Our founding theology doesn't rest upon Kings or Chronicles. The same cannot be said of the Gospels and Christianity.
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why do jews reject jesus?
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Our founding theology doesn't rest upon Kings or Chronicles. The same cannot be said of the Gospels and Christianity.
If Pilate had really thought Jesus was perfectly innocent he wouldn't have had "King of the Jews" written on the cross where one places the crime of the person being crucified. This was tantamount to a charge of treason.
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Also, the guy who had no choice but to capitulate to the Jews had no problem leaving that up there when it said Jews objected to it. Guess he magically grew as spine.
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Quite the opposite. Evidently you have either (1) failed to carefully read the record of what happened or (2) you have chosen to put your own spin on what happened (as did the Jews subsequently). In either case, what you have stated is incorrect and misleading. You also chose to ignore what I posted from Scripture in order to maintain your distorted view of the matter. Peter says above (Acts 3:13) that the Jews "DENIED HIM IN THE PRESENCE OF PILATE, WHEN HE WAS DETERMINED TO LET HIM GO..."
Did you get that? That is exactly what the Gospels reveal. Pilate was determined to let him go, but he failed to have the courage to let Jesus go. So instead Pilate used his authority -- AGAINST THE WISHES OF THE JEWS -- to publicly declare JESUS OF NAZARETH KING OF THE JEWS.
That was NOT a crime that was being declared, since Herod was also a king of the Jews under Rome (as were many of his dynasty). That was an act of defiance against the wishes of the Jews who rejected their own true King. Pilate was astute enough to understand the motive of the Jewish leaders -- "ENVY". Read the Gospel accounts. (And we should never forget the warning sent to Pilate by his wife. That certainly had an impact on Pilate.) And we must also not forget God's hand in this matter of declaring to the whole unbelieving Jewish nation who Christ truly was.
The important thing in these discussions is to remember that God takes note of every distortion of the truth, and every attempt to bring contempt upon the Gospel record -- which is the Word of God.
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And people do that all the time. There comes a point when one says *ENOUGH IS ENOUGH*. And that is exactly what Pilate did. He was undoubtedly wracked with guilt for putting an innocent man to death. He was not about to allow the envy and hatred of the Jewish leaders to stop him -- UNDER THE HAND OF GOD -- from declaring the truth about Jesus of Nazareth. Not just in one language, but in THREE LANGUAGES -- Hebrew, Greek, and Latin. Pilate is to be commended for this declaration.
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The key issue with Israel at the time when Christ walked this earth was WILFUL BLINDNESS. To claim that Jesus of Nazareth did not fully meet the qualifications of the Messiah of Israel is to be WILFULLY BLIND to the fact that there are thousands of Messianic Jews today who have fully embraced Yeshua ha Mashiach as their Messiah, Lord, and Savior. Therefore when the Antichrist comes on the scene the wilfully blind Jews will blindly follow him and accept him as their *true Messiah* while he deceives them and leads them to Hell.
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First of all, my belief that Jesus didn't meet the qualifications does not mean I'm being willfully blind of the messianic movement. Their believe that he did doesn't somehow negate my belief that he didn't. There is no logic there.
Now, the numbers game. That's a fun one. Remember when Elijah the Prophet confronted the many, many priests of Baal? I can just see someone standing there pointing out that because thousands of Jews had already seen the truth of Baal, Elijah was being willfully blind to the facts.
Messianic qualifications not met by Jesus:
There is no world peace. There have been many wars fought since people declared him Messiah even though scripture clearly states that nation shall not raise up sword against nation neither shall they learn war anymore. So, that box isn't checked.
Jeremiah states that when the new covenant comes, nobody shall have to tell their neighbor know the Lord because they shall all know Him form the least of them to the greatest. Why are you having to tell me know the Lord? That box isn't checked.
There are more, but let's just start with two that are 100% not met.
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I'm well aware of what Acts said, my point is that there are portions of the biblical account which seem quite implausible. Acts reflects is the Christian version of what happened recorded a couple of generations later. What Peter is recorded to have said is really hearsay.
Herod was given the authority by Rome to be the king, Jesus was not. Given the fact that the Messiah was supposed to liberate the Jews, anyone making such a claim would definitely be deemed guilty of treason.
So you are suggesting that Pilate recognized Jesus as the 'true King?' Somehow that seems unlikely.
Odd that this story appears in only one Gospel? How exactly would Matthew have known that Pilate's wife had a dream? And why exactly would she have such a dream if it is was God's intent that Jesus be crucified?
I'm glad we can have dispassionate discussion of the subject. But according to John's Gospel it is Jesus who is the Word of God.
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Because thousands of Jews believe something, that makes it true?
