Could Sunday be a burden?

Can Sunday become a "Burden"?

  • Cammanding Sunday to be a Family and church day day would not make it a burden

    Votes: 1 50.0%
  • If laws are encated by countries to revernce Sunday it will become a burden.

    Votes: 1 50.0%
  • Sunday is God's holy day so it can not be a burden to be restricted in our activities on that day.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • If restrictions on our activities are bad for Sabbath it is bad for Sunday too.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • We should have civil laws for Sunday keeping.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

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Sophrosyne

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I agree. The world is moving quickly away from any such thing, not closer to it. I have said it before, but many seem to be ignorant of America's own history and the "blue laws" that used to be the law of the day here. To think society is moving back towards that is to be totally out of touch with reality.
Yes, in reality those days people were considered extremely religiously conservative while today there is undeniable evidence that society is becoming more and more godless and liberal approaching extremes quite often while tearing down and making illegal any references to conservative ideology whenever possible. Why would they make Sunday Laws when they don't even allow prayer in many public settings now? It makes no sense.
 
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Jesus did not work for wages on the Sabbath, that is exactly what God ask us not to do. The law will not be for keeping Sabbath but for keeping Sunday as the family day is not being called for.
I admit I do not understand your English there.
 
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You overstep yourself sir.

Mine is an opinion shared because a thread subject asked it of members and members that deemed to answer did so.

I don't have any power, authority, nor expectation of insisting my opinion on Christians here. That's absurd to even imagine possible on a one dimensional message forum using a keyboard as an inroad to what? Forced conversion or compliance?

While you may wish to commit to introspection and ask why you are doing just that. Insisting any believer must see things your way.

Besides the fact you're trying to tell Christians here that they're not really following Jesus when you keep ignorantly insisting that the Disciples were Jews and all references to the ten commandments only apply to Jews. When Matthew 19 proves you not only wrong but entirely false.
How do we know this?
Well, it is obvious when you keep insisting there's a Jewish divide in the new testament.

You see, the Disciples were indeed Jews when they met Jesus! However, when he was proven to be the Messiah it was then that they were made Christian! They were first called Christians in Antioch.
And even so, Jesus knowing full well his mission to the people, delivered his commands in the new covenant, the new testament, as related in Matthew 19.

The 10 commandments were never given to anyone but Israel the Bible says so, the Sabbath is Israel's only no one else was ever required to keep it nor does the Bible say anywhere in the New Testament in any sort of fashion that Christians must keep Sabbath days in fact Paul equates them as voluntary. Nobody in the New Testament Jesus, nor the 12 apostles, nor Paul, nor the followers of such written about have ever commanded Christians keep the Sabbath and without instruction to keep the Sabbath and no direct mention of the 10 commandments you have no basis to insist such upon believers here.
 
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You overstep yourself sir.

Mine is an opinion shared because a thread subject asked it of members and members that deemed to answer did so.

I don't have any power, authority, nor expectation of insisting my opinion on Christians here. That's absurd to even imagine possible on a one dimensional message forum using a keyboard as an inroad to what? Forced conversion or compliance?

While you may wish to commit to introspection and ask why you are doing just that. Insisting any believer must see things your way.

Besides the fact you're trying to tell Christians here that they're not really following Jesus when you keep ignorantly insisting that the Disciples were Jews and all references to the ten commandments only apply to Jews. When Matthew 19 proves you not only wrong but entirely false.
How do we know this?
Well, it is obvious when you keep insisting there's a Jewish divide in the new testament.

You see, the Disciples were indeed Jews when they met Jesus! However, when he was proven to be the Messiah it was then that they were made Christian! They were first called Christians in Antioch.
And even so, Jesus knowing full well his mission to the people, delivered his commands in the new covenant, the new testament, as related in Matthew 19.
Opinions are not scripture, there is ample scripture proving that the Law of Moses which INCLUDES as an integral non separable part of it the 10 commandments were for Israel ONLY to keep. Gentiles had to go through the rituals and become part of Israel (a Jew) before they could properly partake of the Law there isn't this magic salvation thing where suddenly God makes you an Israeli and then you are required to keep their Law that idea is unscriptural. Paul himself says those in the spirit are not under the Law.
 
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The Sabbath was first on Saturday. Sundown Friday unto sundown Saturday.
I don't think there should be a civil law that permits those who honor the Sabbath a special day off. How would one ascertain their sincerity? Or just someone who wanted a possibly paid day off work?

The employers I've come across knowing that an employee has a day or two off in the normal schedule typically don't have a problem with Saturday off requests for Sabbath. Or Sunday if that's the case for some.
But it does depend on the type business as well and if they're particularly busy on weekends.

Sabbath though isn't something that is legalistic for Christians. The ten commandments still apply but we're not obligated to obey the strict tenets that pertain to others practice.

Honor the Sabbath and keep it holy. The disciples kept the Sabbath after Jesus resurrection and return to Heaven. So it still was in force after Jesus departed and for those who walked with him in his ministry.
Jesus worked on the Sabbath so if he can do so we shouldn't worry I don't think.
Jesus appeared to Paul with doctrines of the gospel for the Gentiles. Days of worship and Sabbaths are addressed in at least 3 epistles. Questions and answers are given in scriptures on most issues that matters. Prove your comments with scriptures and your message will be well received.
 
