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But they will have to give account to him who is ready to judge the living and the dead. For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged according to human standards in regard to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit.

Except dead in that context does not mean literally dead.It means those who are alive who have not heard the Gospel or who do not accept it -in other words those who are dead to it.It is a metaphor.We use similar metaphors today-dead to the world,dead tired,sound deadening etc.
 
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Can you guys slow your roll? I already got busted for posting someone in the wrong place; I'm not trying to hos a debate thread.







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Can you guys slow your roll? I already got busted for posting someone in the wrong place; I'm not trying to hos a debate thread.
Nikki ,I have not forfotten you ,but problems of losing posts and now a big storm outside cut off another one . Soon as , Red Robin
 
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Most of us want a quick fix ,and it is particularly prévalent in the 'evangelical' and American way of religion ,but there is no quick fix ,as patience in this case is very important .You seem to be someone who studies the world ,science, looking for God ,and that is a good thing ,but sometimes we look in the wrong way, and in the wrong places.
So far you seem to be a "deist" , where you can see evidence for God in His Design ,and at least you have come this far .
However you are in pain enough to ask for help from human beings ,and as you must know when we are in pain ,whether emotionally (people ) , spiritually (lack of contact with God ), or physically , we are missing something in our Relationship with God .

Prolonged depression for years, indicates that one needs to reassess our Relationship with ourselves , others, and of course with Our Maker .And since everything begins in the 'heart' , and then proceeds to the 'mind' , that is where we must begin .
Many of those In power in religions are driving people away because they do not understand, that hurt , lost people ,First of all need to be heard ,and then Secondly to be guided to what they must do .
The heart 'listens , hears ,and the mind guides, if it is well informed in the Truth .
Without both love (the heart ), and intellect (study ,research ,mind ), the Truth cannot manifest in a person . If a loving person reaches out to God , at sometime (patience )He will reply, and give succour , but over time as we mix in the world and have to face up to the challenges of every day life and on going existence, we want to be able to explain, both to ourselves and to those whose hearts are less 'faithful' ,how to proof to these more materially , intellectually oriented people, that God really exists . They have never truly met with Him ,and until they do you have a hard task .

In your personal case you have the opposite situation, where you can 'see' God's order and design ,but not feel His Presence ,and you want to know why He is not there for you .

Niikkideamous , you know why, and now you can tell us why ,and we can go from there .
The road is long ,but we must take the first steps .Once we are on the Road ,even if we stumble ,assuming our intentions are true ,not fake ,then God will guide us a give support ,but we must allow Him in to our hearts .:help::holy::pray::pray::pray:
 
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Most of us want a quick fix ,and it is particularly prévalent in the 'evangelical' and American way of religion ,but there is no quick fix ,as patience in this case is very important .You seem to be someone who studies the world ,science, looking for God ,and that is a good thing ,but sometimes we look in the wrong way, and in the wrong places.
So far you seem to be a "deist" , where you can see evidence for God in His Design ,and at least you have come this far .
However you are in pain enough to ask for help from human beings ,and as you must know when we are in pain ,whether emotionally (people ) , spiritually (lack of contact with God ), or physically , we are missing something in our Relationship with God .

Prolonged depression for years, indicates that one needs to reassess our Relationship with ourselves , others, and of course with Our Maker .And since everything begins in the 'heart' , and then proceeds to the 'mind' , that is where we must begin .
Many of those In power in religions are driving people away because they do not understand, that hurt , lost people ,First of all need to be heard ,and then Secondly to be guided to what they must do .
The heart 'listens , hears ,and the mind guides, if it is well informed in the Truth .
Without both love (the heart ), and intellect (study ,research ,mind ), the Truth cannot manifest in a person . If a loving person reaches out to God , at sometime (patience )He will reply, and give succour , but over time as we mix in the world and have to face up to the challenges of every day life and on going existence, we want to be able to explain, both to ourselves and to those whose hearts are less 'faithful' ,how to proof to these more materially , intellectually oriented people, that God really exists . They have never truly met with Him ,and until they do you have a hard task . In your personal case you have the opposite situation, where you can 'see' God's order and design ,but not feel His Presence ,and you want to know why He is not there for you .

Niikkideamous , you know why, and now you can tell us why ,and we can go from there .
The road is long ,but we must take the first steps .Once we are on the Road ,even if we stumble ,assuming our intentions are true ,not fake ,then God will guide us a give support ,but we must allow Him in to our hearts .:help::holy::pray::pray::pray:
I really appreciate you responding. I guess part of the problem is that at some level, my intentions are fake. My depression has been here so long, I have no hope left. I've lost all faith of ever getting past this. I WANT to want follow God with no questions asked, giving up everything along the way. But, I don't really want to do that, because, well, quite frankly, I don't want to do anything. I don't want to exist. And that's both the root of problem, and the part that I can do nothing about.
 
