7 Day creation- literal or figurative?

Aman777 said:

Would you mind telling us why the verse you posted says that the Biblical account of Genesis is NOT true Literally?

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Sure if you don't mind telling me why you think I said the verse I posted says Biblical account of Genesis is not literally true?


While in Genesis 1:1, the heaven and earth were made. And in Genesis 1:8, the other heaven was made.
And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

However, in Genesis 2:4, it says in the day the LORD God made the earth and the heavens. [plural]
These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, Gen 2:4

"029b10, post: 68534982, member: 380080"]Sure if you don't mind telling me why you think I said the verse I posted says Biblical account of Genesis is not literally true?

While in Genesis 1:1, the heaven and earth were made. And in Genesis 1:8, the other heaven was made.
And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

The heaven and earth which were created before the first Day in Gen 1:1 are part of the matter of which everything made physically will consist, air, dust, water. The three elements necessary to build a perfect physical heaven are brought into the physical world at this time, but something was dreadfully wrong since the Water, which came from the Air or Heaven, had darkness or death upon it's surface. Anything made from these creation elements which contained death could never be perfect.

The FIRST Heaven, Adam's world, was made on the 2nd Day. Gen 1:8
Other HeavenS were made on the 3rd Day Gen 2:4, the SAME Day Adam's Earth was made, the THIRD Day. Gen 1:9-10 The present 2nd Heaven and the 3rd Heaven of ll Corinthians 12:2 were made on the 3rd Day.

However, in Genesis 2:4, it says in the day the LORD God made the earth and the heavens. [plural]
These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, Gen 2:4

Notice that it takes the AGREEMENT of the Trinity (Elohim) to create.
Gen 2:4 is NOT speaking of Elohim's creation, as in Gen 1:8 but instead is revealing the forming or shaping of living things or worlds which were made by the Hands of YHWH or Jesus.

God's (The Trinity's) creations are always ETERNAL, but the forming of creatures by the Hands of the Lord God (Jesus) is temporal and subject to death. A good example is Humankind (Adam) who was formed by Lord God (Jesus) on the 3rd Day. Gen 2:4-7 The
SAME Adam was later "created in God's Image Spiritually" at the same time Eve was born again Spiritually which was AFTER Cain killed Abel. Gen 5:1-2

That's because ALL men have the Free choice to believe God or NOT. Amen?

Aman777 said:

The heaven and earth which were created before the first Day in Gen 1:1 are part of the matter of which everything made physically will consist, air, dust, water.

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Interesting to note that you reference heaven and earth being created before the 1st Day, since it is written in Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning" . But then it appears that you are saying of Genesis 1:1 was the 1st day, so I really can't respond since I am really not sure what was said.

Aman777 said:

The heaven and earth which were created before the first Day in Gen 1:1 are part of the matter of which everything made physically will consist, air, dust, water.

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So can a human life be formed out of air, dust and water?

While I hear tell that everything in this spherical body of space called the universe is composed of matter, and that Solid, Lquids, and Gases are the three primary states of matter having mass. Yet, not all matter has mass, and they slipped in a fourth State of matter called Plasma, or rather ionized gas.

Since the only physical bodies composed of the three primary states of matter are corpses, that must have came as a surprise to the evolutionists clearly convinced tthemselves the evolved man formed by the three states of matter was clearly intellectually superior to the Bible thumpers who believe God formed man for only two states of matter, Dust and Air.

I guess they didn't get the memo from Jesus which read Verily, Verily I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

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The heaven and earth which were created before the first Day in Gen 1:1 are part of the matter of which everything made physically will consist, air, dust, water.


02:>>Interesting to note that you reference heaven and earth being created before the 1st Day, since it is written in Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning" . But then it appears that you are saying of Genesis 1:1 was the 1st day, so I really can't respond since I am really not sure what was said.

The reason is because God did NOT call the Light "Day" until Gen 1:5

Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day


The heaven and earth which were created before the first Day in Gen 1:1 are part of the matter of which everything made physically will consist, air, dust, water.


02:>>So can a human life be formed out of air, dust and water?

Absolutely since the word "formed" in Hebrew means shaping like a Potter molds the Clay. The breath of life can come only from God.

02:>>While I hear tell that everything in this spherical body of space called the universe is composed of matter, and that Solid, Lquids, and Gases are the three primary states of matter having mass. Yet, not all matter has mass, and they slipped in a fourth State of matter called Plasma, or rather ionized gas.

Gas is also classified as air since it comes from the chemical elements in the atmosphere and is the first thing God created. The other problem is that you are reading of the formation of Adam's Flat Earth and NOT the present spherical Planet Earth. Jesus "inflated" some of the matter made before the 1st Day (Big Bang) and when it cooled our Cosmos was made on the 3rd Day. Gen 2:4

02:>>Since the only physical bodies composed of the three primary states of matter are corpses, that must have came as a surprise to the evolutionists clearly convinced themselves the evolved man formed by the three states of matter was clearly intellectually superior to the Bible thumpers who believe God formed man for only two states of matter, Dust and Air.

