Why would some believe christians will offer sacrifices in the millennial temple?

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Israel is in partial blindness, but will in
the future make the remark as to His coming.
Realise this: posts like this, that are incoherent, meaningless, and without scriptural support, are a waste of space and only confirm the impression that you have nothing useful to say.

ChickenL, Jesus is among us now, spiritually. He said: He would work for two days, Luke 13:32 and then obtain His reward. That is; His Millennium Kingdom. Two days = 2000 years
 
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Realise this: posts like this, that are incoherent, meaningless, and without scriptural support, are a waste of space and only confirm the impression that you have nothing useful to say.

ChickenL, Jesus is among us now, spiritually. He said: He would work for two days, Luke 13:32 and then obtain His reward. That is; His Millennium Kingdom. Two days = 2000 years
now that makes me feel sorry.


in the mean time you didn't answer my questions and until you can you better get to know real one better.. because you already fell for the last sweet talkin fool who will come along making all those promises and keeping none. and if you haven't yet you will.
 
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now that makes me feel sorry.
in the mean time you didn't answer my questions and until you can you better get to know real one better.. because you already fell for the last sweet talkin fool who will come along making all those promises and keeping none. and if you haven't yet you will.
More incoherence.
Your question in #140 is answered; Jesus is working among His people now. There are many instances where He has actually appeared to people, starting from Paul on the Damascus road.
What most can't see, is that Jesus will appear, be revealed , spiritually: as He did to the ancient Israelites, to His righteous people as they gather into all of the Holy land, soon after it is cleared by the Sixth Seal devastation. 2 Thessalonians 1:6-10, Isaiah 24:23, Revelation 14:1
Years later, He will Return physically, seen by all the world, to commence His Millennium reign.
 
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I have been studying with a group Christians in Ezekiel and about the temple of Ezekiel. I have always studied about the temple, and eschatology is one of my favorite subjects. I have formed an opinion that this temple will be built by the modern Jews, and that they will begin to offer the sacrifices and all the things pertaining to the Law (and not 'necessarily' this generation of Jews). But then Christ will then come to the gate of this new temple (if to understand Ezekiel's vision) and at that point the Temple Jews will recognize that He is the Lamb of God, the one who was slain. Who has holes in His hands, and then the Jews will recognize Him as the Lord and the Lamb. And then the sacrifices stop, the veil over their eyes is taken away, and from then on He reigns in the physical Jerusalem Temple. I am even wondering if this millennial temple is destroyed at that time, but I'm just trying to reconcile the church, and the body of believers in the body of Christ with the reign of Christ in the Millennial period (Dispensationalist and Covenant interpretations aside).

Why is it that some Christians whom I talk to think that temple will be a place where even Christians (and Jews) will continue some kind of system of sacrifices? To me that seems to be going back to the Law. Even though Paul seemed to participate in some temple rituals, that was before the destruction of Herods temple, and I believe Paul was just trying to be all things to all men, etc. and not trying to condone the institution of the sacrificial system of Atonement. Some have said that the offerings in the millennial temple will not be for atonement but for the thanksgiving, freewill and grain offerings only, that seems ok but I see all things being fulfilled and offered by Christ the priest of Ezekiel 45-48. And this will all be fulfilled in Christ, so I don't see any further sacrificial system, for sure for Christians, in fact I think it's blasphemous for Believers to re-enact the sacrifice, the Law and the systems of it, since it was 'all fulfilled in Christ'. What do you Think? I haven't explained this in detail but just seeing if someone else understands where I'm coming from. thanks.

We know now, looking back, that the entire sacrificial system of the Old Covenant was only a SHADOW of Jesus' sacrifice. Yes, even as a shadow, God had them do it as a continual reminder of the horror of SIN.

I suspect, given the propensity of the human race to forget, that God will hold sacrifices during the 1000 year reign to keep SIN in their minds and then it will be pointing BACK in time to His sacrifice. The human race must NEVER forget that He died for their sins. Animal sacrifices could well be how God keeps them in remembrance. We know that Jesus died for FUTURE sins as well as past sins. So just as the blood of bulls was sprinkled in the old tabernacle to cover the sins of the people for one year, it was only POINTING towards Jesus' sacrifice that completely removed them. The future sacrifices will only be a reminder that Jesus' blood removed them.
 
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Why don't you need such a reminder today? Shouldn't it be pleasing to God for you to sacrifice the blood of bulls and goats today? Why wait for the millennium?
 
