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SuperCloud · Aug 30, 2015

Well... it's not just black people catching it bad [on the jawline or otherwise]. If you're white in the wrong area you might catch it pretty rough too. I know that is not PC to say. But I've stomped on the North Side my entire life, and where this attack went down I spent half my childhood as my extended family lived blocks from over there. We used to go shoot hoops over at Hopkins Street School (caught in part of the news vid).

Nota bene: nothing was reported to the police.

I doubt the woman made a racial slur. I mean... that area is like I don't know... I'll estimate off the top of my head: 98% black.

But even if she did make a racial slur she likely would be drunk in that case. And beating up a woman like that who is no threat to you over some childish racial name calling is ridiculous. Keep it moving.

(video is violent--not in sporting terms, but criminal assault--so you'll have to click on the because board rules are against posting it. If you desire to see it.)

http://www.cbs58.com/story/29918169/questions-remain-after-woman-attacked-on-milwaukees-north-side

Questions remain after woman attacked on Milwaukee's north side
Posted: Aug 30, 2015 5:24 PM CST Updated: Aug 30, 2015 8:20 PM CST

Milwaukee – Some very graphic video of a woman being attacked at a gas station in Milwaukee has gone viral, popping up on social media accounts across the country.
But its been nearly two weeks since it happened and there's not a lot of traction here locally.

"Because she's probably scared. Like I said I live right down the street from here and the closest thing I do is I go off my porch to walk my dog. I mean its a hateful world," said Caron.

By simply watching the 31 second video, its hard to determine what provoked the attack.

"It had to be a racial thing. You've got people walking around with a grudge toward certain other groups or ethnicities of people," said Caron.

Avniel · Aug 31, 2015

SuperCloud said:
Well... it's not just black people catching it bad [on the jawline or otherwise]. If you're white in the wrong area you might catch it pretty rough too. I know that is not PC to say. But I've stomped on the North Side my entire life, and where this attack went down I spent half my childhood as my extended family lived blocks from over there. We used to go shoot hoops over at Hopkins Street School (caught in part of the news vid).

Nota bene: nothing was reported to the police.

I doubt the woman made a racial slur. I mean... that area is like I don't know... I'll estimate off the top of my head: 98% black.

But even if she did make a racial slur she likely would be drunk in that case. And beating up a woman like that who is no threat to you over some childish racial name calling is ridiculous. Keep it moving.

(video is violent--not in sporting terms, but criminal assault--so you'll have to click on the because board rules are against posting it. If you desire to see it.)

http://www.cbs58.com/story/29918169/questions-remain-after-woman-attacked-on-milwaukees-north-side

I don't mean to sound rude or loquacious but what is the relevance to this conversation.....did the police hit her, are you trying to say police don't protect whites people. I just can't grasp the relevance to the conversation, this is about the police not are there videos of black people attacking white people.

If that's the case blacks have it way worse. Remember the man that went to the church and worshipped with them than killed people. What about the group of guys that beat a black man to death.

66 percent of all hate crimes are committed against blacks. Statistically speaking the "north side"*key indicator* probably has treated way more blacks like that than whites.

Also you live on the north side you spent most of your life around these people. Outside of clothes, music and food you have more in common with them than I do. My father makes way over 100k, my grandfather had way more money in the bank than my father. I've never fit into the "north siders" economically or socially we just share a similar culture.

SuperCloud · Aug 31, 2015

Avniel said:
I don't mean to sound rude or loquacious but what is the relevance to this conversation.....did the police hit her, are you trying to say police don't protect whites people. I just can't grasp the relevance to the conversation, this is about the police not are there videos of black people attacking white people.

I'm just saying white people get assaulted by black people too. That's all.

If that's the case blacks have it way worse. Remember the man that went to the church and worshipped with them than killed people. What about the group of guys that beat a black man to death.

66 percent of all hate crimes are committed against blacks. Statistically speaking the "north side"*key indicator* probably has treated way more blacks like that than whites.

Also you live on the north side you spent most of your life around these people. Outside of clothes, music and food you have more in common with them than I do. My father makes way over 100k, my grandfather had way more money in the bank than my father. I've never fit into the "north siders" economically or socially we just share a similar culture.

@ blue: True. I can't imagine a black male from childhood to adulthood getting through the North Side without being physically assaulted at least once.

