What are special teachings of Islam?

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Yes, I agree. I wonder what is the cause to make Islam rise and spread over a bigger region than Christianity which it derived from. I think the situation at that time might be similar to that of Mormons or Jehovah Witnesses today.

As I've indicated Islam was not 'derived' from Christianity, because contacts between Muslims and Christians was not that extensive. It would be much more accurate to say Christianity is derived from Judaism. As for why Islam spread, I'd say it mostly spread through merchant trade, especially along the Silk Road and the Indian Ocean. That is how Indonesia became the largest Muslim country in the world.
 
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Not sure what you mean... Mohammad of course also changed the interpretaion. It is only Moslems who believe that the Jewish prophets preached the same message as Mohammad. There is no historical documents who support the view that Mohammad preached the original Biblical message. But I may misunderstand you quote

I think anyone who reads the Qur'an dispassionately will see that the differences are not that great. But let's ask the Jews here. Would you say that Islam or Christianity is closer to Judaism? I'm not at all sure what you are calling the 'original Biblical message.' Muslims believe in One God, in the Prophets, in Resurrection of the Dead and the Judgement Day.
 
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As I've indicated Islam was not 'derived' from Christianity, because contacts between Muslims and Christians was not that extensive. It would be much more accurate to say Christianity is derived from Judaism. As for why Islam spread, I'd say it mostly spread through merchant trade, especially along the Silk Road and the Indian Ocean. That is how Indonesia became the largest Muslim country in the world.

Yes, we meant the same thing. Christianity and Islam both derived from Judaism.

I didn't mean how did Islam expand. My question is why is Islam accepted by all the nations around Israel. Does it have anything to do with the special doctrine of Islam? Or is it more related to the nature of people (race?) rather than the doctrine?

Indonesia is an interesting case. What makes Indonesia more a Muslim country than a Buddhistic country?
 
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I think anyone who reads the Qur'an dispassionately will see that the differences are not that great. But let's ask the Jews here. Would you say that Islam or Christianity is closer to Judaism? I'm not at all sure what you are calling the 'original Biblical message.' Muslims believe in One God, in the Prophets, in Resurrection of the Dead and the Judgement Day.

Of course it is Christianity. Christianity accept the whole OT. While Islam only accept a quite small part of it.
 
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What is unique to Islam?
1. Pray five times a day, facing Mecca.
2. Requirement to conduct a pilgrimage to Mecca at least once in your life.
3. Belief in existence of Jinns and Houris.
4. Glorifies dying in battle for the promotion of Islam. (It is the only sure way of salvation.)

There are some controversial and unique teachings that are not always followed.
1. You cannot keep a pet dog in your house.
2. Satan gets in your nose when you sleep. (flush 3X with water.)
3. Shave your armpits and pubic hair every 40 days.
4. Satan laughs at you when you yawn.
5. Adam was 90 feet tall.
 
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What is unique to Islam?
1. Pray five times a day, facing Mecca.
2. Requirement to conduct a pilgrimage to Mecca at least once in your life..
3. Belief in existence of Jinns and Houris.
4. Glorifies dying in battle for the promotion of Islam. (It is the only sure way of salvation.)

You have some very weird concepts of what is important in Islam. Certainly the obligatory prayers and the pilgrimage reinforce one's identity. Muslims may believe in Jinns and Houris but they are not necessarily agreed as to what those are. The purpose of jihad is not to promote Islam, it is to create a just government where people are free to be Muslims. As for thinking that dying in a Holy War brings salvation, that's hardly unique to Islam. Every Christian Crusader believed this!

There are some controversial and unique teachings that are not always followed.

That's because they are not Qur'anic.
 
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Islam teaches many things the same as or similar to what Christian does. What are the teachings in Islam which is unique and make Islam separate from Christianity?

This is just a Q/A thread, please refrain from any argument or debate. Thanks.

Let me start it:

Allah: the God of Islam. Other religions also have god or gods. So this is not special.
Prophets: Other religions also have prophets and priests. So this is not special.
Love others: a very common concept.
Pray: Nothing special, even the style and the frequency may vary.
...

So, what is special about Islam?

Hi,

I too wondered about Islam. I still do and have direction now, and am pursuing it. The most recent direction that I will persue, is Islam was stolen by the very same types of people that stole Christianity from Jesus really. In the same sense, I am told those types stole Islam from Mohammed.

The theives in each case existed when Jesus was alive, in the case of Christianity. In Mohammed's case, they were alive also, then as well as now. It is the same for Jesus. They were there then. They are here now.