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Why don't you need such a reminder today? Shouldn't it be pleasing to God for you to sacrifice the blood of bulls and goats today? Why wait for the millennium?
It isn't possible for anyone at present, to know what God requires of His people. In ancient times it was pleasing to God for animal sacrifices to be made and in Ezekiel 40-48, it seems that will again be His requirement. To deny that possibility is to deny what is written. We await true prophets and teachers, as promised; Jeremiah 3:15
As Israelites in exile, our current situation, we are told to not offer sacrifices. Hosea 9:4
 
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We are also told in the Book of Hebrews that the Old Covenant is passed away, because of a better covenant.

In Galatians Paul says we are to cast out the Bondwoman and her son (Old Covenant).

I am at a loss to figure out why some of us think we need to return to a system that was only a shadow of Christ and the New Covenant.

And none of this is found in the New Testament. It comes by interpreting the New Testament, based on the Old Testament.

Why would we judge a better system, based on a weaker system?

Some of us just cannot let the Bondwoman and her son go... Are we acting like modern Judaizers?

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Why don't you need such a reminder today? Shouldn't it be pleasing to God for you to sacrifice the blood of bulls and goats today? Why wait for the millennium?
I am not running this show! Go talk to the Master. We are still in the church age or Age of Grace. It will soon END with the rapture. Today we have Jesus INSIDE and are sealed by the Holy Spirit. It is a privilege of the church age that will soon end. There is no hint in scripture that those living on earth during the 1000 year reign of Christ will be "born again" and sealed with the Holy Spirit.
 
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We are also told in the Book of Hebrews that the Old Covenant is passed away, because of a better covenant.

In Galatians Paul says we are to cast out the Bondwoman and her son (Old Covenant).

I am at a loss to figure out why some of us think we need to return to a system that was only a shadow of Christ and the New Covenant.

And none of this is found in the New Testament. It comes by interpreting the New Testament, based on the Old Testament.

Why would we judge a better system, based on a weaker system?

Some of us just cannot let the Bondwoman and her son go... Are we acting like modern Judaizers?

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This is just more nonsense that denies dispensations. God is about to wrap up the church age dispensation and time will revert back to the 70th week of Daniel, the final 7 years of the OLD COVENANT.
 
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This is just more nonsense that denies dispensations. God is about to wrap up the church age dispensation and time will revert back to the 70th week of Daniel, the final 7 years of the OLD COVENANT.


Gal 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?

Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

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Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
If the Old Covenant had been perfect there would have been no need for the New Covenant.


Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

The New Covenant has already been made with Israel and Judah. Why would anyone try to put them back under the Old Covenant?

Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

God is not going to put them under the Old Covenant. How could it be any clearer?
They did not continue in that covenant and therefore God no longer considers them under the Old Covenant.


Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

The Old Covenant is finished.


Why is a fellow Christian trying to convince us that there is a system of salvation outside of the Grace of Jesus Christ?

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Gal 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?

Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

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Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

If the Old Covenant had been perfect there would have been no need for the New Covenant.

Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
The New Covenant has already been made with Israel and Judah. Why would anyone try to put them back under the Old Covenant?

Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
God is not going to put them under the Old Covenant. How could it be any clearer?
They did not continue in that covenant and therefore God no longer considers them under the Old Covenant.

Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
The Old Covenant is finished.


Why is a fellow Christian trying to convince us that there is a system of salvation outside of the Grace of Jesus Christ?

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Gal 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?

Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

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Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

If the Old Covenant had been perfect there would have been no need for the New Covenant.

Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

The New Covenant has already been made with Israel and Judah. Why would anyone try to put them back under the Old Covenant?

Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
God is not going to put them under the Old Covenant. How could it be any clearer?
They did not continue in that covenant and therefore God no longer considers them under the Old Covenant.

Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

The Old Covenant is finished.


Why is a fellow Christian trying to convince us that there is a system of salvation outside of the Grace of Jesus Christ?

Anyone can post scriptures. It takes wisdom to post scriptures that answer the thread.

TRUTH: anyone that denies dispensations will be confused over some scriptures, for God has dealt with the human race DIFFERENTLY in different ages. When God ENDS one dispensation, and begins another, all those who deny dispensations will be out of touch and confused.

TRUTH: for us who have received Jesus as our Lord and Savior, the Law, which was against us was nailed to the cross. But for the Jews who still believe they are under that law, there remains yet ONE WEEK NOT YET FULFILLED.

TRUTH: Ezekiel has many chapters concerning the temple to come. YOu can tear those pages out of your bible if you choose. Or you can ignore them as you have been doing. Never the less, they are there and they WILL COME TO PASS.

YOu can deny the future 70th week all you wish, but it will come to pass in spite of your disbelief.

Isaiah 55:8
For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord.

