Say what????

Laureate · Aug 30, 2015

Chicken Little said:
but their church is not repenting as God demands all Nicolatians to do right ?
they are only offering a place to repent before the door is closed ( what ever that means) . and so I agree with them that the hour of the gentile is about over ( if that is what they are saying ) , but I don't think they think that is means for them too . we all assume we get in right and are chosen .
now some of us are as worried as Paul was in that we hope we are found to be of some worth for His age. thus worthy and so chosen for the first resurrection unto life. the rest of the " called " go unto the last age after the great white throne. but Paul's worried about going to that first resurrection age.. where we have to be chosen and thus be of some worth to him in his age it has nothing to do with LOVE or forgiveness , so I suspect we all should be worried also and can't assume to be worth / worthy.

thanks for that perspective I had never seen it put that way.. I do have to rethink that eating clean now might be a part of the for that 1000 years age for a reason thing .. so through the years I learned my value/worth to him had nothing to do with me being some sort of Jewish wannabee or "adopted jewish" , "replacement Jewish " or any such kind of concepts but being a gentile..
so now I need to re-think and pray about that eating part. TO me to date I was as a gentile part of that 'called' parts of the laws ( the first group Deu 5 ) and that the levites and judah and some Israelites so lead to , were the chosen part who were to worry about more of those ceremonially unclean things only for the reasons of ceremonies ( in and for the temple) ..

Y'shua proclaimed, that, in the second coming every generation will resurrect for the final judgement, so if we happen to be living in those particular last days, we should be seeing alot of people claiming to have had a prior life;

We are over two thousand years from the crucifiction date, meaning we are in the earliest parts of the Third Day when it is yet dark outside;

Consider the biblical usage of the word 'Virgin', and how it is used in a definitive context, i.e.,

"...for no man had known her, for she was a virgin...."

The scriptures tell us we are Elohym, the many members of the body of the 'Divine Head' to be more precise, however, we shall die as men!'

Elohym is one! and if we be a member of His body, at what point do we cease being Him?

Y'shua said call No Man on earth Father, yet he was walking in backwards to cover our nakedness, meaning, don't you dare refer to the Father as a Man when He Comes!

For Y'shua gave us who receive, and believe on him authority to be Son's of Elohym, Divine Beings, no longer just a man!

So, if you are looking to be counted among the Virgins mentioned in revelations, it would behoove you to no longer recognize our fellow divine brothers and sisters as Humans, but as divine beings regardless to what they believe;

And also as a prerequisite, One must also believe, they have already died, and are now born into the kingdom a new;

For The Rapture is when the Father stands, and calls the Saints unto Him, then (as in the days of Moshe) they/we will take the two wings of a Great eagle, and fly away from the face of the serpent;

He will gather us to His Holy Mt. just like Moshe, to a Great Mt. Burning with fire.

Laureate · Aug 30, 2015

Don't forget your sun tan lotion, and raybans, cause your gonna need them!

Laureate · Aug 30, 2015

The plea to cease, and desist! is a form of, Calling off the Sacrifices...

Does Daniel come to anyone's mind?

Yet, all decrees come from on high, so the challenge (if there be any) is to understand, and submit to His Authority, not that of the so called men whom He performs through, our strength of course comes from the truth He reveals unto us, always pointing out a verse or two, or three.

The scriptural convictions given to me from on high as it pertains to 'Shortening the Time', and the 'Calling for an end of all Sacrifices', has nothing to do with the ceasing to give praise, or circumventing trials, and tribulations;

It would mean the quota has been met, therefore cease!

Y'shua said, 'Woe unto the world because of Offenses, though it is necessary for Offenses to come, woe unto the individuals through whom they come by.'

Now consider this, we are Elohym, and our word does not return unto us void, but goes out and performs our will, thus we (as scripture say), are held accountable for every utterance that goes out of our mouth with understanding.

These are the offenses falling back upon us, yet to shorten the time, Y'shua expedited our trials and tribulations by setting us all at odds with one another, reaping one righteous victory after another.