@ red: You are right again. Albeit, my mother is white (German-American), so, in at least the food part a number of Black-Americans have said my family eats "funny." (e.g., non-Soul Food).

Albion · Aug 31, 2015

Most black men are killed by other black men. If that is not admitted to, there is no possibility of discussing this subject objectively.

Avniel · Aug 31, 2015

Albion said:
Most black men are killed by other black men. If that is not admitted to, there is no possibility of discussing this subject objectively.

Most black men aren't killed by other black men. Most black people murdered are murdered by whites, most whites murdered are killed by blacks? Of course not America is a self segragated country. So it only brings to reason people typically commit crimes in the area they live in.

What you're stating is that because there are murderers within the black community police have a right to treat all blacks a certain way. That's racist and that's what most of America believes.

I doubt when my father goes out one of his concerns are that a black man will murder him.

I doubt that 50% of black men have committed murder, in NYC the police are more likely to arrest a white person for carrying an illegal firearm than a black person. So why are more black people stopped as suspects for carrying guns?

People believe that blacks in America are murderers and there is a plethora of blacks in better positions then 99% of the country. I make more money than 99% of the country why is my skin color a concern if I will commit murder or not?

You believe my skin color makes me more inclined to crime?

I don't see the relevance of how black men being murdered should directly affect my interaction with the police.

Not only am do black men have to worry about other black men they have to worry about the police. It just shocks us the amount of gun violence that goes on in Chicago and other inner city neighborhoods......but who is policing them? Who do they call when they get robbed or hassled?

A good deal of those deaths could be avoided if the police would properly police the community.

If there are so many black men killing each other don't you think it's a waste of tax dollars to hold up a law school student and his gifted little cousin for 30mins while they search a car only to make no arrest. I would think white Americans would be more outraged that they are paying people to police cities and they can't identify the characters. No warrant, not speeding, no reason for the stop other than to ask me what I was doing.

That's bad company policy, bad business and a waste of tax dollars. A total waste of my personal time which I could have used to make some money.

Avniel · Aug 31, 2015

SuperCloud said:
I'm just saying white people get assaulted by black people too. That's all.

@ blue: True. I can't imagine a black male from childhood to adulthood getting through the North Side without being physically assaulted at least once.

@ red: You are right again. Albeit, my mother is white (German-American), so, in at least the food part a number of Black-Americans have said my family eats "funny." (e.g., non-Soul Food).

Where did I mention anything about white people not being assaulted by blacks? You clearly said that a black person growing up out there has similar altercations, do you believe that because of their complexion they should be treated as though they are better? If you live in an area where most black people go through that why wouldn't whites go through that.

The crazy thing is those same white Americans that have family on north side, that moved away from north side as they got older looks down on me. When my father made way more money than them, has way better education then they do. I was born with a silver spoon so to a certain degree I think I should be treated like someone that doesn't live on the north side.

Avniel · Aug 31, 2015

You know what really bothers me to know people look down on you that you've more than likely traveled more, read more, had a better education, make way more money and statistically 50/50 chance I even came from a better family structure and have a better family structure than most Americans.

seekingsolace · Aug 31, 2015

Avniel said:
You know what really bothers me to know people look down on you that you've more than likely traveled more, read more, had a better education, make way more money and statistically 50/50 chance I even came from a better family structure and have a better family structure than most Americans.

This speaks more of pride and entitlement than Christian values. Discrimination comes in all forms.

Albion · Aug 31, 2015

Avniel said:
Most black men aren't killed by other black men.

Yeh, they are.

Of course not America is a self segragated country. So it only brings to reason people typically commit crimes in the area they live in.

...which should show you why your comment above is not likely to be correct.

What you're stating is that because there are murderers within the black community police have a right to treat all blacks a certain way.

No. That's what YOU just wrote ^. I said nothing of the kind and would not say something so indefensible.

Avniel · Aug 31, 2015

Albion said:
Yeh, they are.

...which should show you why your comment above is not likely to be correct.

No. That's what YOU just wrote ^. I said nothing of the kind and would not say something so indefensible.

If most black men are killed by other black men then at least 51% of all black men will be murdered. That isn't the truth and it's not the reality of the black community. Yes the number one death for black males 15 to 35 is murder.

Not to mention one and three black men will go to jail....that's not nearly enough......what you mean to tell me that one killed the other two.