For all true searchers, to find the answers to questions about God, the searcher must actually be some things. He/she must be just and must be rightious where both of those words mean the same thing.

I am told, the non Hadith type Muslims, which are incredibly hard to find, can be spoken to about Islam, and the answers actually be believed and understood. That is where I am at now, it is in trying to verify those words to me.

LOVE,
 
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I too wondered about Islam. I still do and have direction now, and am pursuing it. The most recent direction that I will persue, is Islam was stolen by the very same types of people that stole Christianity from Jesus really. In the same sense, I am told those types stole Islam from Mohammed.

There is no single Islam anymore than there is a single Christianity. There are Muslims and there are Christians and each believer understands their religion differently. But in the case of Islam I am of the opinion that things started to go wrong when the Prophet's own choice of succession (Ali) was ignored. However, as the current state of Iran indicates, Shi'ites can be as messed up today as Sunnis. I think the main thing is that religions become old and corrupted. It is not like Muhammad did not forsee what would happen:

"The Apostle of God said: `There will come a time for my people when there will remain nothing of the Qur'an except its outward form and nothing of Islam except its name and they will call themselves by this name even though they are the people furthest from it. The mosques will be full of people but they will be empty of right guidance. The religious leaders (Fuqaha) of that day will be the most evil religious leaders under the heavens; sedition and dissension will go out from them and to them will it return.' " -ibn Babuya, Thawab ul-A'mal

I am told, the non Hadith type Muslims, which are incredibly hard to find, can be spoken to about Islam, and the answers actually be believed and understood. That is where I am at now, it is in trying to verify those words to me.

While I tend to be very suspicious of hadith reports, I don't think they can be entirely discarded. They are the only sources we have to give context to what is in the Qur'an. What I think we need is a new science of hadith which utilizes modern methods of historical criticism. Still, I don't think even that will entirely solve Islam's problems. The truth is that not everything in the Bible, the Qur'an, of even authentic ahadith are suited for the needs of today. Should women really stay silent in church and let men run things? Is slavery which both the Bible and the Qur'an allow to be deemed acceptable anywhere? As Baha'u'llah puts it:

"The All-Knowing Physician hath His finger on the pulse of mankind. He perceiveth the disease, and prescribeth, in His unerring wisdom, the remedy. Every age hath its own problem, and every soul its particular aspiration. The remedy the world needeth in its present-day afflictions can never be the same as that which a subsequent age may require. Be anxiously concerned with the needs of the age ye live in, and center your deliberations on its exigencies and requirements.
We can well perceive how the whole human race is encompassed with great, with incalculable afflictions. We see it languishing on its bed of sickness, sore-tried and disillusioned. They that are intoxicated by self-conceit have interposed themselves between it and the Divine and infallible Physician. Witness how they have entangled all men, themselves included, in the mesh of their devices. They can neither discover the cause of the disease, nor have they any knowledge of the remedy. They have conceived the straight to be crooked, and have imagined their friend an enemy."
 
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There is no single Islam anymore than there is a single Christianity. There are Muslims and there are Christians and each believer understands their religion differently. But in the case of Islam I am of the opinion that things started to go wrong when the Prophet's own choice of succession (Ali) was ignored. However, as the current state of Iran indicates, Shi'ites can be as messed up today as Sunnis. I think the main thing is that religions become old and corrupted. It is not like Muhammad did not forsee what would happen:

"The Apostle of God said: `There will come a time for my people when there will remain nothing of the Qur'an except its outward form and nothing of Islam except its name and they will call themselves by this name even though they are the people furthest from it. The mosques will be full of people but they will be empty of right guidance. The religious leaders (Fuqaha) of that day will be the most evil religious leaders under the heavens; sedition and dissension will go out from them and to them will it return.' " -ibn Babuya, Thawab ul-A'mal



While I tend to be very suspicious of hadith reports, I don't think they can be entirely discarded. They are the only sources we have to give context to what is in the Qur'an. What I think we need is a new science of hadith which utilizes modern methods of historical criticism. Still, I don't think even that will entirely solve Islam's problems. The truth is that not everything in the Bible, the Qur'an, of even authentic ahadith are suited for the needs of today. Should women really stay silent in church and let men run things? Is slavery which both the Bible and the Qur'an allow to be deemed acceptable anywhere? As Baha'u'llah puts it:

"The All-Knowing Physician hath His finger on the pulse of mankind. He perceiveth the disease, and prescribeth, in His unerring wisdom, the remedy. Every age hath its own problem, and every soul its particular aspiration. The remedy the world needeth in its present-day afflictions can never be the same as that which a subsequent age may require. Be anxiously concerned with the needs of the age ye live in, and center your deliberations on its exigencies and requirements.
We can well perceive how the whole human race is encompassed with great, with incalculable afflictions. We see it languishing on its bed of sickness, sore-tried and disillusioned. They that are intoxicated by self-conceit have interposed themselves between it and the Divine and infallible Physician. Witness how they have entangled all men, themselves included, in the mesh of their devices. They can neither discover the cause of the disease, nor have they any knowledge of the remedy. They have conceived the straight to be crooked, and have imagined their friend an enemy."

Hi,

I am told, that it requires mysticism and Qur'an only people to say what was truly there. And being a full blown mystic myself, it is not possible for anyone to normally separate the true mystics from the false one.

Normally, does not imply it is impossible, raher it is just difficult and even I can be fooled by false mystics. I was once for a few years, now he is outed to his church, and to me, and he is also hopefully going to stop saying he is God-type-of-Mystic.

The end result apparently, is God exists, and few people know Him correctly. However, God if the world did not intrude, sometimes in just a horrific upbrininging sufficent to cause problems, and as is said that way, even in The Bible, (my reference book), would be known by all.

Anyone who displays any no-remorse tendencies, the ones the Psychologists talk about, are the ones who have subverted Christianity and Islam I am now told, to what it is not. What each of them is now, is a mixture of some truth and a lot of untruth.

The untruth allows the Narcissistic Types (The Formal Intellectual Professional definition and no other.), to get what they want, at even the Religion's expense.

I still want to find, some Muslims who, are not of the Wolves in sheeps clothing class, as determined in Parable form, by being grape vines also and fig trees also, while professing to the world that they are grapes and figs.

LOVE,
 
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What is unique to Islam?
1. Pray five times a day, facing Mecca.
2. Requirement to conduct a pilgrimage to Mecca at least once in your life.
3. Belief in existence of Jinns and Houris.
4. Glorifies dying in battle for the promotion of Islam. (It is the only sure way of salvation.)

I heard of this very often and I believe it is true for Islam.
Muslims may argue that the battle is defensive. But that is conditional and is hard to be justified.

That is why my impression about Islam is: a violent religion.
So far, I am not convinced at all that it is not.
 
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Hi,

I too wondered about Islam. I still do and have direction now, and am pursuing it. The most recent direction that I will persue, is Islam was stolen by the very same types of people that stole Christianity from Jesus really. In the same sense, I am told those types stole Islam from Mohammed.
This is not accurate at all about Islam.
The book of Islam "Quran" was not changed as tough by Mohamed PUOH
The words and deeds of Mohamed were documented in what we call Hadeeth, These Hadeethes have been verified a lot till we found what is really said by Mohamed and what is not.

But Islam had a few groups who have deviated from the true message.
The only group that is on the true and same religion as tough by Mohamed is the Sunni
 
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This is not accurate at all about Islam.
The book of Islam "Quran" was not changed as tough by Mohamed PUOH
The words and deeds of Mohamed were documented in what we call Hadeeth, These Hadeethes have been verified a lot till we found what is really said by Mohamed and what is not.

But Islam had a few groups who have deviated from the true message.
The only group that is on the true and same religion as tough by Mohamed is the Sunni

Hi,

Your rough manner scares me. However, and how can I know your assertion is correct? Your assertion is the opposite of what I have been told.

I will do the work to find out.

LOVE,
 
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I heard of this very often and I believe it is true for Islam.
Muslims may argue that the battle is defensive. But that is conditional and is hard to be justified.

That is why my impression about Islam is: a violent religion.
So far, I am not convinced at all that it is not.
We can't simplify this topic as it's discussed. It's neither defensive nor promotional war.
This topic about violence have been discussed a lot and many people have writing on this topic

What we can say a few words: at that time, there were no rules for people to be free to decide their religion.

for example, Roman Catholic were feeding Egyptian Orthodox for lions. Imagine in such environment how the people would be free to choose Islam. When Muslims concurred Egypt the set everyone free to select and protected Orthodox from killing and protected Roman Catholic from revenge. some of both have chose Islam voluntary.

It's same story every where, Islam was fighting by concurring regimes but offer Islam voluntary to people
Allah said in Quran " There is no compulsion in religion. Verily, the Right Path has become distinct from the wrong path."
 