1 Corinthians 14:38
But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.
 
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I am not running this show! Go talk to the Master. We are still in the church age or Age of Grace. It will soon END

1) It's ALWAYS "soon to end" isn't it? ::yawn::
1) The Age we are in is the EVERLASTING GOSPEL age.
 
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Only have a minute here, two questions:
This is just more nonsense that denies dispensations. God is about to wrap up the church age dispensation and time will revert back to the 70th week of Daniel, the final 7 years of the OLD COVENANT. (Iamlamad)
So is this when the Ezekiel temple is built, or is it existing already? And then, is this when the prince comes into the Ezekiel temple?
 
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But for the Jews who still believe they are under that law, there remains yet ONE WEEK NOT YET FULFILLED.

If I agree to paint your house "after" 69 days, it will not be done until the 70th day.
Christ was cut off "after" the 69th week, which would be during the 70th week.
He was cut off in the middle of the 70th week.
Almost all of the first Christians were Jews.
The Gospel was taken to the Jews for another 1/2 week through the Holy Spirit, working in the Apostles of Christ.
The 70th week ended when Stephen reviewed the whole history of Israel. Because they did not like the truth that he spoke, he was killed.
It was not an accident that Saul (Paul) was a witness to all of this, because God would chose him to take the Gospel to the rest of the world, after the end of the 70th week.

Some of us are looking for a 70th week that ended almost 2,000 years ago, when they claim a covenant that has been replaced, will be used as the method of salvation for the Jewish people.
Are they preaching another Gospel, other than the Grace of Jesus?


Compare the statement of the poster above to the scripture written below.
There are 2 Dispensations, the Old Covenant and the New Covenant...


Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
The New Covenant has already been made with Israel and Judah. Why would anyone try to put them back under the Old Covenant?

Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
God is not going to put them under the Old Covenant. How could it be any clearer?

They did not continue in that covenant and therefore God no longer considers them under the Old Covenant.

There is only One Way of Salvation, through the Grace of the precious Blood of the Lamb.
The blood of bulls and goats does not take away sin.
Renewed animal sacrifices in a rebuilt temple would accomplish nothing.



Heb 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.



Heb 9:13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:


Heb 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?


Heb 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

The Old Covenant is finished.

Anyone who believes there is still salvation in the Old Covenant, might as well become a Jew and abandon their faith in Christ, if they cannot let go of the Bondwoman found in the Book of Galatians.



Gal 4:30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.




What did Paul say to the Galatians?

Gal 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?

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O foolish Americans!
To believe that God has finished His work with us on earth!
Paul tells us that a man of perdition, or the Adversary must come before Jesus will Return. 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4
That wicked one, still to come, will deceive all who refuse to accept the Truth and they are put under a compelling delusion, so they believe what is false. 2 Thessalonians 2:9-12

So is this when the Ezekiel temple is built, or is it existing already? And then, is this when the prince comes into the Ezekiel temple?
The biggest and best Temple ever to be built, Haggai 2:7-9, is detailed by Ezekiel 43:10-12
It will be built by the Lord's righteous people, as they settle into all that area of the Holy Land given so long ago to the Patriarchs, into their reward of peace and security and to fulfil their task to proclaim the coming Kingdom of Jesus. Isaiah 42:6, Isaiah 66:19
 
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O foolish Americans!
To believe that God has finished His work with us on earth!

What American Christian Believe that?

People are being baptized into the one true faith EVERY DAY due EXCUSIVELY to God's continuing "WORK" with us on earth...

WOW, it's as if Christianity and Christ's cross work, His once for all sacrifice by His Blood, to reconcile THE WHOLE WORLD unto Himself, is merely a "blip on the screen" and ought be regarded as nothing more than a "slight detour" to be merely "tolerated" until God can get back to the REAL job of Forced Circumcision and Animal sacrifices that Jesus so Rudely interrupted....

Paul tells us that a man of perdition, or the Adversary must come before Jesus will Return. 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4

Paul also tells us in that same passage that that man of perdition was a contemporary of his, already alive in his generation, and was at that time being restrained from his takeover of the then standing "Temple of God."
 
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1) It's ALWAYS "soon to end" isn't it? ::yawn::
1) The Age we are in is the EVERLASTING GOSPEL age.

The "gospel" or God's word to man will never end, for He lives forever. But dispensations END.

If you notice, the "gospel" preached by the angel in Rev. 14 is not the gospel that Jesus preached nor the gospel that Paul preached. But it is still the gospel.

What happened to the door in the parable of the virgins? It was SHUT. That means no more will get in.
 
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If you notice, the "gospel" preached by the angel in Rev. 14 is not the gospel that Jesus preached nor the gospel that Paul preached. But it is still the gospel.


Gal 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

Gal 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

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