How about some biblical proof instead of just as assertion? Without it is rather obviously just a case of antisemitism. The Bible never says Jews will follow the Antichrist. In fact all the Antichrists mentioned in the Bible were Christian Gnostics.
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Do you have any idea just how many innocent men Pilate had put to death? According to Josephus Pilate spent money from the Temple to build an aqueduct. Pilate had soldiers hidden in the crowd of Jews while addressing them and, when Jews again protested his actions he gave the signal for his soldiers to randomly attack, beat and kill – in an attempt to silence Jewish petitions. According to Philo of Alexandria Pilate had "vindictiveness and furious temper", and was "naturally inflexible, a blend of self-will and relentlessness". He also accuses Pilate of "briberies, the insults, the robberies, the outrages and wanton injuries, the executions without trial constantly repeated, the ceaseless and supremely grievous cruelty."
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http://www.bible-history.com/quotes/flavius_josephus_4.html
Here is the entire text of what Philo had to say about Pilate:
"Pilate was an official who had been appointed prefect of Judaea. With the intention of annoying the Jews rather than of honoring Tiberius, he set up gilded shields in Herod's palace in the Holy City. They bore no figure and nothing else that was forbidden, but only the briefest possible inscription, which stated two things - the name of the dedicator and that of the person in whose honor the dedication was made.
But when the Jews at large learnt of this action, which was indeed already widely known, they chose as their spokesmen the king's [Herod the Great] four sons, who enjoyed prestige and rank equal to that of kings, his other descendants, and their own officials, and besought Pilate to undo his innovation in the shape of the shields, and not to violate their native customs, which had hitherto been invariably preserved inviolate by kings and emperors alike.
When Pilate, who was a man of inflexible, stubborn and cruel disposition, obstinately refused, they shouted: 'Do not cause a revolt! Do not cause a war! Do not break the peace! Disrespect done to our ancient laws brings no honor to the emperor. Do not make Tiberius an excuse for insulting our nation. He does not want any of our traditions done away with. If you say that he does, show us some decree or letter or something of the sort, so that we may cease troubling you and appeal to our master by means of an embassy.'
This last remark exasperated Pilate most of all, for he was afraid that if they really sent an embassy, they would bring accusations against the rest of his administration as well, specifying in detail his venality, his violence, his thefts, his assaults, his abusive behavior, his frequent executions of untried prisoners, and his endless savage ferocity.
So, as he was a spiteful and angry person, he was in a serious dilemma; for he had neither the courage to remove what he had once set up, nor the desire to do anything which would please his subjects, but at the same time he was well aware of Tiberius' firmness on these matters. When the Jewish officials saw this, and realized that Pilate was regretting what he had done, although he did not wish to show it, they wrote a letter to Tiberius, pleading their case as forcibly as they could.
What words, what threats Tiberius uttered against Pilate when he read it! It would be superfluous to describe his anger, although he was not easily moved to anger, since his reaction speaks for itself.
For immediately, without even waiting until the next day, he wrote to Pilate, reproaching and rebuking him a thousand times for his new-fangled audacity and telling him to remove the shields at once and have them taken from the capital to the coastal city of Caesarea [...], to be dedicated in the temple of Augustus. This was duly done. In this way both the honor of the emperor and the traditional policy regarding Jerusalem were alike preserved. "
http://www.earlyjewishwritings.com/text/philo/book40.html
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It's really OK that you believe this and your faith says it. I don't have to believe it and think it is just the New Testament attacking Jews. If you can't accept people disagree with you a blog might be better than a forum.
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I gave you no link. I am responding to the general tone of this thread where some people seem to be unwilling to accept that Jews might have a different opinion about what happened and have reason to see the New Testament's account to be either wrong or a fabrication.
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Ooops, sorry!You are right, no link from you! Sorry, my fault there.
Of course you have your view and beliefs. I am not arguing with your beliefs. We are just having a discussion about the subject.
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You are the one that told me that everybody and their cat knows that the Jews shouted to crucify Jesus. Now, if you meant that the New Testament states that the Jews said it, I will agree with you. But I don't believe that was an event that actually happened. The text relays that the Jews said that Jesus's blood should be on their hands and their children's hands. Who would ever say that? Why would they say that? Even if they believed they were doing the perfectly right thing, why would the implicate their children in any of it at all?
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Not suggesting he did have anyone hidden in the crowd. As for whether Pilate wanted Jesus dead, we don't really know because our only sources are those of the Gospel writers who clearly wish to blame the Jews and not the Romans. What we do know is that Jesus was convicted and executed for treason, not blasphemy. The Romans could care less about what the Jews considered blasphemy. And they were clearly able to put people to death on their own. Note the numerous attempts at stoning and the fact that Stephen gets stoned to death only a few months later.
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