Then what was the relevance to the conversation? How does a segment of a community dictate the entire image of the community?

Maybe if the police did their jobs and stopped bothering the good people and went after the bad there wouldn't be such high murder rate.

What about before the murders when people are fighting and arguing....maybe one of the reasons there are more killings is because when white Americans call the police many blacks feel they can not.

Certainly the way the police work affects the community.

Truthfully the police personally affect me way more than the killings. I can personally decide not to live in a high crime area, I can afford to live in suburbia but I haven't made that Micheal Jackson money so I still have the pigment problem.

Avniel · Aug 31, 2015

I think that's the real issue. I can decide I don't want to live around blacks that are killing each other. All I have to do is work hard, study hard and anybody in America can rise up past that type of social climate.

When I say I don't want to deal with rude unprofessional police officers can I work hard and......raise myself up past that. No, I can't a majority of my interactions with police officers at some level will be unprofessional. That's a problem for me particularly when I invest more than 99% of Americans.

Avniel · Aug 31, 2015

seekingsolace said:
This speaks more of pride and entitlement than Christian values. Discrimination comes in all forms.

I think I am entitled to a certain service if I pay more than 99% of the rest of the people investing. If I'm going to a night club, shakiest business ventures, and I pay more at the door I promise you I am going to get a different treatment.

The amount I pay in taxes makes me mad. The way the police treat me after I pay higher percentage of their salaries not only insults me it insults an entire race. When I get pulled over and treated like a criminal in the most unprofessional manner(criminal or not there is a level of professionalism that isn't often seen within the community) and I post about.

People get mad, I'm not supposed to go through that due to my upbringing, my education, my financial freedom, my family choices.

No matter what level a black man makes it to in America he more than likely will still continue to have negative interactions with the police. That's the reality.

The police are bullies they bully an entire people and there is nothing anyone in America can do about it.

I want to live in a country that looks down on that.

NothingIsImpossible · Aug 31, 2015

In your words you stated you think we want blacks to change everything. But thats not what anyone is saying. Just like as an italian I have my own culture I am proud of. What people mean is blacks should change the bad part of the culture that gets taught. Like avoiding rap music that talks about gang related stuff. Things that give blacks a negative attitude towards whites. Going back to my italian heritage. Obviously Italians tended to be into some bad things to because of where we came from. We started the mafia type stuff. We tended to hate any race outside our own and so on. But over time the generations changed and got rid of those attitudes. We no longer view "mafia" as a cook thing. We don't view mixed races as bad. So negative views in a culture can change.

But like I said this would also mean some whites would have to change their cultural taught things. Like some people I've met down south still are heavily into confederacy stuff. Calling blacks bad words and so on. They need to change to. Again whenever I say "they" or "them" about a group of people I don't mean everyone of course.

seekingsolace · Sep 1, 2015

Avniel said:
I think I am entitled to a certain service if I pay more than 99% of the rest of the people investing. If I'm going to a night club, shakiest business ventures, and I pay more at the door I promise you I am going to get a different treatment.

The amount I pay in taxes makes me mad. The way the police treat me after I pay higher percentage of their salaries not only insults me it insults an entire race. When I get pulled over and treated like a criminal in the most unprofessional manner(criminal or not there is a level of professionalism that isn't often seen within the community) and I post about.

People get mad, I'm not supposed to go through that due to my upbringing, my education, my financial freedom, my family choices.

No matter what level a black man makes it to in America he more than likely will still continue to have negative interactions with the police. That's the reality.

The police are bullies they bully an entire people and there is nothing anyone in America can do about it.

I want to live in a country that looks down on that.

An issue here is you are viewing this from a worldly perspective not a Christian one. It doesn't matter what country a person lives in, there will always be some form of partiality and prejudice. A sense of entitlement does little else than cause problems. Be content with being in the privileged - that's far more than the entire spectrum of races (this isn't a black only problem) have. The saddening thing is you further the racial divide with this mentality you have.

Avniel · Sep 1, 2015

seekingsolace said:
An issue here is you are viewing this from a worldly perspective not a Christian one. It doesn't matter what country a person lives in, there will always be some form of partiality and prejudice. A sense of entitlement does little else than cause problems. Be content with being in the privileged - that's far more than the entire spectrum of races (this isn't a black only problem) have. The saddening thing is you further the racial divide with this mentality you have.