Those who believe the False ToE don't seem to know that Water also came from the Heaven/Air which was the FIRST thing God brought into the physical world. That's WHY Gen 1:1-2 correctly show that water was NOT created but instead came forth from the atmosphere since it's composed of two Gases. Unbelievers don't know that God revealed Himself in the first two verses of Genesis since NO ancient man could have possibly got that one scientifically correct. Amen?

02:>>I guess they didn't get the memo from Jesus which read Verily, Verily I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

True but those who THINK they know what the Bible says are sometimes surprised to learn that ONLY in these last days can we possibly understand Genesis. It's because God has hidden His Truth from unbelievers and believers alike. Those who can understand Genesis can see that Genesis agrees in EVERY way with EVERY discovery of Science and History. Unlike the traditional religious view, it reveals a God Who is the Supreme Intelligence of Creation. He has hidden His Truth for thousands of years and put it right in front of everyone's noses. Our God is an Awesome God. His name is Jesus. God Bless you

029b10 said:

However, in Genesis 2:4, it says in the day the LORD God made the earth and the heavens. [plural] These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, Gen 2:4

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Moses explains this in Deu 32:7"Remember the days of old, Consider the years of all generations. Ask your father, and he will inform you, Your elders, and they will tell you.8"When the Most High gave the nations their inheritance, When He separated the sons of man, He set the boundaries of the peoples According to the number of the sons of Israel.…

Also in a few different Psalms Psalm 77:5 I have considered the days of old, the years of ancient times.

77:11 I will remember(8799) the works of the LORD: surely I will remember thy wonders of old.

Psalm 78:3,4 Which we have heard and known, and our fathers have told us…

The days of old when God created the Earth is separated from the generations or the genealogies.

pinkmatter said:

I'm after thoughts and opinions Gods 7-day creation. Did Moses right it as a narrative to the Israelites? Is Genesis all figurative language?

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We only experience God's grace of "time" because we sinned and He offer us forgiveness.
By all rights, Adam should have vaporised the moment he sinned. But God forgives.

SkyWriting said:

We only experience God's grace of "time" because we sinned and He offer us forgiveness.
By all rights, Adam should have vaporised the moment he sinned. But God forgives.

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Exactly, ,no man hath seen God at any time; as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

029b10 said:

that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

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"Shall not be subject to time anymore"
is how I read it.

SkyWriting said:

"Shall not be subject to time anymore"
is how I read it.

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While you have a point, so not rejecting your reading, it just seems that as mortals, we are bound by time yet I am not to sure that if one obtains immortality then they wouldn't be subject to time anymore, it just wouldn't end. Which reminds me of the passage in Revelations 9:6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

029b10 said:

While you have a point, so not rejecting your reading, it just seems that as mortals, we are bound by time yet I am not to sure that if one obtains immortality then they wouldn't be subject to time anymore, it just wouldn't end.

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From the human or scientific standpoint, that would not be a good thing.
One would normally get weary of life, and a body would get cancer 100% of the time.
And while still being a human, subject to wear and tear, few of us relish the idea of time without a break.

SkyWriting said:

From the human or scientific standpoint, that would not be a good thing.
One would normally get weary of life, and a body would get cancer 100% of the time.
And while still being a human, subject to wear and tear, few of us relish the idea of time without a break.

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If it is written in 1 John 4:3 that "every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God:"
then howbeit written in Hebrew 13:8, "Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever."

029b10 said:

If it is written in 1 John 4:3 that "every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God:"
then howbeit written in Hebrew 13:8, "Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever."

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That's a keen observation.

I would just reverse the order of the two and say that we can consider that Jesus is eternal and comes from God
and we can acknowledge that there is a natural human spirit that does not accept Christ as savior.

For whatever reason, Jesus gave us the ability to choose to not to accept.
Jesus felt that choice was so important, that He gave us that option.
Him knowing that many would not accept the spirit of God, still, He created
man and left us that option, even knowing it would lead so many to the second death.

pinkmatter said:

I'm after thoughts and opinions Gods 7-day creation.
Did Moses right it as a narrative to the Israelites? Is Genesis all figurative language?

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It is both, as are many biblical stories.

This is just an idea and by no means am I claiming this to be even remotely close to being true or even logical for that matter. There is no reason for God to depict 1 day being a gazillion years only to cause confusion however this is just a hypothesis of an idle mind.

Every planet in every solar system in every galaxy in the heavens is subjected to time dilation which in this scenario propagates what 1 full day actually is in relation to our understanding of a day(24hours) [Relativity] If you don’t understand how relativity works just watch the movie Interstellar.