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Hi,

Your rough manner scares me. However, and how can I know your assertion is correct? Your assertion is the opposite of what I have been told.

I will do the work to find out.

LOVE,
Someday, One man said "Listen to us not about us"
When you do your work, please include also Muslims writings. I'm more than happy to help you to some good writings
 
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Someday, One man said "Listen to us not about us"
When you do your work, please include also Muslims writings. I'm more than happy to help you to some good writings

Hi,

Your angry tone, scares me. Normally angry people are only 80% right. As, such I don't know how I could ask you for your versions of truth for a new subject, as I do expect you are at least that amount, 20%, in error also.

What is the angry tone about? I am all things Religiously. I am to die, rather than offend God. I have no life apart from God. I have no job apart from God. I have not died yet. I am always supposed to accept death though rather than go against God. I am not allowed anger. I am not. I do not understand your angry tone. I do not.

LOVE,
 
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Yes, we meant the same thing. Christianity and Islam both derived from Judaism.

I didn't mean how did Islam expand. My question is why is Islam accepted by all the nations around Israel. Does it have anything to do with the special doctrine of Islam? Or is it more related to the nature of people (race?) rather than the doctrine?

Indonesia is an interesting case. What makes Indonesia more a Muslim country than a Buddhistic country?
Your question is very important " why is Islam accepted by all the nations around Israel?"

The more important is the other question about Indonesia, I can add to Indonesia other countries like Malaysia, South Philippine (whole Philippine in the past before colonization), moth west China and many other countries which were not concurred by Muslems army
 
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for example, Roman Catholic were feeding Egyptian Orthodox for lions.

You're more than a bit confused, Limo. The Romans were pagans at the time when they fed Christians to lions. (If they ever did. We only have Christian accounts of this. Once Rome becomes Christian even the Gladiator fights are stopped.

When Muslims concurred Egypt the set everyone free to select and protected Orthodox from killing and protected Roman Catholic from revenge. some of both have chose Islam voluntary.

Again, you are confused. By the time Islam arises Roman Catholics had virtually no contact with Egypt whatsoever. The Byzantine Empire, which is the remnant of the Roman Empire was Orthodox while Egypt was Coptic. There was no formal split yet between Catholic and Orthodox, but Catholics had next to no control over what occurred within the Byzantine Empire.
 
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Your angry tone, scares me.

Why are you assuming he is angry? English is obviously not his mother tongue so it is difficult to understand what he is saying and historically much of what he is saying is wrong. But I don't get the impression he is mad at anyone.
 
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Hi,

Your angry tone, scares me. Normally angry people are only 80% right. As, such I don't know how I could ask you for your versions of truth for a new subject, as I do expect you are at least that amount, 20%, in error also.

What is the angry tone about? I am all things Religiously. I am to die, rather than offend God. I have no life apart from God. I have no job apart from God. I have not died yet. I am always supposed to accept death though rather than go against God. I am not allowed anger. I am not. I do not understand your angry tone. I do not.

LOVE,
I'm not angry at all

May be, because I'm not native English speaker. So I use strong strait forward words

Sorry about that , I'll try to take it into consideration
 
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Yes, we meant the same thing. Christianity and Islam both derived from Judaism.

I didn't mean how did Islam expand. My question is why is Islam accepted by all the nations around Israel.

Not all. Lebanon has a mixture of religions. In fact it was originally cut out of Syrian by the French to be an area where Christians would make up the majority. But Muslims had a higher birthrate, so now there are more Shi'ites than anything else. But no one has a majority.

Does it have anything to do with the special doctrine of Islam? Or is it more related to the nature of people (race?) rather than the doctrine?

Arabs (Muslim and Christians together) invaded the area in the seventh century and eventually the inhabitants who originally spoke Aramaic began to speak Arabic. It takes about three centuries before the majority of people there become Islamicized. But there were always significant Christian populations as well.

Indonesia is an interesting case. What makes Indonesia more a Muslim country than a Buddhistic country?

Ah, now that is a story I can tell you. Muslims first came to Indonesia as traders and merchants, often accompanied by Sufi mystics. Eventually some of the ruling families become Muslims. But before the 16th century the coastal areas were largely Muslims whereas further inland the people most followed a Javanese form of Hindu-Buddhist syncretism. That situation doesn't change until the Dutch take over. Their rule was so brutal, often times amounting to genocide. At that time people began to feel they needed to take up sides, and Islam came to be associated with resistance to Dutch colonialism. That is how the majority came to be Muslim. It is now the largest Muslim country in the world. Good job, Holland!
 
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