Why should I be content with second rate privilege that was earned through hard work and tears. It's not a Christian view it's a capitalistic view in business. The truth is I pay someone for a service, if you saw the amount I pay the IRS you would understand my anger. The service I receive is less than professional.

I don't think any person paid by public dollars should ever disrespect me or make me feel uncomfortable. How ungreatful for my contributions to keep this country running.

I'm not happy or content with the service I receive I think any person purchasing into a program should have the ability to air their grievances.

Entitled to a professional attitude due to placing a high capital amount into state and federal hands.....I doubt that's the problem.

I as a black man can't accept that type of treatment I can not be content with that. People get treated like criminals based on the color of their skin.

It's a big change when they see the ledgers or discovery books. It shouldn't take that.

seekingsolace · Sep 1, 2015

Avniel said:
Why should I be content with second rate privilege that was earned through hard work and tears. It's not a Christian view it's a capitalistic view in business. The truth is I pay someone for a service, if you saw the amount I pay the IRS you would understand my anger. The service I receive is less than professional.

I don't think any person paid by public dollars should ever disrespect me or make me feel uncomfortable. How ungreatful for my contributions to keep this country running.

I'm not happy or content with the service I receive I think any person purchasing into a program should have the ability to air their grievances.

Entitled to a professional attitude due to placing a high capital amount into state and federal hands.....I doubt that's the problem.

I as a black man can't accept that type of treatment I can not be content with that. People get treated like criminals based on the color of their skin.

It's a big change when they see the ledgers or discovery books. It shouldn't take that.

I hope you consider your words, and most importantly the words of Christ. You speak of others being ungrateful of your contributions, yet don't consider your ingratitude to God. Many of us could adopt a victim mentality, taking insults where none lay - thankfully, perspective grows with time. In the face of all the atrocities and terrible persecutions in the world, you let what is trivial in comparison burn hatred inside of you. Consider how good will come from that.

com7fy8 · Sep 1, 2015

You don't have to see yourself as being "black", just because certain people treat you like that is your identity. Or else, you could in yourself have a magnet which is attracting your attention only or mainly to what bigots are doing.

I think all humans have sinned and are fallen, unless we have trusted in Jesus and He makes us new in our identity with Him (Galatians 3:28). Then we see all people alike. And I see how any human in sin is able to discriminate . . . to pick and choose about who is worth that person's attention, who is good enough to love.

Afro men can be at least as discriminatory about how nice a woman looks for sex, as white and other people can be discriminatory about outward beauty. This is, of course, because humans do not know how to love; so they see women for them to use, not to love. And it can be very cruel, how men can mentally and socially just trash a woman, only because of what she looks like. And there is a culture which helps to tempt people to do this. There are actually men who judge by looks, in order to decide who they marry or date, instead of first really getting to know someone.

And I see how elderly white people can feel ashamed of themselves because of a few wrinkles; because ones do not honor and appreciate them for their maturity and experience which can help us younger people. Of course, if they can let themselves feel shamed, may be they have never learned how to love without judging someone by looks. And so, may be they are not really mature and love experienced and need to begin with Jesus or get His correction. But yes there is such discrimination among "whites", even against their own selves.

So, if "whites" are discriminating against Afros, this can be their running their cup over, from a deep problem which is ruining their own selves much worse than how they might try to degrade Afros. So, don't let that evil spirit get the better of you; do not let anyone run an evil cup over to effect you, also!!!!

"Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good." (Romans 12:21)

And in Africa, there are now Afro people who are conducting ethnic cleansing killing and torture and rape . . . not what is happening in America; yet how much is said about that??

So, humans of any "color" can be of the same dark nature.

If certain Afro people had been in America first and had the power to go after white Africans and discriminate against them, would things be any different?? In history, we see how different ethnic groups have been racist and enslaving others . . . when they were the ones with the power and resources and numbers to do so. Mongolians raided and took over "white" people, for a while. Japanese have done this in China and elsewhere, very cruelly; but now they don't have the upper hand; what might they do if they did??

So, the cause is about character, not color. And only God can change an evil nature into a loving nature. But it is good to make an issue about racism so anyone who does care will make more of an effort to love any and all people equally, like the Bible says. Also, it has helped me, how people have criticized me about my bullying and attention seeking and uncompassionate criticizing; it helped to get my attention to how I was not loving and was missing out on love.