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Jesus appeared to Paul with doctrines of the gospel for the Gentiles. Days of worship and Sabbaths are addressed in at least 3 epistles. Questions and answers are given in scriptures on most issues that matters. Prove your comments with scriptures and your message will be well received.
I find too often those who want to bind us to the Law don't read Paul's writings very carefully and don't consider the audience involved when doctrine is addressed. Too much of the New Testament other than Paul's books are addressed to a Primarily Jewish audience and very often that audience was summarily bound to keep the Law of Moses. We don't see these people figuring out that after the cross the mindset of even some Jews changed from Law to grace and love. We continually see people pointing back to the 4 gospels as what Gentiles should believe totally ignoring the fact that Jesus himself outright rejected Gentiles as his audience even to the point one gentile woman trying to get him to heal him who was being scolded by Jesus when she touched him and was healed called herself a dog and equated even dogs were allowed to eat scraps off the "masters" table. The Jewish mindset pre cross including Jesus was the Gentiles were almost totally IGNORED as a part of his ministry and audience. There are some exceptions but even some of these exceptions may be Jews also just not a part of Israel (estranged). The Centurion shows you that he didn't feel he was worth a visit from Jesus to heal his servant (he probably wasn't a Jew). In other words those who were NOT Jews at the time knew that Jesus didn't come for their needs they just out of faith hoped he would help them (and he did). I often wonder how many Gentiles were turned away from Jesus by him and/or his followers/apostles etc.... I bet there were a lot of them. We don't see Jesus leaving Israel at all in his ministry for those who equate his words are for non Jews... I wouldn't count on it by default. Too many people do not read the 4 Gospels through Jewish glasses which is how they are meant to be read and even parts of James and other writings of others in the New Testament were addressed to Jews, not Gentiles.
The difference between a Jew pre-cross and a Gentile post-cross is very dramatic and we have people here downplaying them to the point of saying they are "the same" which isn't anywhere near the truth. Before the cross and before Paul was sent the Jews didn't want anything to do with Gentile believers who weren't interested in becoming a Jew themselves. They still had "the Law" mindset and even Peter couldn't completely fathom Paul's gospel of Grace as his mind was still stuck in a cloud of legalism but over time he came to accept that Paul was right in his words.
 
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No, it is not coming. No, it will not and is not happening. No, the Bible doesn't say so. No, God is not wrong, you and Ms White are.
Ok. What will be your response when the Pope calls for it? I will wait. The Pope will speak to both houses of congress shortly.
 
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Ms. White was clueless as to the end times not reading into the Bible about the falling away bit and not logically thinking that only people who consider Sunday as important is Christians and Christianity has taken such a beating now that it is becoming very unpopular such that if they did try and pass Sunday Laws anywhere in the world it would go nowhere. There is a growing hatred for Holiness found in the Bible and Jesus has become more and more a bad word in its reality.
You are not following bible prophecy. When it happens will you still be saying the same things? What will you do?
 
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I agree. The world is moving quickly away from any such thing, not closer to it. I have said it before, but many seem to be ignorant of America's own history and the "blue laws" that used to be the law of the day here. To think society is moving back towards that is to be totally out of touch with reality.
America for over 200 years would have nothing to do with the Pope now she is "wondering after the beast". Even government leaders are seeking the Pope. I tell you again it is happening. When we are proofed correct what will you say?
 
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America for over 200 years would have nothing to do with the Pope now she is "wondering after the beast". Even government leaders are seeking the Pope. I tell you again it is happening. When we are proofed correct what will you say?

Like I said, out of touch with reality.......
 
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The Catholic Church Catechism (CCC) does call for observance of Sunday to replace the Sabbath. (don't partial quote me) SDA tend to ignore the fact that the CCC spells out in an article that Sabbath is Saturday and in another article that Sunday is not the Sabbath.
This is correct. The Catholic church does considers Sunday to be the Lord's Day, NOT the Sabbath. As a Hebrew Catholic, I both keep the Sabbath holy, and observe the solemnity of the Lord's day. I don't consider either one to be a burden.
 
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Assembling on the Sabbath isn't keeping it, there is no record in the Law itself one must assemble on the Sabbath in the command to keep it.
This is true. The essence of the Shabbat is not that it is a day of worship (Jews worshipped and offered sacrificed 7 days a week) but that it was a day of rest. One can keep the Sabbath holy without attending any religious service at all.
 
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Unless the moral law is ABOUT time.
If one has to repeat the same action at the same time and not ALL THE TIME then it is a ceremony.
Look up the definition of ceremony, it sure equates Sabbath Keeping big time.
 
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I ask this question in light of the fact that Sabbath is looked at as a burden by some, because of the restrictions including no work.
As Jesus pointed out sometimes people have to work on the Sabbath. I think we should do what we can not to cause others to have to work. I try not to shop on Sundays. It is a day of rest but I see no problem to tidy up around the house, sometimes that is a part of needing to rest and catch up.
 
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If one has to repeat the same action at the same time and not ALL THE TIME then it is a ceremony.
Look up the definition of ceremony, it sure equates Sabbath Keeping big time.
You are simply mistaken. If the law is about time, it may still be a moral law.
 
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