Father against son, mother against daughter, etc. our only protection is to Love the Son more than anyone else;

He shortened the time, and the quota is full, as in the "sins of the Amer-i have come to its full" and thus it is time to enter a promised land-earth.

Open Heart · Aug 30, 2015

pinacled said:
I am curious about indulgences too?
Does it have to do with monetary wealth?

Indulgences have nothing to do with monetary wealth.

aniello · Aug 31, 2015

Well, not being familiar with the indulgence concept, I am wondering about it all.

Isn't it like a 'pay-it-forward' program where you can pay for an absolution for a future sin you want to do? Say you want to rob a bank but you've purchased an indulgence already. So, you go ahead and rob the bank and if someone gets 'off-ed' in the process, well, that's just collateral damage. But hey, you've got your indulgence, no sweat, affare sono affare(business is business).

Seems logical and it seems to be ok-ed by high authority, so what's the problem, as long as you tithe out of the proceeds from such an enterprise.

Sigh, so confusing.

visionary · Aug 31, 2015

Open Heart said:
Indulgences have nothing to do with monetary wealth.

With money, you can afford more indulgence.

pinacled · Aug 31, 2015

Open Heart said:
Indulgences have nothing to do with monetary wealth.

Ok, had to look it up..
Strange how it sounds familiar.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indulgence

From this explanation another question arises.
What is attachment to creatures?

And then this statement below.
The communication of the spiritual goods, which include the infinite merits of Christ himself, is referred to as the "treasury of the Church"

An indulgence thus does not forgive the guilt of sin, nor does it release from the eternal punishment which Church doctrine associates with unforgiven mortal sins. The Catholic Church teaches instead that indulgences only relieve the temporal punishment resulting from the effect of sin (the effect of rejecting God the source of good), and that a person is still required to have his grave sins absolved, ordinarily through the sacrament of Confession, to receive salvation. Similarly, an indulgence is not a permit to commit sin, a pardon of future sin, nor a guarantee of salvation for oneself or for another.[10][11] Ordinarily, forgiveness of mortal sins is obtained through Confession (i.e., penance or reconciliation).

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For I would not, brethren, have you ignorant, that our fathers were all under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
and were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
and did all eat the same spiritual food;
and did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of a spiritual rock that followed them: and the rock was Christ.

The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not a communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not a communion of the body of Christ?
seeing that we, who are many, are one bread, one body: for we are all partake of the one bread.
Behold Israel after the flesh: have not they that eat the sacrifices communion with the altar?
What say I then? that a thing sacrificed to idols is anything, or that an idol is anything?

אֶלָּא מַה־שֶּׁיִּזְבְּחוּ הַגּוֹיִם לַשֵּׁדִים הֵם זׂבְחִים וְלׂא לֵאלׂהִים וַאֲנִי אֵין רְצוֹנִי שֶׁתִּהְיוּ חֲבֵרִים לַשֵּׁדִים׃

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But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to demons, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have communion with demons.

לׂא תוּכְלוּ לִשְׁתּוֹת כּוֹס אֲדׂנֵינוּ וְכוֹס הַשֵּׁדִים יָחַד וְלׂא יִהְיֶה חֵלֶק לָכֶם בְּשֻׁלְחַן אֲדׂנֵינוּ וּבְשֻׁלְחַן הַשֵּׁדִים׃

כא

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Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of demons: ye cannot partake of the table of the Lord, and of the table of demons.

הֲנָעֵז לְהַקְנִיא אֶת־אֲדׂנֵינוּ הֲכִי חֲזָקִים אֲנַחְנוּ מִמֶּנּוּ׃

כב

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Or do we provoke the Lord to jealousy? are we stronger than he?