By the way, I have lived in an Afro neighborhood and have integrated various churches and services. Our main problem is how we can fool our own selves and let evil people have the power to decide who we think we are and how we are and live. I have been my own main problem, by how I have seen things and let mean people decide how I do things.

When there are no minority people around, I offer, "white" people can be quite busy with discriminating against each other . . . maybe like how certain Afro people can be killing other Afros . . . in order to get what they want. Whites have their ways of psychologically murdering each other, keeping each other from learning how to love. Look at how many unborn Americans are being killed by white people > isn't this discrimination???? This is what humans do > find a group who is different, somehow, and somehow weak enough so the "stronger" group can beat down on the weaker group. Ones do this against Afros and against white people and now against the unborn. Hitler just decided that Jews were so less than him and so it was ok to do what he and others did to them.

By the way . . . notice how Germany had so many people who were ready-to-go to cooperate with Hitler and the S.S. And Jews are not Afro, to my knowledge. We have evil people, ready-to-go when they get their opportunity, in any and every group and culture . . . and church, possibly.

So, we need to pray and obey how God examines and corrects us, ourselves (Hebrews 12:4-11), so we learn how to love and so we are not picking and choosing who is good enough for us to love >

"For if you love those who love you, what reward have you?" (in Matthew 5:46)

I offer, that every one of us is still not perfect; so every one of us can still discriminate about who and how we love!! And the media can help to decoy our attention away from our own need for correction, while we stay busy with pointing our finger at someone else.

Avniel · Sep 1, 2015

seekingsolace said:
I hope you consider your words, and most importantly the words of Christ. You speak of others being ungrateful of your contributions, yet don't consider your ingratitude to God. Many of us could adopt a victim mentality, taking insults where none lay - thankfully, perspective grows with time. In the face of all the atrocities and terrible persecutions in the world, you let what is trivial in comparison burn hatred inside of you. Consider how good will come from that.

Taking insults were none lay?

1) Pulling a gun on a 12 year old and saying pull your hands out before blow your head off............I think unprofessional and illegal
2) Using profanity in front an infant..........I think that's unprofessional
3) Entering two homes illegal on the same block.........I think that's unprofessional and illegal
4) Using profanity at a person as you give them a ticket.........I think that's unprofessional
5) Threatening a group of black men at their own property, illegally, stating "don't run or you get one of those nypd choke holds(this summer) no arrests, there was a BBQ that day and everyone looked at him like they were stupid............unprofessional and illegal
6) Telling a person to shut up when they haven't broken any laws and simply trying to explain something
7) Engaging in a verbal altercation over a civilian honking their horn, then having the police officer challenge the civilian to a physical fight..............dangerous to both parties, illegal and very unprofessional
8) I won't even mention when the police officer asked me "where was I going to court" and when I responded "yeah your momma is suing me for child support" that was a 3 hr ordeal, that eventually lead to me missing out on a 17k contract.....and I just started the business.......he called dogs......he did everything he could to waste my time.

Unprofessional, offensive and wrong and if brothers and sisters in Christ can't read this list and see that there is a problem there I don't know how well I can identify with them as brothers and sisters in Christ. That's honestly how I feel, if we can't agree that the black community need better treatment in America than I probably wouldn't even pray or study the word with a person. I can't even take a person's spiritual advice that I feel holds that position.

Those are all insults those all will result in a disgust with the police force. Ingratitude to God, how so everything I have is a blessing but I am not going to pretend that this country is the best place for black americans it clearly is not. My issues the things I have been through in your eyes are trivial in my eyes they are disrespectful, unprofessional and criminal...

Right I don't deserve any better treatment I am black in america.

Oh I have many blessings and I thankful to God for many things....My family, my job, my education, my ability, my community, my friends and my church family but I don't think I am blessed to be black in america. I don't think that is really a blessing it's more like a cross to carry in america but there are other countries where my skin wouldn't be a flaw.

Avniel · Sep 1, 2015

com7fy8 said:
You don't have to see yourself as being "black", just because certain people treat you like that is your identity. Or else, you could in yourself have a magnet which is attracting your attention only or mainly to what bigots are doing.