We all know the word of the bible is both symbolic and literal at times which has without a doubt raised debates regarding periods and times of events of things when they just don't coincide with our data, understanding and experiences.

1 year, 1 day, 1 hour, 1 second ect… varies from planet to planet when stacked up against our own.

Planets Length of Day

Mercury 1,408 hours
Venus 5,832 hours
Earth 24 hours
Mars 25 hours
Jupiter 10 hours
Saturn 11 hours
Uranus 17 hours
Neptune 16 hours

With this in mind what makes anyone so sure that 1 Day in the Genesis's account of creation was a literal 24 hours?! I’m not saying that isn't the case but with an open mind and knowing how symbolic the Bible can there is a logical possibility that God wasn't literally standing on earth when he created the “heavens and the earth” which would've otherwise subjected him to a 24 hour day period. If products of the heavens "planets" can experience time differently why not the creator of time itself?! Especially seeing that he currently is in a totally different place than we are today. above the firmament ie: (outer-space/heavens). For all we know 1 day at the time of creation could've easily been millions or billions of years in comparison to an earth day with the idea of how time dilation and relativity works. Regarding the scriptures I think it would make more sense to present this matter symbolically and say 1 day then to give the exact sum in a measurement of our understanding because that would just unnecessarily overcomplicate the scriptures especially for believers back than.

Just an idea

JaeMelo said:

This is just an idea and by no means am I claiming this to be even remotely close to being true or even logical for that matter. There is no reason for God to depict 1 day being a gazillion years only to cause confusion however this is just a hypothesis of an idle mind.

Every planet in every solar system in every galaxy in the heavens is subjected to time dilation which in this scenario propagates what 1 full day actually is in relation to our understanding of a day(24hours) [Relativity] If you don’t understand how relativity works just watch the movie Interstellar.

We all know the word of the bible is both symbolic and literal at times which has without a doubt raised debates regarding periods and times of events of things when they just don't coincide with our data, understanding and experiences.

1 year, 1 day, 1 hour, 1 second ect… varies from planet to planet when stacked up against our own.

Planets Length of Day

Mercury 1,408 hours
Venus 5,832 hours
Earth 24 hours
Mars 25 hours
Jupiter 10 hours
Saturn 11 hours
Uranus 17 hours
Neptune 16 hours

With this in mind what makes anyone so sure that 1 Day in the Genesis's account of creation was a literal 24 hours?! I’m not saying that isn't the case but with an open mind and knowing how symbolic the Bible can there is a logical possibility that God wasn't literally standing on earth when he created the “heavens and the earth” which would've otherwise subjected him to a 24 hour day period. If products of the heavens "planets" can experience time differently why not the creator of time itself?! Especially seeing that he currently is in a totally different place than we are today. above the firmament ie: (outer-space/heavens). For all we know 1 day at the time of creation could've easily been millions or billions of years in comparison to an earth day with the idea of how time dilation and relativity works. Regarding the scriptures I think it would make more sense to present this matter symbolically and say 1 day then to give the exact sum in a measurement of our understanding because that would just unnecessarily overcomplicate the scriptures especially for believers back than.

Just an idea

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God has but 7 Days and the 7th Day is Eternity. We live today on the present 6th Day which will NOT end until the prophecy of Gen 1:28-31 is fulfilled, which is AFTER Jesus returns to this Earth to rule and reign for a thousand years. That's God's Truth Scripturally. Amen?

So during creation on the 7th day when God rested he rested on eternity?! but yet we are still on day 6 suggesting that day 7 hasn't come yet which means god hasn't rested yet. Im guessing this is your interpretation right lol?!

'Day' there in Genesis clearly means day,both by common usage and that morning and evening are mentioned in relation to 'day'.

But we bring a modern mindset to the text; the 'how' and 'when' of matter. For the ancients they were not their concerns. Origin and purpose 'why' were their primary concerns. The text is a literary arrangement to provide for the Hebrews an different understanding of the cosmos than that held by the surrounding nations. God the Creator, was He who had chosen them as a nation to declare his glory to the rest of humanity. They needed to clearly distinguish Yahweh from all other gods. Genesis 1 & 2 does not answer the questions posed by modern science. Both the creation story and science can co-exist comfortably; they have different, not conflicting perspectives.

John
NZ

JaeMelo said:

With this in mind what makes anyone so sure that 1 Day in the Genesis's account of creation was a literal 24 hours?

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Time is a gift given to Adam after his Sin. Otherwise he would have died instantly.

SkyWriting said:

Time is a gift given to Adam after his Sin. Otherwise he would have died instantly.

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But that does not accord with the text. 'Days' are mentioned along with 'morning' and 'evening' preceding Adam's creation not after.

John
NZ

Johnnz said:

But that does not accord with the text. 'Days' are mentioned along with 'morning' and 'evening' preceding Adam's creation not after.
John
NZ

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And why would they be 24 hour days, since the sun was not yet created?