3:29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:
Rom_9:24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
It was accomplished on the Cross of Calvary, almost 2,000 years ago.
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Really...
1. Christ coming on the clouds...
2. with angels...
3. and a trumpet...
4. to gather the elect...
You may want to read the passages again...
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Rapture:
Joh 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Where is that place Jesus went to prepare for us???
Second Coming:
Mt 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, (Angels) Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
Mt 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Mt 13:49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,
If the Rapture and second coming were at the same time, Jesus taking the Just, angels taking the unjust off the earth,
there wouldn't be anyone "left behind".
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Nobody preached a restored Israel either, but here they are....
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And there is the crux of your problem with scripture.
At the time of the Revolutionary War in America, it was understood that the gathering of the Church was at the beginning of Christ's Second Coming.
Jesus is descending to gather us first and then to bring God's wrath on the ungodly.
You had to go to John Chapter 14 in order to get your trip to heaven.
However, there is no trip to heaven in 1st Thess. chapters 4 and 5.
Our gathering occurs on "the Day of the Lord", as is clearly stated in the text.
Chapter 5 starts with the word "But", therefore we know it is connected to chapter 4.
Some have tried to disconnect chapter 4 from chapter 5 in order to insert their trip to heaven.
However, there is a verse in chapter 5 that connects it back to chapter 4. Look at verse 5:10.
1Th 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
1Th 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
1Th 5:10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.
2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
Rev 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
Rev 16:16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
John Nelson Darby's "Secret Rapture" is a manmade invention, not found in God's Word.
Do we have a "restored Israel" today, or do we have a nation where most are Baal worshippers, who have rejected God's Son?
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The disciples wasn't told when Israel would be restored, Daniel's prophecy wasn't to be understood until the "Time of the end".
First thing you'll have to learn is that things are being revealed today that have never been revealed in the past.
God only reveals things that pertain to that particular "Generation".
Between which Trumpets/Bowl/vial does that rapture take place???
"Nobody" has found the church rapture taking place anywhere during the Trib period,
Even wonder why that is, with all the other "details" given about the trib???
My Bible says the "Day of Christ" is the rapture, not the day of the Lord.
2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
Do you know that this event takes place a 1000 years + after the second coming???
Either that or ignorance of what the scripture do teach.
And I find that people who don't believe in the Pre trib can't explain "WHY" a rapture was incorporated into God plans in the first place.
Can you, using scripture of course????
Ro 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they (Israel) are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
How many Gentile nations can you name that are enemies of the Gospel but still consider "elect" by God???
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You see what you want to see in the verse above, to make it fit John Darby's doctrine.
There are two groups of Israelites in the verse, just as there were two groups at the beginning of Romans chapter 11.
The chapter started with the descendants of Jacob that bowed the knee to Baal, and another group descended from Jacob who would not bow down and were the faithful Remnant, which were the elect.
Romans 11:28 also contains two groups descended from Jacob. There was a group who had rejected the Messiah which Paul was constantly battling and there was another group, the election, who were the remnant who had accepted Christ.
You have redefined the election in order to make it fit the Darbyite doctrine.
And then you claim that "the Day of the Lord" and "the Day of Christ" are not the same thing, also in an attempt to make it fit the Darbyite doctrine.
Who was and is God-in-the-Flesh?
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Really...
Eph 5:32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church. ("mystery"= the church)
Rev 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
It has always been there in plain sight.
However, some must ignore it, because it destroys their doctrine.
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