הַכּׂל רְשׁוּת לִי אֲבָל לׂא כָל־דָּבָר מוֹעִיל הַכּׂל רְשׁוּת לִי אֲבָל לׂא כָל־דָּבָר בֹּנֶה׃

כג

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All things are lawful; but not all things are expedient. All things are lawful; but not all things edify.

visionary · Aug 31, 2015

A scale of prices was so fixed as to draw heavily from the rich and yet not overlook and miss the pennies of the poorer. For instance, the royal crime against the laws of the Church, of marriage with a first cousin cost $5,000, while the terrible sin of wife-murder or parricide cost only $20.

Open Heart · Aug 31, 2015

visionary said:
With money, you can afford more indulgence.

I think you must be using "indulgence" in a different sense.

Open Heart · Aug 31, 2015

pinacled said:
From this explanation another question arises.
What is attachment to creatures?

And then this statement below.
The communication of the spiritual goods, which include the infinite merits of Christ himself, is referred to as the "treasury of the Church"

I read your post carefully, but was not able to understand your questions. What creatures? And what was your question regarding your quotes?

ron4shua · Aug 31, 2015

Greetings dear sister in Messiah , are these fees $5,000 / $20 in today's dollars ?
Does that " parricide " include stepchildren , relatives by marriage , do you know if there is a decreasing cost fee ?

pinacled · Aug 31, 2015

Open Heart said:
I read your post carefully, but was not able to understand your questions. What creatures? And what was your question regarding your quotes?

Was this Catholic Doctrine or Buddhist teaching?

pinacled · Aug 31, 2015

pinacled said:
Was this Catholic Doctrine or Buddhist teaching?

Infinite Merits.
History of Vajrayāna
Although the first tantric Buddhist texts appeared in India in the 3rd century and continued to appear until the 12th century,[2] scholars such as Hirakawa Akira assert that the Vajrayāna probably came into existence in the 6th or 7th century,[3] while the term Vajrayāna itself first appeared in the 8th century.[1] The Vajrayāna was preceded by the Mantrayāna, and then followed by the Sahajayāna and Kalacakrayāna.[4]

India?

Curious yet?
Just remember migration...

visionary · Aug 31, 2015

There are partial indulgences, which reduce purgatorial time by a certain number of days or years, and plenary indulgences, which eliminate all.

Open Heart · Aug 31, 2015

ron4shua said:
Greetings dear sister in Messiah , are these fees $5,000 / $20 in today's dollars ?
Does that " parricide " include stepchildren , relatives by marriage , do you know if there is a decreasing cost fee ?

Does anyone here know what Ron is talking about?

Open Heart · Aug 31, 2015

pinacled said:
Was this Catholic Doctrine or Buddhist teaching?

Pincacled, first, I hate it when I ask a question and the response has nothing to do with the question I asked.
Second. Why are you going off into Buddhism? It has nothing to do with anything anyone said. it seems that lately your responses are entirely irrational. I mean I'm starting to get concerned for you at this point.

visionary · Sep 1, 2015

Learning more about this "open door" policy. Pope Francis will give all priests discretion to formally forgive women who have had abortions during the Roman Catholic Church's upcoming Holy Year, in the Argentine pontiff's latest move towards a more open and inclusive church. http://www.aol.com/article/2015/09/...o-forgive-abortion-during-holy-year/21229956/

pinacled · Sep 1, 2015

Open Heart said:
Pincacled, first, I hate it when I ask a question and the response has nothing to do with the question I asked.
Second. Why are you going off into Buddhism? It has nothing to do with anything anyone said. it seems that lately your responses are entirely irrational. I mean I'm starting to get concerned for you at this point.

I am glad you got my point. Catholic Dogma and Doctrine practices can be confusing.

pinacled · Sep 1, 2015

pinacled said:
I am glad you got my point. Catholic Dogma and Doctrine practices can be confusing.

http://www.catholic.com/tracts/myths-about-indulgences

visionary · Sep 1, 2015

An indulgence is a remission before God of the temporal punishment due to sins whose guilt has already been forgiven, which the faithful Christian who is duly disposed gains under certain defined conditions through the Church’s help when, as a minister of redemption, she dispenses and applies with authority the treasury of the satisfactions won by Christ and the saints

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