I offer, that every one of us is still not perfect; so every one of us can still discriminate about who and how we love!! And the media can help to decoy our attention away from our own need for correction, while we stay busy with pointing our finger at someone else.

I don't believe being black is the only part of my identity but it is part of who I am. I mean the first thing you see when you see me is that I am black. Of course I could change how I dress, the cars I like.......is that who I am? Is that what I like?

The reality is the aspects of the black culture I love are the arts from music to fashion. I just got into the skinny pants, sweats and the 3/4 sweats, I think they are really cool.......I just bought the grey barkleys and the jordan 7s. This is who I am, if I could have it my way I would dress like that to work. However that isn't the reality of the world we live and therefore when I go to work I conform. You have black men and women that sound, talk, look and dress totally different from work as they do at home.......total personality changes.

That's easy for me to do, I could change everything and probably cut back negative encounters certainly but is that me? Is that who I identify with, is that who my family is, is that who I was around growing, is that who I looked up to growing up?

Me not seeing myself as black is me denying who I am, me denouncing my ancestors struggles......I am a black man if I can't identify with that then I am lying to myself.

1) Pulling a gun on a 12 year old and saying pull your hands out before blow your head off............I think unprofessional and illegal
2) Using profanity in front an infant..........I think that's unprofessional
3) Entering two homes illegal on the same block.........I think that's unprofessional and illegal
4) Using profanity at a person as you give them a ticket.........I think that's unprofessional
5) Threatening a group of black men at their own property, illegally, stating "don't run or you get one of those nypd choke holds(this summer) no arrests, there was a BBQ that day and everyone looked at him like they were stupid............unprofessional and illegal
6) Telling a person to shut up when they haven't broken any laws and simply trying to explain something
7) Engaging in a verbal altercation over a civilian honking their horn, then having the police officer challenge the civilian to a physical fight..............dangerous to both parties, illegal and very unprofessional
8) I won't even mention when the police officer asked me "where was I going to court" and when I responded "yeah your momma is suing me for child support" that was a 3 hr ordeal, that eventually lead to me missing out on a 17k contract.....and I just started the business.......he called dogs......he did everything he could to waste my time.

Nooooooooo media came to my aid. No media did anything to help me, why should I care about what the media says when I am already mad.

That's what people still aren't getting I was angry before Trayvon Martin, I hated cops since 1.........I lost all respect for them at 2........I decided I would never let a man punk me at 8, which lead to me getting out of the car when offered the fight at 7. I think 5 just made me understand how stupid and just lame, for lack of a better word.....nobody even ran he looked like a jerk people laughed at him when he left.

You can't take 1-8 from me one of the reasons is I have never been arrested. I have never been charged of breaking a crime. They were bullying me, and for you that's ok for me that's not. For you all you see is media attention but what you don't see is the personal situations and issues that the black community has.

Nobody cares about the media, if you think these situations are about individual black men that have been killed by police you are sadly mistaken. It is about a day to day interaction that depending on area can be very unprofessional. The media uses an already tense situation and they come in add al sharpton and jesse jackson to make the white americans mad enough to watch. Then they put most of the blacks that can barely talk up in the front of the TV to continue a certain view, when the organizers and the speakers are no where to be found for the interview.

What your saying isn't the truth. If you pinch me everyday, not enough to hurt me but just enough to annoy me and make me view you as seeing me as than. Majority of our interactions from my view point, is unprofessional on a business level. If I were doing business with America based on their policing of the black community I wouldn't do business with america with my exposure. I am not talking about the news, I am not talking about the facebook, I mean exposed to the dark side of the police force.

SuperCloud · Sep 1, 2015

I think New York City's "stop and frisk" policy of young Black-American men and Latino men is having affects/effects on Avniel.

Milwaukee adopted that strategy from NYC for black males on the North Side. It does make you feel like you're living in a police state (actually, in reality one could argue they are). Sure, it works fairly well against the criminal element looking to harm others etc. However, it causes collateral damage among those younger (age 50 and below) black males not bothering anyone or so-called "up to no good."

If you're young, black, male and driving a very nice car and obtained it through honest earnings, well...you inevitably will draw the attention of both cops and young black criminals. Kind of being caught between a rock and a hard place.

Edited to add:

I think New York City has a more aggressive and expansive stop and frisk policy than Milwaukee. Or that is the impression I get.

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