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I really appreciate you responding. I guess part of the problem is that at some level, my intentions are fake. My depression has been here so long, I have no hope left. I've lost all faith of ever getting past this. I WANT to want follow God with no questions asked, giving up everything along the way. But, I don't really want to do that, because, well, quite frankly, I don't want to do anything. I don't want to exist. And that's both the root of problem, and the part that I can do nothing about.
Well Nikki ,have you heard the expression ,in a song I think "the darkest hour is just before the dawn" .Can I ask what age you are ?
Although I am an orthodox christian in that I believe that Jesus is God ,our Saviour ,and the only way to eternal life,I have studied other religions and found that in Ancient India before so called Hinduism there was a monotheist religion called Vedic ,and to me it is without doubt the most Advanced known society on the earth ,until now .
It is ignored by those christians of the west who have to believe that God only appeared to the Israelites .I do think that the bible is the last true intervention by God to save humanity ,because it comes at the end of a period of time in God's long term plans .
So, why do I tell you this now ? Naturally I hope to pull you with our Creators help,out of your dark place ,as I think that maybe you are someone who has been neglected by the traditional christian teachings ,and which , in it's ignorance the scientific community has denied the importance of .

Depression is often the 'little death ' which comes as we go through profound changes in our developement .It is related to "unless a man or woman is born again " that Jesus talks of .This was understood in vedic, and was related to our spiritual developement, and without it we cannot truly be born again , cannot see clearly .
 
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Well Nikki ,have you heard the expression ,in a song I think "the darkest hour is just before the dawn" .Can I ask what age you are ?
Although I am an orthodox christian in that I believe that Jesus is God ,our Saviour ,and the only way to eternal life,I have studied other religions and found that in Ancient India before so called Hinduism there was a monotheist religion called Vedic ,and to me it is without doubt the most Advanced known society on the earth ,until now .
It is ignored by those christians of the west who have to believe that God only appeared to the Israelites .I do think that the bible is the last true intervention by God to save humanity ,because it comes at the end of a period of time in God's long term plans .
So, why do I tell you this now ? Naturally I hope to pull you with our Creators help,out of your dark place ,as I think that maybe you are someone who has been neglected by the traditional christian teachings ,and which , in it's ignorance the scientific community has denied the importance of .
You will know that in Genesis it says that the stars are Witness to the Glory of God, and His Creation ,and they believed this in Ancient India , which has the most developed study of the whole star system .
There are those who are experts in this system .Since I do not think one can tell the future ,neither do the best of these try to do that ,as they recognise that you can 'see' the signs after an event ,but never predict . What it can do is help you understand yourself ,and should help you know better how wonderful our God is .So if you can find someone who believes in Jesus, and knows this vedic 'astrology ' , it helped me to know myself, my past ,but not my future .That is ultimately God's decision .

Depression is often the 'little death ' which comes as we go through profound changes in our developement .It is related to "unless a man or woman is born again " that Jesus talks of .This was understood in vedic, and was related to our spiritual developement, and without it we cannot truly be born again , cannot see clearly .

Uhm, I'm 19, and I mean no offense, but after lookingany into Vedic, I'm not horrible interested. I know my past, and I don't need people to retell it to me. I do a LOT, of intraflection, and if something important to helping me is in my past I don't think I need someone to point it out to me. As far as "spiritual development," I've invested time into multiple flavors of Christian mediation, and none of them have helped so far. Thank you for the information, but I don't think I've enough faith in any human's ability to better understand my past than me.
 
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Uhm, I'm 19, and I mean no offense, but after lookingany into Vedic, I'm not horrible interested. I know my past, and I don't need people to retell it to me. I do a LOT, of intraflection, and if something important to helping me is in my past I don't think I need someone to point it out to me. As far as "spiritual development," I've invested time into multiple flavors of Christian mediation, and none of them have helped so far. Thank you for the information, but I don't think I've enough faith in any human's ability to better understand my past than me.

Well I was'nt talking about the recent past ,but I realise that you are young and you may or may not change profoundly in the future .If you have looked at such things
then you are ahead of most .The truth is the religion does nothing for me either ,and the point was not so much to know yourself ,but to realise another way of knowing how God from the stars, not the religion .

In a life ,one goes through long dark tunnels ,but the thing is to realise that it ends ,and each time we should emerge a little wiser if we have God on our side ..
 
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Uhm, I'm 19, and I mean no offense, but after lookingany into Vedic, I'm not horrible interested. I know my past, and I don't need people to retell it to me. I do a LOT, of intraflection, and if something important to helping me is in my past I don't think I need someone to point it out to me. As far as "spiritual development," I've invested time into multiple flavors of Christian mediation, and none of them have helped so far. Thank you for the information, but I don't think I've enough faith in any human's ability to better understand my past than me.

It seems to me you need professional and peer group help not religious help.This is about brain chemistry not your faith.
Many people live with chronic conditions and depression or bipolar disorder is just another one of those.
Many of my friends suffer from such conditions.Some are religious and some are not.They have their bad times but have sought help and have learned how best to deal with it.Stop looking for a miracle cure and start looking for coping mechanisms.
There is a lot of help available.Please seek it out.
 
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